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I do.
People can call me a ninja-looter all they want, but the game allows all party members to roll on loot. You wanted that <insert uber item here>? Offer to buy it or trade something I might want.
If I'm going to spend 4 hours hitting the same set of keys over and over to kill a raid boss, I'm going to roll on everything that drops.
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No. I'm not an asshole though.
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If you need on shit you don't need and you know other classes in the group wants ( especially if its your guild) then you're a baddie.
Working against your faction = you're a stupid noob and not a team player.
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How does utilizing the game's loot distribution system the way it is designed make anyone an asshole?
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If you need on shit you don't need and you know other classes in the group wants ( especially if its your guild) then you're a baddie.
Working against your faction = you're a stupid noob and not a team player.
You don't know how to offer a trade?
Offer to buy?
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I do not because I'm not an asshole.
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you're missing the point.
all group members contributed to clearing bosses/dungeons. Not everyone has something to trade you want. By taking something THEY NEED( which in turn will make it easier and faster to run the dungeon since we'll be more geared) you're working against your guild and your realm.
You're going to make shit go slower by sabotaging the people who most likely contributed more than you did
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I do.
People can call me a ninja-looter all they want, but the game allows all party members to roll on loot. You wanted that <insert uber item here>? Offer to buy it or trade something I might want.
If I'm going to spend 4 hours hitting the same set of keys over and over to kill a raid boss, I'm going to roll on everything that drops.
This was a major benefit of DAOC realms and the early days when it was damned difficult to level up, or hop servers... if you did this once with any major guild, they were in the alliance, and you were blacklisted from pretty much anything good after that. You simply wouldn't get grouped and you'd die trying to tag along, for lack of healing. I watched this happen to several douchebags who deserved it.
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If you're with friends, you don't even roll, you just pass the stuff out. In PUGs you might be tempted to roll on everything, but do this next time you win an item in a PUG that somebody else could use more. Let them buy it from you for a reasonable price and share the money with the rest of the PUG. Everybody wins and you get big leadership points. You'd be amazed at how much more fun playing MMOs becomes when everyone knows you and wants to be in your group. This is how you get there.
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tenkly posted:
you're missing the point.
all group members contributed to clearing bosses/dungeons. Not everyone has something to trade you want. By taking something THEY NEED( which in turn will make it easier and faster to run the dungeon since we'll be more geared) you're working against your guild and your realm.
You're going to make shit go slower by sabotaging the people who most likely contributed more than you did
Seems like a bit of a contradiction.
If we all contributed, how can any one person rolling on loot be a saboteur?
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If it's possible I do it, because appropriate behavior is based on what we can do, not what we should do.
Uhm no.
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No and if you did that I would blacklist you and make sure you never took part in another raid I was on, ever.
Your argument about pushing buttons for 4 hours is stupid. So does everyone else. Do you think they should all be rolling on the piece of gear only you can use too? If so, make sure everyone understands the raid rules up front. Because I can guarantee you 90% of other players are not assholes and will not roll on gear only you can use.
Standard raid rules on every raid I ahve ever been on is that only roll on shit that would be an upgrade for you. If you want to chagne the standard raid rules make sure everyone understands and consents up front or don't be surprised when you get blacklisted.
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I guess I'm the only one who thinks the raid/loot system is stupid to its core.
I know, lets all get together and do some shared work and when we are done we'll gamble on who gets all or most of the pay!
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That's how it works regardless. If everyone rolls on everything, even shit they can't use, that's functionally no different than people only rolling on shit tehy can use in terms of the distributive impact.
Most modern MMOs have raid bosses drop tokens along with loot, so that everyone gets SOMETHING. But the loot lottery is a part of every MMO and you're not doing anyone any favors by trying to change the rules so that you get 20x as many rolls, mainly by people who can't even use the item.
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No and if you did that I would blacklist you and make sure you never took part in another raid I was on, ever.
Your argument about pushing buttons for 4 hours is stupid. So does everyone else. Do you think they should all be rolling on the piece of gear only you can use too? If so, make sure everyone understands the raid rules up front. Because I can guarantee you 90% of other players are not assholes and will not roll on gear only you can use.
Standard raid rules on every raid I ahve ever been on is that only roll on shit that would be an upgrade for you. If you want to chagne the standard raid rules make sure everyone understands and consents up front or don't be surprised when you get blacklisted.
Yes, yes I do.
Why?
Because that's how the game is designed...
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No it isn't. There's a reason there's "need" and "greed" buttons in every modern MMO.
Wow's raid finder function actually takes it to a new level and doesn't even let people roll because morons like you were griefing people.
In fact, most raids these days have the raid leader use master looter to avoid people like you screwing things up in the first place.
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
tenkly posted:
you're missing the point.
all group members contributed to clearing bosses/dungeons. Not everyone has something to trade you want. By taking something THEY NEED( which in turn will make it easier and faster to run the dungeon since we'll be more geared) you're working against your guild and your realm.
You're going to make shit go slower by sabotaging the people who most likely contributed more than you did
Seems like a bit of a contradiction.
If we all contributed, how can any one person rolling on loot be a saboteur?
it's TEAM effort, and you want YOUR team to be as strong as possible. Taking away an item that makes them stronger, so you can sell it to another person in another guild is retarded.
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I actually don't even play mmo's anymore.
Though, I do still think raid rules (especially the player-made rules) are stupid.
It's pretty frustrating to spend several hours on a raid in an alliance party (or w/e your game calls multiple party alliances) consisting of several hundred players and seeing the same handful of people getting the drops each time.
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It's been years since I last played any MMO, but yes, when I raided I rolled on all loot drops.
I played a Hunter and had to keep up appearances after all. 
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Depends who I ran the raid with. Back in the Outposter guild in WoW I didn't at all, but I'd do it on random PuG's for items that I could give to someone else (maybe)
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No, I pass on items if i even suspect another person can use it. Of course we all make the occasional mistake.
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No it isn't. There's a reason there's "need" and "greed" buttons in every modern MMO.
Wow's raid finder function actually takes it to a new level and doesn't even let people roll because morons like you were griefing people.
In fact, most raids these days have the raid leader use master looter to avoid people like you screwing things up in the first place.
I fail to see how rolling on loot can be considered griefing.
You seem a little butt-hurt about all this.
Maybe you should stick to guild-exclusive raids.
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I can't remember the last time I was on an actual raid, or what we were raiding. It was probably in EQ, to give you an idea of how long it's been.
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I say do what you want because its your money and your game. They dont have to like it and who cares if they dont? Your there for fun. Why do people always feel the need to cater to the rest of the player populace? I mean if a guildy needed it thats one thing. The rest, pfft. Who cares. Kinda would depend on how I'm feeling. If people are jerks I'm rolling just for spite. If they are being cool then I will too. But depends on how I'm feeling.
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Most guilds would drop you from raids if you did that anyhow, so I'm not sure if he's trolling or just had some really bad guilds.
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People should just have 1 toon that is guildless and use him to acquire gear for the toons in a guild. Just make sure no one knows that its yours. Its always a good thing to have a couple toons be UFOs.
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
You seem a little butt-hurt about all this.
No, just being honest. Games like wow have had to change the way loot gets distributed significantly to try to weed out idiots who roll need on everything.
Game developers clearly do not agree with you that their games are set up for everyone to roll on everything.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Sgian_Dubh posted:
You seem a little butt-hurt about all this.
No, just being honest. Games like wow have had to change the way loot gets distributed significantly to try to weed out idiots who roll need on everything.
Game developers clearly do not agree with you that their games are set up for everyone to roll on everything.
So, you honestly believe it is fair that only a handful of people should be rewarded for the efforts of an entire group?
Check that. You believe that only a handful of people should even be allowed the opportunity of a reward for the effort of an entire group?
So, you wouldn't be opposed to the prevention of duplicated loot acquisition by the same account?
I mean, since we're talking "need" here, there is no reason one person should be allowed to acquire the same raid loot drop more than once (per account), given the absurd rarity of it and difficulty in obtaining it (read: requires group effort), right?
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Of course I don't. Why would you? It is a game.
If pixels are that important to you that you have to roll on every drop, perhaps gaming is a bit too much for you.
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I'm fine rolling with either philosophy, but I have NEVER enjoyed nor really gotten into raiding. The one raiding guild I rolled with basically just drug me along after all the nuts guys had everything anyway, so nobody else really needed anything. But as long as the rules are agreed to up front and there is a game mechanism for trading all the gear that drops I'd be fine with either roll on everything or roll to wear.
I will say that if I was designing the best system it would be roll on everything. Because many people abuse the roll to wear or roll to be polite/team player.
I guarantee you someone you thought wasn't abusing it was abusing it that you rolled with.
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I'm fine rolling with either philosophy, but I have NEVER enjoyed nor really gotten into raiding. The one raiding guild I rolled with basically just drug me along after all the nuts guys had everything anyway, so nobody else really needed anything. But as long as the rules are agreed to up front and there is a game mechanism for trading all the gear that drops I'd be fine with either roll on everything or roll to wear.
I will say that if I was designing the best system it would be roll on everything. Because many people abuse the roll to wear or roll to be polite/team player.
I guarantee you someone you thought wasn't abusing it was abusing it that you rolled with.
This is right along the line of what I'm pointing out here.
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No. I'm not an asshole though.
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when I played MMO's that had this type of loot system.. I rolled need on stuff I needed, greed on stuff I didn't
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I've never really played any of those MMOs. Only time I've even seen need/greed is on a WoW free trial. Everyone else was in heirloom gear, so I won every roll.
A treasurer and an end distribution is far superior. Everyone gets something, and nobody gets a disproportionate share of the best drops.
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No because that's selfish, there are rules to how you should use the games loot distribution system that will make everyone happy.
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