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is it good for playing largely solo? is there an Outpost server?
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It is a single player game with moments of group play.
Most of the outpost is spread across multiple servers it seems.
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Good for a couple months, then you'l dump it. Doesn't have any kind of lasting appeal like wow.
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AWESOME
at the very least i want to play an Empire toon and a Republic toon to max for the stories. surely that is 6 months of gameplay
polished, immersive, and fun. what more do you want?
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Casuals might take about 1.5-2 months to 50.
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that sounds good to me, i'm ultra casual these days.
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My son and I got it for christmas. Great game as far as I can tell. About what you'd expect I think.
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Yesterday , I started my Datacron missions. There is lots of jumping and problem solving. I think this game has a lot of room to grow (e.g. fix bugs and add content) and it will be entertaining for at least 3 to 6 months for me, as is. I like the stories. My class narrative was especially fun on Tatooine. I'm a smuggler. I wont give spoilers. I like having an encyclopedic guild I can consult on Mumbles with questions, in game. It makes all the difference in the world.
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It's a Bioware game first mmo second.
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Yeah. It's got some good story to it but a lot of things aren't done well. Pvp at it's core, is ok but the warzones and illum are badly implemented.
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It's about what you expect. The gameplay itself is nothing special, but the single player leveling experience is better than in other mmos because of the story elements. Although the stories are pretty hit and miss. I've heard from everyone the jedi consular story is omgwtfbad, but my imperial agent story is pretty decent.
A lot of their effort clearly went into making the game solo-friendly, to the point where the group content often feels tacked on. I do not see much lasting appeal at this point, but who knows, maybe they'll figure something out.
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Elocism posted:
AWESOME
at the very least i want to play an Empire toon and a Republic toon to max for the stories. surely that is 6 months of gameplay
polished, immersive, and fun. what more do you want?
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SirGarth posted:
is it good for playing largely solo? is there an Outpost server?
As everyone said this is mostly a Solo game anyway.It looks like we here are on a bunch of servers. You should be in OTG by now anyway.
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I just grouped with Jedi Knight female named Bonk. It was freaky.
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Why play an MMO solo?
Stupid players. 
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Clackdor posted:
Why play an MMO solo?
Stupid players.
Mainly because there are only a few heroic instances per planet where a group is needed. One can also wait a couple levels and go back and solo them, though the loot will be probably meaningless by then. Unless you are PvPing or plan on elite raiding the gear you just get for normal quests is fine for PvE. At least to the high 20s where I am.
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Clackdor posted:
Why play an MMO solo?
Stupid players.
It is clearly what is wanted when you look at the market these days.
Most people don't want to spend an hour finding a group then several more hours with that group to make substantial progress. They want to be able to level to 50 without ever interacting with another player if they feel like it.
TOR actually does refuse to do some things wow does in the name of community. No cross server queues, no dungeon finder. The rationale being that both of those destroy any sense of community or interaction with the people you group with.
But I agree it is a somewhat odd choice to make an MMO and then devote what appears to be the vast majority of your development resources to single-player content.
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It is clearly what is wanted when you look at the market these days.
Most people don't want to spend an hour finding a group then several more hours with that group to make substantial progress. They want to be able to level to 50 without ever interacting with another player if they feel like it.
TOR actually does refuse to do some things wow does in the name of community. No cross server queues, no dungeon finder. The rationale being that both of those destroy any sense of community or interaction with the people you group with.
But I agree it is a somewhat odd choice to make an MMO and then devote what appears to be the vast majority of your development resources to single-player content.
~ $15 a month from a few million people every month isn't that odd, is it?
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Well of course it's smart business. If people are really willing to stay subscribed.
I suspect what will happen is that unless they change gears pretty dramatically most of those single-player people will stop subbing in a month or two. It'll still be more cash than they'd get from releasing it as a single player game, though, so I guess it's smart business.
Just like it's smart business to milk the same people for a $150 collectors edition.
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TOR is the WoW killer
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Elocism posted:
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TOR is the WoW killer
Actually I thought about it, and this could be a long term contender if they start spitting out some raid/high level content pretty quickly. I don't think it will supplant wow, but it could be competition for sure.
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Clackdor posted:
Why play an MMO solo?
Stupid players.
fair question - i think i just like the feel of a virtual world with other players, and like the flexibility to be able to play with others if/when i feel like it - but don't want to have to be dependent on it to make progress in what limited time i have for gaming nowadays.
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Forced grouping is what makes MMOs great. If you are looking for awesome single player content, then play single player games.
I have found myself so turned off by the lack of community in the latest round of games. DAOC was the last and best game that had a good sense of community. WAR had similar, but it was only because I hooked up with a bunch of people I knew from DAOC.
Rift had a potential for community with all the grouping required for Rift events, but it never manifested.
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/shrug - to each their own 
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Clackdor posted:
Forced grouping is what makes MMOs great.
that is just stupid
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speaking of which, TOR separating the stats from the gear in the form of stats simply being modifications that can be interchanged may just be my favorite part of the game
i just got a sweet looking chestpiece that i could potentially wear the entirety of my toons life 
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These story lines are compelling. Last night I played until 3 am. I had to see how things turn out with a Sith Inquisitor (Assassin) I rolled. You really cant go Sith and Light side. It just doesn't fit. However, my conception of the Dark side is more than just taking the obvious selfish choice. There is a real dark side, some of the game designers could tap into , if they knew what it was.
This game take a computer with resources, though. If you cannot play, then enjoy what you can play. It is expensive chasing technology. I had to buy my youngest son a new laptop. I bought him a new one two years ago. So, I guess it was time. He is a college student. I tried to explain work-life balance. we all need to learn this lesson.
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Elocism posted:
speaking of which, TOR separating the stats from the gear in the form of stats simply being modifications that can be interchanged may just be my favorite part of the game
i just got a sweet looking chestpiece that i could potentially wear the entirety of my toons life
orrr they could just have a wardrobe system like LOTRO or EQ2 or even WOW now.
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Modeeb posted:
This game take a computer with resources, though.
This is one of the most annoying things about the game. The graphics are NOT advanced at all, but it still runs like crap and takes forever to load stuff even on a fast PC.
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Modeeb posted:
I tried to explain work-life balance. we all need to learn this lesson.
This is america, not some euroweenie nany-state.
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Getting into higher levels, the game does suffer from an overabundance to skills which seems to plague most MMOs. Is it really all that interesting to have the choices of 30+ skills slotted on your bars?
I guess part of it is due to the advanced class system so you have some abilities which are really meant more for the other AC choice.
Then another bunch seems to come from wanting the 3 skills trees to feel unique. Skill tree 1 focuses on buffing attacks A, B, and C while skill tree 2 focuses on buffing attacks D, E, and F.
It all seems to get a bit excessive. 
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