Brother_Tempus posted:

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Dr. Paul won the drawing that put's his name 1st on the Virginia ballot

http://wusa9.com/news/article/181635/373/Drawing-Puts-Ron-Paul-First-On-Va-GOP-Primary-Ballot-

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Brother_Tempus posted:

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Dr. (OF OBSTETRICS) Paul won the drawing that put's his name 1st on the Virginia ballot

http://wusa9.com/news/article/181635/373/Drawing-Puts-Ron-Paul-First-On-Va-GOP-Primary-Ballot-

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-Mithan- posted:

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Paul wont win.  The regular GOP will never support him because he isn't for starting wars (which fund the defence industry), couldn't care less about the religunuts, etc, etc.  Joe American wont vote for him because at the end of the day, anybody going around saying they want to do what Ron Paul wants to do, wont get elected.  I am not saying his ideas are bad, just that Joe American will be like "WTF" when he first hears about Paul wanting to eliminate the Department of Education or whatever.Either way, Obama is going to win in 2012.

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Walker_ID posted:

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-Mithan- posted:

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Paul wont win.  The regular GOP will never support him because he isn't for starting wars (which fund the defence industry), couldn't care less about the religunuts, etc, etc.  Joe American wont vote for him because at the end of the day, anybody going around saying they want to do what Ron Paul wants to do, wont get elected.  I am not saying his ideas are bad, just that Joe American will be like "WTF" when he first hears about Paul wanting to eliminate the Department of Education or whatever.Either way, Obama is going to win in 2012.

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I live in Ohio...and everyone I've spoken to on the matter that has any care for politics likes just about everything Paul is saying....the exception of course being the religious nutjobs that dominate cincinnati

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phise posted:

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Walker_ID posted:

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-Mithan- posted:

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Paul wont win.  The regular GOP will never support him because he isn't for starting wars (which fund the defence industry), couldn't care less about the religunuts, etc, etc.  Joe American wont vote for him because at the end of the day, anybody going around saying they want to do what Ron Paul wants to do, wont get elected.  I am not saying his ideas are bad, just that Joe American will be like "WTF" when he first hears about Paul wanting to eliminate the Department of Education or whatever.Either way, Obama is going to win in 2012.

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I live in Ohio...and everyone I've spoken to on the matter that has any care for politics likes just about everything Paul is saying....the exception of course being the religious nutjobs that dominate cincinnati

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That's odd, most of the religious people I speak with are vehement supporters of Paul and his message of liberty..

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-Mithan- posted:

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Paul wont win.  The regular GOP will never support him because he isn't for starting wars (which fund the defence industry),

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Arc_DT posted:

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I think the bigger issues for most republicans are wedge issues, or social conservatism: gay marriage, abortion, and the ilk. I don't see Paul staking out the positions that will cause the social conservatives to flock to him, but if his opposition is Romney, he's breaking even or might in fact have a very slight edge. On fiscal policy, he's definitely their man.

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Cuttlery posted:

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If Paul runs as a third party Obama wins by even more, not that it would matter much if he was running against Romney anyways since Romney is basically white Obama.

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BritonGuy posted:

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Cuttlery posted:

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If Paul runs as a third party Obama wins by even more, not that it would matter much if he was running against Romney anyways since Romney is basically white Obama.

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How many elections are you going to support the establishment while acting like you're against it? Negativity isn't pragmatism.

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HeartView posted:

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Cuttlery posted:

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BritonGuy posted:

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Cuttlery posted:

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If Paul runs as a third party Obama wins by even more, not that it would matter much if he was running against Romney anyways since Romney is basically white Obama.

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How many elections are you going to support the establishment while acting like you're against it? Negativity isn't pragmatism.

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Ron Paul is part of the establishment. He's been a paid government leech for 40 years and has actually done nothing to prove he isnt part of the establishment.

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BritonGuy posted:

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You wouldn't be so afraid of his potential to change things up if he was a part of the establishment.

So is he the same or is he different? Can't have both Captain Negative.

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Cuttlery posted:

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BritonGuy posted:

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You wouldn't be so afraid of his potential to change things up if he was a part of the establishment.

So is he the same or is he different? Can't have both Captain Negative.

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Where have I said he's different? He is a neo con, same as any other neo con. He believes in big government and big spending, same as any other neo con. He says he is different, the reality is he is not, he has DONE nothing to actually show he is different.

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Cuttlery posted:

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BritonGuy posted:

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You wouldn't be so afraid of his potential to change things up if he was a part of the establishment.

So is he the same or is he different? Can't have both Captain Negative.

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Where have I said he's different? He is a neo con, same as any other neo con. He believes in big government and big spending, same as any other neo con. He says he is different, the reality is he is not, he has DONE nothing to actually show he is different.

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Ex-remlocke posted:

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Cuttlery posted:

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BritonGuy posted:

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You wouldn't be so afraid of his potential to change things up if he was a part of the establishment.

So is he the same or is he different? Can't have both Captain Negative.

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Where have I said he's different? He is a neo con, same as any other neo con. He believes in big government and big spending, same as any other neo con. He says he is different, the reality is he is not, he has DONE nothing to actually show he is different.

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What? I don't even..

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Cuttlery posted:

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I am still waiting for someone to show me what Ron Paul has done what he says he is going to do. I see he writes more spending riders into bills than any one else (big deficit spender) I see that he writes more pork/ear marks than anyone else. I see that he writes things into bills everyone on earth knows are going to pass and then votes against them so he can tell the dumb "see I voted against this" (even though I wrote a hundred million dollars worth of government waste into this bill that will go to my district). I hear him say a LOT, I see him DO what any other neo con big government big deficit spending neo con would do.

He has championed NO changes, he has TALKED a lot, DONE nothing but flow with the establishement. When Ron Paul DOES something (and actually sticks to what he says he believes in instead of doing the exact opposite) get back to me.

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Ex-remlocke posted:

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Cuttlery posted:

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I am still waiting for someone to show me what Ron Paul has done what he says he is going to do. I see he writes more spending riders into bills than any one else (big deficit spender) I see that he writes more pork/ear marks than anyone else. I see that he writes things into bills everyone on earth knows are going to pass and then votes against them so he can tell the dumb "see I voted against this" (even though I wrote a hundred million dollars worth of government waste into this bill that will go to my district). I hear him say a LOT, I see him DO what any other neo con big government big deficit spending neo con would do.

He has championed NO changes, he has TALKED a lot, DONE nothing but flow with the establishement. When Ron Paul DOES something (and actually sticks to what he says he believes in instead of doing the exact opposite) get back to me.

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Do you have ANY sources for that crap you just spewed?

I tried looking up the Congressmen with the worst record of attaching ear marks and I found nothing that suggests Paul is the worst, he wasn't even in the top-10.


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/11/19/the-lawmakers-who-sponsor-the-most-earmarks-here-are-the-top-10-senators-and-top-10-representatives-who -get-the-most-cash-for-their-states

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Cuttlery posted:

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I am still waiting for someone to show me what Ron Paul has done what he says he is going to do. I see he writes more spending riders into bills than any one else (big deficit spender) I see that he writes more pork/ear marks than anyone else. I see that he writes things into bills everyone on earth knows are going to pass and then votes against them so he can tell the dumb "see I voted against this" (even though I wrote a hundred million dollars worth of government waste into this bill that will go to my district). I hear him say a LOT, I see him DO what any other neo con big government big deficit spending neo con would do.

He has championed NO changes, he has TALKED a lot, DONE nothing but flow with the establishement. When Ron Paul DOES something (and actually sticks to what he says he believes in instead of doing the exact opposite) get back to me.

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-Accident- posted:

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HeartView posted:

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whose hand is that under the table with the dove?

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Cuttlery posted:

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Ex-remlocke posted:

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Cuttlery posted:

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I am still waiting for someone to show me what Ron Paul has done what he says he is going to do. I see he writes more spending riders into bills than any one else (big deficit spender) I see that he writes more pork/ear marks than anyone else. I see that he writes things into bills everyone on earth knows are going to pass and then votes against them so he can tell the dumb "see I voted against this" (even though I wrote a hundred million dollars worth of government waste into this bill that will go to my district). I hear him say a LOT, I see him DO what any other neo con big government big deficit spending neo con would do.

He has championed NO changes, he has TALKED a lot, DONE nothing but flow with the establishement. When Ron Paul DOES something (and actually sticks to what he says he believes in instead of doing the exact opposite) get back to me.

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Do you have ANY sources for that crap you just spewed?

I tried looking up the Congressmen with the worst record of attaching ear marks and I found nothing that suggests Paul is the worst, he wasn't even in the top-10.


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/11/19/the-lawmakers-who-sponsor-the-most-earmarks-here-are-the-top-10-senators-and-top-10-representatives-who -get-the-most-cash-for-their-states

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So wait... you arent even aware Paul is doing this stuff??

Please god and baby jesus tell me you dont know Paul is doing this stuff.

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Ex-remlocke posted:

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Honestly no, earmarks aren't very high on the list considering they are minuscule portion of our total Federal budget (16 billion in 2010). My priorities lie with making sure our Civil Liberties aren't completely annihilated like Obama and the rest of the GOP keep trying to do, and for that reason I support Paul. I acknowledge that maybe it's a little hypocritical of Paul to be doing this, but there are several other issues where I disagree with him as well, it's just that I disagree with the establishment politicians a lot more.

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AkagiyamaMissile posted:

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-Accident- posted:

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HeartView posted:

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whose hand is that under the table with the dove?

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-Accident- posted:

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AkagiyamaMissile posted:

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-Accident- posted:

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[quote=HeartView]

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whose hand is that under the table with the dove?

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Wulfgarr posted:

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Paul may win Iowa but it in no way makes him a serious candidate.

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BritonGuy posted:

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Wulfgarr posted:

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Paul may win Iowa but it in no way makes him a serious candidate.

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Can you honestly say Gingrich or Romney would make for better presidents than Ron Paul? Or another term of Obama for that matter?

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BritonGuy posted:

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Can you honestly say Gingrich or Romney would make for better presidents than Ron Paul? Or another term of Obama for that matter?

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BritonGuy posted:

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But you have to admit Paul would make a better president than the other three.

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Cuttlery posted:

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BritonGuy posted:

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But you have to admit Paul would make a better president than the other three.

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Why? He is essentially the same candidate. Believes in big government, believes in huge spending. I see little difference in any of the three of them. They all say different things, they all do the same stuff though when it comes down to it.

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notmforce2k posted:

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Right. Campaigns on smaller Government, or ideally no Government. As long as he is in charge of it.


lulwut?

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Arc_DT posted:

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-Mithan- posted:

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Paul wont win. The regular GOP will never support him because he isn't for starting wars (which fund the defence industry),

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This describes the GOP leadership, but I don't think it describes the rank and file. They might find Paul's position on Iran in particular a bit worrisome, but I think overall that the rank and file republican isn't keen on "policing the world" and starting wars every time someone looks at us funny. They're dumb enough to be cowed into not supporting getting OUT of anything, but Obama has taken care of that for the next president, and we'll all be happy to not be shooting at everything that moves.


I think the bigger issues for most republicans are wedge issues, or social conservatism: gay marriage, abortion, and the ilk. I don't see Paul staking out the positions that will cause the social conservatives to flock to him, but if his opposition is Romney, he's breaking even or might in fact have a very slight edge. On fiscal policy, he's definitely their man.

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Cuttlery posted:

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Where have I said he's different?  He is a neo con, same as any other neo con.  He believes in big government and big spending, same as any other neo con.  He says he is different, the reality is he is not, he has DONE nothing to actually show he is different.

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Wulfgarr posted:

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Paul may win Iowa but it in no way makes him a serious candidate.

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