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Ron Paul Speech To National Organization For The Reform Of Marijuana Laws Or NORML (1988)
http://youtu.be/44KifdsrMu4 (2:46)
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I will take that and raise you +1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtL3NIcAvU
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A politician speaking out of both sides of his mouth????
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Quiet down child. The grown ups are having a conversation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU
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I'm not sure what this is supposed to refute. I don't know anyone who thinks Paul is actually a racist. The newsletter isn't damaging because people believe he really thinks that stuff. It's damaging because it shows he puts his name on all sorts of crap without bothering to check it and he attracts tons of crazy idiots and apparently lets them do stuff in his name without supervision.
It isn't that big a deal but by continuing to miss the point and rabidly defending what is not really defensible you just make it worse and more damning.
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Quiet down child. The grown ups are having a conversation.
I think it's also hillarious that Ron Paul zombies think "having a conversation" means "listening to Ron Paul talk."
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The fact that you think Aer is a grownup shows just how long you've been away, Des.
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I know, where the hell is Bordan?
2Pac and Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HOslWVxGgI
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I'm not sure what this is supposed to refute. I don't know anyone who thinks Paul is actually a racist. The newsletter isn't damaging because people believe he really thinks that stuff. It's damaging because it shows he puts his name on all sorts of crap without bothering to check it and he attracts tons of crazy idiots and apparently lets them do stuff in his name without supervision.
It isn't that big a deal but by continuing to miss the point and rabidly defending what is not really defensible you just make it worse and more damning.
You keep trying to promote this argument but in truth it is empty. All anyone has to do is look at the many news sites that allow commentary. You see fringe comments get in all the time, it doesn't mean the news site endorses the comments, it just means that they have some latitude for even cooky fringe commentary.
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Aerlinthian... I wouldn't worry about arguing with these tools. They are most likely not going to be involved in the republican primary. That is the hard part, winning the republican primary. And trust me, charges of racism isn't going to hurt us in that primary. Once we get to the general election we will own warmongering and drug war Obama so hard it isn't even funny. Well actually it is funny.
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You keep trying to promote this argument but in truth it is empty. All anyone has to do is look at the many news sites that allow commentary. You see fringe comments get in all the time, it doesn't mean the news site endorses the comments, it just means that they have some latitude for even cooky fringe commentary.
Uh, it was a print newsletter. You're saying all these things were just in letters to the editor or something like that?
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Ron Paul wasn't an editor. He didn't edit the newsletters. Lew Rockwell was one of the editors.
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Right, but unless they were letters to the editor from random readers that analogy was retarded.
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Aerlinthian posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
I'm not sure what this is supposed to refute. I don't know anyone who thinks Paul is actually a racist. The newsletter isn't damaging because people believe he really thinks that stuff. It's damaging because it shows he puts his name on all sorts of crap without bothering to check it and he attracts tons of crazy idiots and apparently lets them do stuff in his name without supervision.
It isn't that big a deal but by continuing to miss the point and rabidly defending what is not really defensible you just make it worse and more damning.
You keep trying to promote this argument but in truth it is empty. All anyone has to do is look at the many news sites that allow commentary. You see fringe comments get in all the time, it doesn't mean the news site endorses the comments, it just means that they have some latitude for even cooky fringe commentary.
Comments on a news site are equivalent to a newsletter with his name on it?
lol
Nobody is holding Paul accountable for every comment made by his army of nutso's as your comparison would imply.
There are 3 possible lessons here: 1) Dr Paul is a racist, 2) Dr Paul is not racist but is happy to dive in and stir the pot to advance his political interests or 3) Dr Paul can not effectively control his staff of people.
Supporters can either accept one of these and support him in spite of this...or they can refuse to accept any of them and up the crazy with a silly comparison to internet comments.
If the Obama staff came out tomorrow and announced a new 'get whitey' plan and Obama shrugged it off and refused to do anything....shrugging it off since the internet news sites have crazy comments would be a bit stupid.
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If the Obama staff came out tomorrow and announced [whatever]...
TheRedKay1, remind me again, what was your position on Obama's AG Eric Holder and the Fast & Furious program?
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Its good to see you guys are getting involved in politics. Whats your plan for when Paul loses the republican nomination?
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Its good to see you guys are getting involved in politics. Whats your plan for when Paul loses the republican nomination?
Write him in I guess. Unless you have a better candidate to show off?
Please, please have a better candidate to show. 
Edit: Unfortunately, I already know you don't. I've seen the other options. 
4 more years!! 
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/shrug
I like Obama. If the economy turns around and we get Afghanistan up and running and can pull out, I'd say he'd be one of the best in my lifetime. I have my criticisms of course, but not nearly enough to throw away our countries future with another loony R.
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So then, if you feel Obama is so rosy (best in lifetime, what a xD!), how would you characterize Bush as a president? Because they're really not so far apart as far as policy is concerned.
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I have more criticisms for sure, but I supported him and am proud of the freedom his America represented.
My main objection to both presidencies are measures in the Patriot Act. I think we needed some of those provisions, but certainly not to the extent that they have the potential to reach.
Economically I feel duped as well. Job growth is stagnating and all I hear are excuses. Trickle down econ fails.
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Aerlinthian posted:
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If the Obama staff came out tomorrow and announced [whatever]...
Can we change the subject?
I guess so. 
Poorly executed program although one with reasonable hi-level intentions. Terrible results.
The takeaway is probably only that a plan like this probably shouldnt be repeated. I think they (the DoJ) learned that lesson, although its possible they did not and further action is needed.
Without extremely good knowledge of the processes involved and the entire chain of events in the decision making process, cant say if someone(s) should lose their job or be shifted into a different function.
Holder should be more forthcoming in an investigation designed to figure out what happened and to make sure these kind of results dont reoccur....but the congressional investigation that got all the press recently did not appear to be that kind of investigation.
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I have more criticisms for sure, but I supported him and am proud of the freedom his America represented.
Well, I guess if you represent one of the ~10% or so of Americans that feel we've been moving in the right direction, I can see how you wouldn't mind the same ol same ol.
For anybody else though, there aren't really any reasonable options, and only one decent option (Maybe two if you're counting Gary Johnson).
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Yeah, 90% of the country supports Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. 
How out of touch do you have to be?
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My bad, 20% atm, but it's been pretty consistently between 15-30% for more than a few years now I believe - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track
Also, you might reread what I said, because you're confused if you think I said the people who disapprove support either of the candidates I said.
...They probably should, mind you, but team sports is tough habit to break yourself of, apparently. Especially when at least half of them don't even pay any attention besides the occasional commercial. If that.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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Quiet down child. The grown ups are having a conversation.
I think it's also hillarious that Ron Paul zombies think "having a conversation" means "listening to Ron Paul talk."
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Congrats Aer! The vid you brought back up has now been shown on MSNBC! Is there an MSNBC DAOC nerd lurking here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d2_qDKFNZI
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Its good to see you guys are getting involved in politics. Whats your plan for when Paul loses the republican nomination?
i'm pretty sure it will involve blaming it on the Zionist Occupied ArgleBargle...
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