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My girlfriend has some people renting her other house. They always pay the rent on time, are very quiet and polite and respectful. Last night the house was broken into, and the neighbor, a grizzled Korean war vet, scared off the intruder with a shotgun. Police were called, the couple returned home. The police search the place to make sure there are no intruders in the house. They find 60 Marijuana plants. The couple have a medical marijuana grow license, for 30 plants. The cops seize 30 plants, and can do nothing further. What would you do if this were your house?
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beats me and congrats on the car
seems like a hell of a lot of style and quality for not all that much money
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Dear Dave,
I have ZERO advice to offer you but wow....30 plants being legal sounds like a lot. His electricity bill sounds expensive.
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That is a difficult choice. Having renters that pay on time and take good care of a place are generally an asset.
But these people certainly went outside the law by having twice as many plants as they were entitled to. How would it affect her insurance coverage if the house caught fire because of all the plants and/or electricity being used? The insurance company could probably find an out if anything happened to the house because of illegal activities going on there.
The cops are going to probably be "keeping" an eye on the place now. How are the neighbors going to feel about that kind of scrutiny?
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Im sure you realize it probably wasn't coincidence that their apartment was broken in to. Odds are its not going to be the last time.
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Yes, I have considered that the insurance cost may be increased based on increased risk. Also it is clear someone they knew was the culprit. The neighbors aren't paying the mortgage, so I am not too worried if they are unhappy. Another consideration is cleaning when they vacate, there is a strong smell in the house.
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do nothing....
p.s. the smell will dissipate with normal cleaning that is required by law when a tenant moves out(painting/carpet shampoo/etc) and opening the windows for a day
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Breaking the law - out you go.
Turning my house into a grow-op - out you go. (You've got mold issues already I'd bet.)
Doing something that's going to attract more break-ins - out you go.
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Breaking the law - out you go.
Turning my house into a grow-op - out you go. (You've got mold issues already I'd bet.)
Doing something that's going to attract more break-ins - out you go.
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I'd probably kick them out. Good tenants are nice, but not so rare that it's worth tying your house up in the drug trade. Too many potential headaches...
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Mold is probably the biggest concern here - and it's not cheap to get rid of.
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Breaking the law - out you go.
Turning my house into a grow-op - out you go. (You've got mold issues already I'd bet.)
Doing something that's going to attract more break-ins - out you go.
Yeah pretty much.
Also need to very carefully consider insurance/legal liabilities.
They may have renter's insurance to cover their belongings, but your girlfriend pays the insurance on the actual house structure. Insurance companies often call it a "fire policy" even though it covers more than just fire- but it's to signify that it's different from a full homeowner's policy that cover's your belongings too. The insurance company may have its own rules and stipulations about when they will and will not cover damage to the house. And now that your girlfriend knows about the situation, if she does nothing the insurance company may not do a damn thing if something further happens to the house.
There may also be rules about running a business out of your home that they are breaking (cities/municipalities sometimes regulate that).
And then there may be some kind of legality involving complicity. Might not be against state law to grow medical marijuana but it sure as hell is still against federal law. She could get in some serious serious trouble if she does nothing now that she knows about it.
Have her blame her insurance company, her lawyer, whoever, but tell them they need to skedaddle- 30 or 60 day notice, whatever the landlord/tenant law says.
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I'd count on insurance companies having something about using the premises for illegal activities absolving them from everything.
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Breaking the law - out you go.
Turning my house into a grow-op - out you go. (You've got mold issues already I'd bet.)
Doing something that's going to attract more break-ins - out you go.
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A couple of you have mentioned mold issues. Is there something specific to growing marijuana that would cause that? Just having houseplants wouldn't, no matter how many you have. My uncle is also a huge hydroponics hobbyist, grows tomatoes and cucumbers and even pumpkins hydroponically, and no mold issues.
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I would evict them if it's a nice house. If it's already trashed and they can't do any real damage, let them stay.
Growing pot seems like the kind of thing you run past your landlord, like a dog or putting in a pool. And I can't believe 30 plants is legal! That seems like a lot of dope. And as someone else already pointed out, they probably got robbed because they are selling it and were targeted by one of their customers. It will most likely be a continuing problem.
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Gaevren posted:
A couple of you have mentioned mold issues. Is there something specific to growing marijuana that would cause that? Just having houseplants wouldn't, no matter how many you have. My uncle is also a huge hydroponics hobbyist, grows tomatoes and cucumbers and even pumpkins hydroponically, and no mold issues.
There's typically a lot of humidity with growing that many pot plants. It's rarely confined to the grow room and the mold grows everywhere.
To fix it you end up gutting the house. I don't care how nice your tenants are, it can't possibly be worth it at that point.
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there's nothing stopping the feds from seizing the property as it was used in the commission of a felony
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Mold is probably the biggest concern here - and it's not cheap to get rid of.
This.
If not accounted for and dealt with it could really mess up the house. We are talking a serious financial impact here. Mold can be very invasive and it will be costly to to repair the house up to code standards. If it was me, i would make them move the grow outside into a green house or kick them out. The house is also a magnet for drug thieves now.
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Mold is probably the biggest concern here - and it's not cheap to get rid of.
also I'm hoping you have a lease agreement. I would imagine running any type of business out of a rental is a no no unless specifically stated as a commercial property.
sorry, they're gone. I wouldn't want someone turning my property into a grow house.
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they would be out
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Breaking the law - out you go.
Turning my house into a grow-op - out you go. (You've got mold issues already I'd bet.)
Doing something that's going to attract more break-ins - out you go.
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there's nothing stopping the feds from seizing the property as it was used in the commission of a felony
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I was actually going to quote you aon.
But you quoted yourself.
Anyways, while they're not likely to go after a house with only 30 plants, there is nothing saying that they can't.
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I'd want to kick them out, but it may not be that simple. All sorts of problems could arise if they want to get pissy about it. I think I would probably wait until the lease ran out and then just tell them I was not renewing it.
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They can seize the house. Whether or not they will who knows but that option is theirs. Also mold is a problem too. Finding good renters is hard to find but police raids and whatnot really isn't worth the trouble.
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Thanks for all the advice. Another thing we are considering is moving into that house and renting out the house we currently live in. The other house is smaller, and not as nice, but it is closer to work.
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STFU and ask for a cut, money makes the headaches go away.
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Too much risk to keep them, also when you start looking for new renters, there is a website that my Mom uses to check out what previous landlords say about a tennant, which has helped her weed out the worst of them... I can't remember the name of it, but I'm sure you could find it with google.
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Since its not 100% legal, doing it in a rented house is insane.
The mold comment is BS.
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well... mold CAN be tested for and if hes already been growing in there, if its going on its going on now.
as a landlord you do have rights too, you have an INVESTMENT PROPERTY... that means you expect a return on it and you have the right to protect the investment. have the unit checked for mold, its not like the TENANT can refuse if you give them fair warning that you will be doing so.
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A full bag of buds once a month would cover any concerns I might have. 
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there's nothing stopping the feds from seizing the property as it was used in the commission of a felony
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My girlfriend has some people renting her other house. They always pay the rent on time, are very quiet and polite and respectful. Last night the house was broken into, and the neighbor, a grizzled Korean war vet, scared off the intruder with a shotgun. Police were called, the couple returned home. The police search the place to make sure there are no intruders in the house. They find 60 Marijuana plants. The couple have a medical marijuana grow license, for 30 plants. The cops seize 30 plants, and can do nothing further. What would you do if this were your house? P.S. I bought a 2010 blue Hyundai Elantra today.
As long as they are not white trash losers and respect the place, I would keep them, however I would make sure they keep to their legal allotment and are very careful with not blowing power circuits. Â Check your insurance coverage as well as there is a higher risk of fire with that might power in use.
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I'd give them the choice of relocating their "business" to someplace other than the house or being asked to leave.
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I think this calls for a lawyer. They are qualified to give the best advise. I bet the break in was due to some certain people knowing about the grow operation. And now there is legal record of them growing both legal and illegal pot. I have rented houses out to poeple off and on since 1987. I would not trust the advise of non educated lawyers on a message board.
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And a quick question did her lease with them cover the topic of how renting the house would not be for any illegal purposes? If needed I can supply a file with my rental agreement. She could use it as is or modify it for herself.
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imo if i was the landlord i would evict them due to breaking the law and having more plants then they are legally entitled to. also did the lease have a clause preventing firearms?
they seem more of a liablitly then an asset at this stage
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I guess if they were not arrested I wouldn't have a problem with giving them another chance. But that is it, anything else happens they are out.
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We asked them to vacate by Jan 30th. They agreed.
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Good Luck finding new tenants.
At least with the prior tenants you knew they were always gonna pay the rent on time.
I view it like this, Legal = Ok, Illegal = not Ok.
If all they had was the 30, they didnt break the law, why should you kick them out?
I guess on the app you need to put a disclaimer *can't turn into a grow house"
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