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I got a new mobo for Christmas - Asus Sabertooth 990FX - and was curious if I could just delete my old mobo's chipset drivers in order to get this one to boot correctly. Old mobo is an Asus M3N78-PRO AM2.
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wat?
The motherboard should boot correctly. Windows just might have trouble.
Reinstalling windows is easy so I've never tried to change mother boards and not reinstalled. I'm sure it can be done though.
You wouldn't need to delete the drivers. it will know you don't still have that chipset.
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Shouldn't need to worry about deleting the drivers at all, unless you really want to. It shouldn't use those at all anyhoo. If Windows sees a new mobo I think all it does is check to see if there's new components and it might load up generic ones until it finds something better (I don't even know if it does that. Do motherboards even have drivers themselves, I thought it was only components? I guess it might install stuff for USB 3.0 and RAID controllers but those are still separate and should be picked up just like any new hardware I would think...)
That's the best I have =\
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Just try it you puss.
Worse case you might have to repair your installation. Stop being such a coward.
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I spoke to my friend and he recommended a fresh install. He did say that deleting chipset drivers, etc for the old motherboard could work but did not recommend it.
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Your friend sounds like a moron. He's right about a fresh install though. I don't mind doing them at all, and with the media suites these days it's easy to move your crap off first.
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Just try it you puss.
Worse case you might have to repair your installation. Stop being such a coward.
I have, the issue was it does a quick BSOD and restarts. Everything works fine, Windows just won't boot.
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I haven't tried with Windows 7, but with XP I've always had issues when I changed motherboards. I got into the habit of format and reinstall when I made a motherboard change.
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There may be some kind of issue with the CPU ID changing. I'd think the error would be a little more robust.
reformat/reinstall is always the best plan, but if there is crap on there you don't want to lose just throw the install cd in there and repair the installation.
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Maybe you need to install the drivers from the CD and set boot from CD over HDD so you can install it ahead of windows? Maybe you can do that. I don't know though... I don't see the huge difference between doing that and doing a first boot... a BSOD is defiantly a driver issue though unless there's something physically wrong with the set up (like a wild contact or it isn't being grounded properly)
Might also want to try to run Windows repair as well, that should install the drivers needed
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raid drivers maybe? Did you turn raid off in the cmos and try it?
I still think your friends a moron though.
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I'll keep playing with it.
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I've done fairly smooth in-place swaps of mobos with similar hardware (same northbridge/southbridge/storage driver, etc.) in Windows XP.
Otherwise repair install is the preferred method, if you want things 100% perfect full reinstall is the only way.
GLHF!
PS: Also look into Sysprep tool, applicable in some cases, I actually used that personally and not repair install for clients back in the day. It will require reactivation as I recall.
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Fresh install of windows is what I recommend. I'm not a tech but this is what I do everytime I switch mainboards
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My understanding is that, unless the replacement mobo is fundamentally the same (chipset basically) as the old one, Windows will 'burp' and you will have to buy a new license for the Windows you have (if OEM).
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kedz20xx posted:
I got a new mobo for Christmas - Asus Sabertooth 990FX - and was curious if I could just delete my old mobo's chipset drivers in order to get this one to boot correctly. Old mobo is an Asus M3N78-PRO AM2.
If you replace the MB but keep the same Windows system - Windows will completely freak the fark out.
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Your friend sounds like a moron.
The friend sounds experienced to me - you're the one coming off sounding like the moron.
Windows will not play nice on a new motherboard, because the GUID/UUIDs of everything changes. When it boots it will fall down and go BOOM - either by rebooting continuously, or just Blue Screening the moment it leaves the bootloader. (Edit: And it has nothing what-so-ever to do with the CPU or licensing. It's the fact that all the hardware Windows is expecting to find is now just gone, including the hard drive as far as it is concerned)
Can this be worked around? Certainly - it's just not fun and does involve significant prep time. This includes replacing all the motherboard and especially storage drivers and switching to generic drivers for those same components. This may or may not be possible on your old motherboard. Don't just remove the old motherboard drivers - switch instead to the generic built-in driver for each component and make sure you can still boot. If you can boot using the generic drivers you should be able to get it to boot when you swap in the new MB.
It is, of course, a helluvalot easier to just reinstall. You don't have to, but if you've never done a p2p Windows migration before then this is probably not the time to figure out how. 
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Turn it off. Wait thirty seconds. Restart.
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Lyken-P posted:
I haven't tried with Windows 7, but with XP I've always had issues when I changed motherboards. I got into the habit of format and reinstall when I made a motherboard change.
This. A Mobo swap - unless it's an identical model - will almost always result in a blue screen on boot. Win 7 may have changed that, but I doubt it. It's economically favorable to Microsoft to prevent hardware swapping as much as their users will tolerate.
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You can have Windows freshly installed in under an hour. Stop wasting your time.
A new motherboard (of a different brand or model) means a new install. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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ZigmundZag posted:
It's economically favorable to Microsoft to prevent hardware swapping as much as their users will tolerate.
Never ascribe to malice what can be accurately blamed on incompetence... especially when it comes to Microsoft engineering.
cabbyman posted:
A new motherboard (of a different brand or model) means a new install. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
You can safely ignore ignorant bullsh!at like this.
You can do a motherboard swap without having to reinstall. It isn't even extremely difficult - it's just time consuming. You also have to be very meticulous in how you go about doing it.
In general it's easier and often times faster to just reinstall. If you don't mind learning some new tricks however it can be beneficial, even "fun", to do it the hard way and swap the MB and make Windows work on the new hardware. 
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Koneg posted:
ZigmundZag posted:
It's economically favorable to Microsoft to prevent hardware swapping as much as their users will tolerate.
Never ascribe to malice what can be accurately blamed on incompetence... especially when it comes to Microsoft engineering.
cabbyman posted:
A new motherboard (of a different brand or model) means a new install. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
You can safely ignore ignorant bullsh!at like this.
You can do a motherboard swap without having to reinstall. It isn't even extremely difficult - it's just time consuming. You also have to be very meticulous in how you go about doing it.
In general it's easier and often times faster to just reinstall. If you don't mind learning some new tricks however it can be beneficial, even "fun", to do it the hard way and swap the MB and make Windows work on the new hardware.
So you can ignore it and then do exactly as I said.
Gotcha.
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cabbyman posted:
So you can ignore it and then do exactly as I said.
You stated categorically that it Could Not Be Done.
Which is, as pointed out, bullsh!at.
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Koneg posted:
cabbyman posted:
So you can ignore it and then do exactly as I said.
You stated categorically that it Could Not Be Done.
Which is, as pointed out, bullsh!at.
Alrighty, I guess you're overlooking the obvious but I suppose I can give you that. My point was not that it couldn't be done. My point was that it shouldn't be done.
However, for the record, I did NOT state categorically that it could not be done.
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For most people it's not just the time to "install windows", it's:
Installing windows
Installing drivers+any system app
Installing updates
Installing the rest of the apps
Installing games
Configuring settings
etc.
etc.
So yeah a repair install or other method to make Winblows redetect hardware is an option to consider.
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Koneg posted:
ZigmundZag posted:
It's economically favorable to Microsoft to prevent hardware swapping as much as their users will tolerate.
Never ascribe to malice what can be accurately blamed on incompetence... especially when it comes to Microsoft engineering.
It's not malice, it's just business. Same reason their antipiracy protection got so bad that you actually had to call MS Support after 10 hardware updates with XP. As for incompetence...Linux has had swappable hardware for years now. If their engineers know to do it, I'm sure people who actually make decent wages doing it should be able to figure it out. Unless you really think the free market is such a failure that it couldn't compete with something like Linux...
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I would try using the repair install on your windows disk first. That typically should reinstall core drivers
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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/how-do-i-upgrade-with-a-new-cpu-and-motherboard/11e0b06a-70c7-451f-9071-72c 17f810947
or tiny url:
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That's all I'm saying... 
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