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Last time he was a definite moron detector. This time he's fooling a lot smarter brand of douche.
Thanks Obama.
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A black man becoming president caused most conservatives to lose their minds
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I supported Ron Paul before Obama won the (D) nomination. I was a republican delegate in the '08 republican primary. Once you do the real research and wake up from all the lies and propaganda then you will no longer be an undecided voter again.
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I wish there was an intelligent third party candidate out there. That could change the landscape. You can tell how thirsty people are for it, because they will pretend a thirty year politician is an outsider they want one so bad.
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I supported Ron Paul before Obama won the (D) nomination. I was a republican delegate in the '08 republican primary. Once you do the real research and wake up from all the lies and propaganda then you will no longer be an undecided voter again.
Paul's a moron. if independently you came to the conclusion he was the right answer, grats on being on the stupid side of the fence.
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This time he's fooling a lot smarter brand of douche.
This is actually a rather insightful comment. When you look around the Outpost what pretty much unites all Ron Paul supporters is douchiness. Not that all douches are Ron Paul supporters, mind you - but almost all Ron Paul supporters seem to be douches.
Ron Paul's special talent is uniting the douches of both ends of the political spectrum.
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I wish there was an intelligent third party candidate out there. That could change the landscape. You can tell how thirsty people are for it, because they will pretend a thirty year politician is an outsider they want one so bad.
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You're such a genius man. You'll just have to put up with those people so much dumber than you believing what the guy says himself about what he thinks.
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Three years of Obama is a mere chapter in the book. Rational people are waking up to the fact that they have been duped into a Zionist neoconservative war, a completely failed economic strategy and a shocking gutting of our constitution and everything that means to us as a nation.
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The Ron Paul Official Newsletter posted:
Three years of Obama is a mere chapter in the book. Rational people are waking up to the fact that they have been duped into a Zionist neoconservative war, a completely failed economic strategy and a shocking gutting of our constitution and everything that means to us as a nation.
I think we may have finally found out who DID write those newsletters. 
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Three years of Obama is a mere chapter in the book. Rational people are waking up to the fact that they have been duped into a Zionist neoconservative war, a completely failed economic strategy and a shocking gutting of our constitution and everything that means to us as a nation.
I never know what you're talking about, but I respect the fact you seem so crazy while you are doing it. You and Ron Paul fit together like insanity and asylums.
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All of the smug outposters that think the most of themselves hate Ron Paul.
Obama is very smug and thinks he's pretty smart too and we see where that got us.
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All of the smug outposters that think the most of themselves hate Ron Paul.
Obama is very smug and thinks he's pretty smart too and we see where that got us.
Let the haters hate!
Where exactly did that get us? Or are we back to blaming the black guy for the recession?
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Blame the black guy all you want I guess. Whatever floats your boat. All I know is that he's just about finished destroying the country and finishing what Bush started and you tards are still clueless.
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How again is he destroying teh country??
Let's see, he stopped teh bleeding of job losses and the recessions, dow gained back all losses, umployment back below 9 percent, ended the iraq war, killed osama bin laden, passed a large bill overhauling the health care world to cater and help more americans, lowered taxes and need i keep going???
Sounds to me like he is destroying the country all right, destroying it back to health.
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I don't blame Obama at all for the current economic mess. We were going to go into a recession by end of 2000, early 2001 and to prevent it from happening we boosted our monetary (slashed interest rates to pretty much more or less nothing) and fiscal (2 wars.... a defense budget that blew up overnight and a massive tax cut) that created a massive economic boom that has, and always will, result in a preceding recession if not a rolling recession and could also result in a depression
These tough times were foreseen with just simple principals of Kenyesian economics
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Only three years of obama could cause rational people to seriously consider Ron Paul.
or 11 years of dubyah's retarded policies (8W+3Obama)...a recession....bailing out of banks that got us into this mess...blatant federal power grabs....being molested at air ports....foreign war after foreign war...a federal reserve that is out of control...an inept congress that couldn't agree on something as simple as the fact that there are 50 states...etc
obama is a [mod]muffin for sure....but he was just one piece of the [mod] puzzle...
and the only reason ron paul's ideas seem crazy....is the same reason a retarded mouse keeps touching the electrified cheese is...because to the retarded mouse that keeps doing the same thing over and over ....to stop trying to get the cheese would be craaaaazy!!  
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How again is he destroying teh country??
Let's see, he stopped teh bleeding of job losses and the recessions, dow gained back all losses, umployment back below 9 percent, ended the iraq war, killed osama bin laden, passed a large bill overhauling the health care world to cater and help more americans, lowered taxes and need i keep going???
Sounds to me like he is destroying the country all right, destroying it back to health.
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GrilledCheez posted:
This time he's fooling a lot smarter brand of douche.
This is actually a rather insightful comment. When you look around the Outpost what pretty much unites all Ron Paul supporters is douchiness. Not that all douches are Ron Paul supporters, mind you - but almost all Ron Paul supporters seem to be douches.
Ron Paul's special talent is uniting the douches of both ends of the political spectrum.
That should scare the beejesus out of you! If there is one thing the US has, it's a ton of douches!
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Last time he was a definite moron detector. This time he's fooling a lot smarter brand of douche.
Thanks Obama.
All I am hearing from you is.......
WWWAAAAAAAAHHH !!!!!!!!!! A BLACK MAN ACHIEVED MORE IN LIFE THAN I EVER WILL !!!!!!!
please do not reproduce
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Kool-Aid is DELISH!!!
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Kool-Aid is DELISH!!!
I don't look at facts, I'm a western man and all i need to know is he is black to know he is no good.....
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I am happy to vote for Obama again. The worse you can say about him is that he largely maintained the status quo. At least he didn't cause the kind of mayhem to our country that Bush did. And I think his handling of the depression was a lot better than four more years of tax cuts and deregulation would have been.
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At least half the people now running around trumpeting "Ron Paul 2012!" were ardent Obama supporters, but now they're racists??
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I am happy to vote for Obama again. The worse you can say about him is that he largely maintained the status quo. At least he didn't cause the kind of mayhem to our country that Bush did. And I think his handling of the depression was a lot better than four more years of tax cuts and deregulation would have been.
this makes minimal sense. bush caused mayhem, obama continued all of bush's policies. and he extended all of bush's tax cuts. when the status quo is a train wreck, how is it acceptable to maintain the status quo?
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Well, pretty much the best you can say about him is he didn't decide to invade two Brown countries and spend trillions doing it, and he didn't cut taxes on rich people even further.
I don't think it's irrational to say Obama hasn't been as bad as Bush even if he has continued many of the same policies. Because Bush didn't just continue problems, he went out there and created new ones. For Obama to be as bad as Bush Obama would also have to be going out and creating new problems on top of the ones we already have.
Obama's main fault is that he hasn't really done anything to make things better. Not that he wrecked things to begin with. He's a failure, but a different, less awful sort of failure.
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Well, pretty much the best you can say about him is he didn't decide to invade two Brown countries and spend trillions doing it, and he didn't cut taxes on rich people even further.
I don't think it's irrational to say Obama hasn't been as bad as Bush even if he has continued many of the same policies. Because Bush didn't just continue problems, he went out there and created new ones. For Obama to be as bad as Bush Obama would also have to be going out and creating new problems on top of the ones we already have.
Obama's main fault is that he hasn't really done anything to make things better. Not that he wrecked things to begin with. He's a failure, but a different, less awful sort of failure.
Obama is far far worse than Bush. Because he's not man enough to think for himself. He's only following the roadmap that was already laid out for him.
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I dunno, when "thinking for yourself" involves doing what Bush did, I think I'd rather have someone who doesn't than someone who does.
I mean, some free thinkers jump off cliffs thinking they can fly too. But I'm not sure I'd say they're superior to people who don't because they've been told in school how gravity works and they believe it.
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people knew what they were getting at least with bush. a dipshit puppet of his neocon cabal. obama actually seems to think line a sane, non-dangerous person yet still does absolutely nothing to improve things with his power. bush had no potential to be any good. obama has that potential and criminally wastes it.
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Because he's not man enough to think for himself.
This is a very common meme in the Obama criticism. Its been around since very, very early in the 2008 election cycle before anyone ever had enough information to conclude this and its been repeated constantly as an article of faith for 4 years.
Very curious.
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people knew what they were getting at least with bush. a dipshit puppet of his neocon cabal. obama actually seems to think line a sane, non-dangerous person yet still does absolutely nothing to improve things with his power. bush had no potential to be any good. obama has that potential and criminally wastes it.
I don't think the highlighted thing is true at all for 2000. Bush campaigned on being a non-interventionist. By 2004 it was pretty obvious what he was really like but at that point he had also already got us into a bunch of wars and if it's one thing we can count on American sheep to do it's vote for the wartime president even when it's his fault we're in the war to begin with.
In terms of Obama's potential, I don't disagree. But I thought we were talking about who was worse, not who has the potential to be better but wastes it worse.
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Worse is worse... Doesn't really matter how you get there does it?
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Worse is worse... Doesn't really matter how you get there does it?
And that's the point. Obama is not worse than Bush. He hasn't fixed many of Bush's messes but he hasn't got us into a bunch of new messes either. That is clearly not as bad at the person who created the messes to begin with.
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AzureTyger posted:
I am happy to vote for Obama again. The worse you can say about him is that he largely maintained the status quo. At least he didn't cause the kind of mayhem to our country that Bush did. And I think his handling of the depression was a lot better than four more years of tax cuts and deregulation would have been.
this makes minimal sense. bush caused mayhem, obama continued all of bush's policies. and he extended all of bush's tax cuts. when the status quo is a train wreck, how is it acceptable to maintain the status quo?
Shhhhhhhh. Just let him relax in his smuggie.
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bush was definitely worse. obama is significantly more disappointing. if one of my employees had a 4 year work history analogous to obama's, i'd fire him. the fact that our two party system makes it reasonable to vote for someone that has done nothing in their 4 year term is really pretty sad.
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the fact that our two party system makes it reasonable to vote for someone that has done nothing in their 4 year term is really pretty sad.
Amen to that.
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Obama has been terrible. i think he's worse than bush, because of the way the system works. There is literally no counter for laissez faire big business knob slobbing in our gov't right now. You either really love big business or really really love big business.
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You're part of the God damn bourgeoisie. Happy in your middle america with your 40 acres, googling on your ipods, strolling around town with your candy shop girl eating nothing but lemon sorbet.
The people just want what you have you despicable scum.
RON PAIL 2012!!
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except Ron Paul.
Thanks for agreeing with me GrilledCheese.
I actually made grilledcheese sandwiches and chicken noodle stars for my daughters for lunch.
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I actually think Obama did a great job, better than Bush, on national defense. That is of course if he doesnt sign that bill that removes all of our rights and makes the US a police state
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After 4 years of Obama, Ron Paul isn't gonna need an election to be president. Anything besides Obama can win.
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Besides we all know that anyone who didn't vote for obama is a racist 
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if doing better on national defense means not invading 2 countries, then yes, he's done better. aside from that he's terrible.
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Only three years of obama could cause rational people to seriously consider Ron Paul.
After 3 years of Obama and 77 years of progressive tyranny, can rational people not seriously consider Ron Paul?
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Even if what you say is true, being better on 1 issue pales in comparison to the rest of the crap he failed on. Id still say Ron Paul cant be any where near as bad as Obama
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mastboro reminds me of how we got into this clusterf to begin with. politicians pandering to people like her to get elected.
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Nah, blame the liberals. Thats what I do
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I am happy to vote for Obama again. The worse you can say about him is that he largely maintained the status quo. At least he didn't cause the kind of mayhem to our country that Bush did. And I think his handling of the depression was a lot better than four more years of tax cuts and deregulation would have been.
this makes minimal sense. bush caused mayhem, obama continued all of bush's policies. and he extended all of bush's tax cuts. when the status quo is a train wreck, how is it acceptable to maintain the status quo?
I am not saying he maintained the status quo on everything, just that where you can criticize him it is because he maintained it. He failed to make labor reforms while the democrats were in charge but he at least didn't make it worse with more supply side nonsense, which would almost certainly be the "plan" of any Republican, including Mr. Ayn Rand. He also failed to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich, although I am not sure how much you can blame that on Obama when Republicans threatened universal filibustering.
The HCR bill was a shadow of what it could have been, but at least we moved a baby step forward. He pushed for the consumer financial protection burea and we got that. He ended the Iraq War. He brought closure to the OBL era. He did not get us out of Afghanistan, but on the other hand he handled the American response to Arab Spring deftly. He ended DADT, another baby step, but a good one. His stimulus helped the economy stay afloat even if it didn't go far enough. He also put an end to the Republican Bush era stacking of the Fedeal judiciary with whackadoodle archconservatives, although that one was a given. (And with Ginsburg and Kennedy likely to drop dead or retire in the next 4 years, the condition of the federal judiciary is a massive red alert for the potential to create a conservative dominated Supreme Court for a generation).
He hasn't ended the cozy relationship between Financial elites and Federal economic policy, my biggest problem with his administration and possibly the one area where Paul could be an improvement.
All in all though there is not a single Republican who wouldn't have done far worse and probably increased the damage. And among those Paul's economic platform is even more extreme and crazy in almost every respect.
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I am not saying he maintained the status quo on everything, just that where you can criticize him it is because he maintained it.
I think ti's funny that you said that then criticized all his "accomplishments." Why is it enlightened when dems excuse failure because reps suck but it's awful when reps excuse failure because dems suck?
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Its all the same thats the thing with the party system. They both point and shout failures at one another. It gets us no where. Its a failed system IMO. Both parties are part of the same hypocrisy.
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Maybe I'm just young, but has there ever been a more depressing pool of potential leadership for America? Seriously...both parties are beyond worthless. They're downright destructive. Obama is easily worse than Bush in my book because as was said earlier with Bush you knew what you were getting. Obama just carried on everything Bush did and continued running us into the ground.
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Democrats have to do that, so they can blame anything they do that fails on the republicans. The republicans are a party of no ideas, while the democrats are a party of bad ideas. Thats the state of it now.
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