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N/M what the stats say... there are a lot of intangibles that go into it
To me, it's those 3, and then the rest. So who is at the top of the next tier?
and as far as these 3.. I am going to sound like a homer, but Brady and Rodgers can play in the snow, and any weather for that matter.. Brees plays in a lot of domes and nice warm stadiums down south
but still... these are the top 3
Chogy.. Yes Manning is there.. but I mean this season, and I do wonder about Manning's career. I would think a neck isn't anything to be f(*^%ing with
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If you are just talking this season it's Rodgers - Brees - Brady
edit: As for the neck injury, if he is able to play anywhere near 100% then he is still better than 25 other starting QB's in the league.
If he recovers to 100% he's easily better than 28 and he sits in the top 4 with the 3 others mentioned in this post.
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I think it's Rodgers, Brady, Brees... because what I said 
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and who's 4?
it seems like every time Romo gets near this, he screws it all up
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In no order the top 3 tiers of QB's. I left out rookies and Tebow cause thats not fair yet.
Rodgers
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Stafford
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4th this season has got to be Roethlisberger or Alex Smith
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In no order the top 3 tiers of QB's. I left out rookies and Tebow cause thats not fair yet.
Rodgers
Brees
Brady
2nd tier
Stafford
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Stafford. Definitely.
I agree.. he has picked up his game
I like him
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He led a team with little to no run game to their first playoff appearance since the 90s.
Leshoure never suited up. Best was ok then went down. Smith came in for a week then went down... and in the mean time he put up over 4,000 yards in his first full season. Trying to be objective here, I would have to go with him.
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I'll be pulling for them in the playoffs
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In no order the top 3 tiers of QB's. I left out rookies and Tebow cause thats not fair yet.
Rodgers
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Brady
2nd tier
Stafford
Eli Manning
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Raplisburger
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Romo
Vick
Cutler
The rest.
I like this. But this season with Alex Smith in mid 2nd tier
I'm not really all that sold on Alex Smith. I would trust any of those guys in tier 2 and 3 to win me a game or two just because of who they are. I would trust Alex Smith to not lose me games, but I would not trust him to win me games.
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It would have to be Stafford this year ...he has 10 TDs over eli and 2 less Ints...and is one of the most sacked QBs in the league which means he isn't playing with the greatest o-line
Stafford's stats this year are comparable to Brady
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I would of thought Romo deserved more interest in this thread
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Rodgers, Brees, and............ Manning.
He is currently leading ESPN's poll of "least deserving" player to get a bid. Sigh.
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I would of thought Romo deserved more interest in this thread
Chokes in big games.
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I would of thought Romo deserved more interest in this thread
Chokes in big games.
too many of them
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I would of thought Romo deserved more interest in this thread
if he weren't such a choke artist he might have been....
he's on par IMO with Cutler....someone who is unreliable and prone to fail when something important is on the line
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I still don't see how anyone can not rate Ben as an Elite top tier QB. All the man does is win and he does so while injured 90% of the time. Past 2 seasons he has also proven that he can put up the same passing numbers as Brady, Brees and Peyton as well. Just doesn't have to since Pittsburgh has a capable running attack and is a more defensive minded team. His numbers are lower because he is usually working with a short field.
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I still don't see how anyone can not rate Ben as an Elite top tier QB. All the man does is win and he does so while injured 90% of the time. Past 2 seasons he has also proven that he can put up the same passing numbers as Brady, Brees and Peyton as well. Just doesn't have to since Pittsburgh has a capable running attack and is a more defensive minded team. His numbers are lower because he is usually working with a short field.
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I still don't see how anyone can not rate Ben as an Elite top tier QB. All the man does is win and he does so while injured 90% of the time. Past 2 seasons he has also proven that he can put up the same passing numbers as Brady, Brees and Peyton as well. Just doesn't have to since Pittsburgh has a capable running attack and is a more defensive minded team. His numbers are lower because he is usually working with a short field.
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In no order the top 3 tiers of QB's. I left out rookies and Tebow cause thats not fair yet.
Rodgers
Brees
Brady
2nd tier
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Vick
Cutler
The rest.
I like this. But this season with Alex Smith in mid 2nd tier
I'm not really all that sold on Alex Smith. I would trust any of those guys in tier 2 and 3 to win me a game or two just because of who they are. I would trust Alex Smith to not lose me games, but I would not trust him to win me games.
eli manning is not a second tier qb. Neither is big ben just qb on a good team.
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eli manning is not a second tier qb. Neither is big ben just qb on a good team.
agreed....they are mediocre QBs surrounded by a decent supporting cast....charlie batch's old sorry ass has shown that you can throw any QB into the lineup in pitt and win games
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I totally disagree about Manning at least this year. His team is terrible, injury ridden, and terrible. He is having a very good year.
Rapelisburger is average at best. Unless we are talking about his sexual assaults.
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I totally disagree about Manning at least this year. His team is terrible, injury ridden, and terrible. He is having a very good year.
Rapelisburger is average at best. Unless we are talking about his sexual assaults.
agreed
I would take Eli over Rapelisburger
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I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
Just not sure on all the other folks... are they really that jealous of the machine? If Ben is just avg, then Brady, Brees, and Rodgers are all sub par.
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Based on what?
You've gone off the deep end if you'd rather take Ben over any of those guys given the choice.
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I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
Just not sure on all the other folks... are they really that jealous of the machine? If Ben is just avg, then Brady, Brees, and Rodgers are all sub par.
Rapelisburger has average stats, average passer ratings, average completion percentages, average TD's, Average INT's. Aside from playing for the Steelers on a very good teams, and playing hurt, he is pretty much average.
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I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
This coming from a Penn St fan and a fan of a team with a rapist at QB
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I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
This coming from a Penn St fan and a fan of a team with a rapist at QB
LOL too funny
If you are going to try and put me down at least have your facts straight. I'm a Nebraska fan and while my QB may have been accused (nothing ever came of it) of rape... he was never CAUGHT cheating. He also doesn't whine and cry to the refs if a DB looks at him, nor does he pull himself out of the game because he got a splinter like Brady does.
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And through all of that, all of the toughing it out and staying it games, he doesn't put up comparable stats.
If I were running a team Ben would be in the 5-10 range of QBs I would want.
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These are my top 10 QB's I would take if I were starting a team, without taking into consideration their age, and taking historical preformance into consideration.
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. P Manning
4. D Brees
5. P Rivers
6. M Ryan
7. M Schaub
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9. E Manning
10. Romo
Actually Ben might not even make my top 15
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I'm a niner fan and am happy to see that Alex Smith really isn't on most people's list. He is terrible. The team especially the defense has led to SF winning games this season
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I dont think Alex Smith is terrible, I just think he's Trent Dilfer. Thats pretty much what the Niners need though right now anyways so its a decent fit for the time being.
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I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
This coming from a Penn St fan and a fan of a team with a rapist at QB
LOL too funny
If you are going to try and put me down at least have your facts straight. I'm a Nebraska fan and while my QB may have been accused (nothing ever came of it) of rape... he was never CAUGHT cheating. He also doesn't whine and cry to the refs if a DB looks at him, nor does he pull himself out of the game because he got a splinter like Brady does.
lol this was your first response on this thread.. you got on your moral soapbox, when indeed that is laughable at the teams you cheer for, and the players on them. so don't say I am trying to put you down.. I am just stating some facts...
as far as getting my act straight.. you sure sound like a PSU fan to me
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and just where did I hate the Rapist until you brought it up??
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I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
This coming from a Penn St fan and a fan of a team with a rapist at QB
LOL too funny
If you are going to try and put me down at least have your facts straight. I'm a Nebraska fan and while my QB may have been accused (nothing ever came of it) of rape... he was never CAUGHT cheating. He also doesn't whine and cry to the refs if a DB looks at him, nor does he pull himself out of the game because he got a splinter like Brady does.
weren't you up in arms about people bashing paterno?
and while we are accusing people of not having their facts straight...
Brady never got a splinter on the field, rarely pulls himself out of a game, and BRADY was never caught cheating...his coach did.
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I still can't believe Dilfer has a ring.
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I'm sorry I cheer for better quality teams that don't have to resort to cheating ala the Bruins and Patriots. I understand the jealousy though, Pittsburgh actually wins their championship (of which they have many) while the NE area has to lie cheat and scam their way to theirs with pretty boy players afraid of messing up their manicures.
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[quote=Caledric]I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
This coming from a Penn St fan and a fan of a team with a rapist at QB
LOL too funny
If you are going to try and put me down at least have your facts straight. I'm a Nebraska fan and while my QB may have been accused (nothing ever came of it) of rape... he was never CAUGHT cheating. He also doesn't whine and cry to the refs if a DB looks at him, nor does he pull himself out of the game because he got a splinter like Brady does.
weren't you up in arms about people bashing paterno?
and while we are accusing people of not having their facts straight...
Brady never got a splinter on the field, rarely pulls himself out of a game, and BRADY was never caught cheating...his coach did.
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I'm sorry I cheer for better quality teams that don't have to resort to cheating ala the Bruins and Patriots. I understand the jealousy though, Pittsburgh actually wins their championship (of which they have many) while the NE area has to lie cheat and scam their way to theirs with pretty boy players afraid of messing up their manicures.
again, you're trying to hard
you just look silly
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[quote=Brandun][quote=Caledric]I can understand the hate from Brandon... I mean Ben doesn't have to cheat to win. I guess I can understand Cutt as well seeing as he knows its going to be GB and Pitt in the SB again this year.
This coming from a Penn St fan and a fan of a team with a rapist at QB
LOL too funny
If you are going to try and put me down at least have your facts straight. I'm a Nebraska fan and while my QB may have been accused (nothing ever came of it) of rape... he was never CAUGHT cheating. He also doesn't whine and cry to the refs if a DB looks at him, nor does he pull himself out of the game because he got a splinter like Brady does.
weren't you up in arms about people bashing paterno?
and while we are accusing people of not having their facts straight...
Brady never got a splinter on the field, rarely pulls himself out of a game, and BRADY was never caught cheating...his coach did.
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Oh noes I defended a guy who IS the class of the NCAA and did NOTHING wrong! What the hell is wrong with me??? I must love PSU because I didn't feed into the media troll fest!
As I said to you before Brandun. I'm sorry you are unable to think for yourself and must do what the media tells you to. I'm also sorry that your upset that your QB is a cheater and a pretty boy so you have to hate on mine. But such is the way of life when you live in nancy town that is New England. You know why its called New England? Because the rest of the country wish you guys would just go back to England and stop making us look like a bunch of pussies.
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I still can't believe Dilfer has a ring.
right there next to my disbelief of Brad Johnson!
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You are not very good at trolling... maybe you should try something else
You respond to my every post... yet I'm not very good at trolling. Hell everyone even yourself KNOWS I'm trolling you, yet you can't resist responding. Why should I try something else when you make it so easy?
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just pointing out the obvious
I would not say that is being trolled
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Oh noes I defended a guy who IS the class of the NCAA and did NOTHING wrong! What the hell is wrong with me??? I must love PSU because I didn't feed into the media troll fest!
ya he was only told about a kid getting raped in his locker room but didn't want to ruin a weekend for his boss.
nothing wrong at all. 
while we are talking about pretty boy manicures...how's Cindy Crosby doing?
cries because the one pussy on the bruins may have hit him with a phantom elbow. 
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Brady may have never been caught cheating, but he certainly benefited from it.
If my wife knows that I rob houses for a living and does nothing, is she not still responsible?
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Brady may have never been caught cheating, but he certainly benefited from it.
If my wife knows that I rob houses for a living and does nothing, is she not still responsible?
well, as illustrated in the defense of Paterno, NO, she is not.
maybe he did know, maybe he didn't...just because you know the coverage and can call in a play, Brady still had to make the throw...back then he didn't have the control of the offense either...he had plays called in, and didn't change that much.
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Oh noes I defended a guy who IS the class of the NCAA and did NOTHING wrong! What the hell is wrong with me??? I must love PSU because I didn't feed into the media troll fest!
ya he was only told about a kid getting raped in his locker room but didn't want to ruin a weekend for his boss.
nothing wrong at all.
while we are talking about pretty boy manicures...how's Cindy Crosby doing?
cries because the one pussy on the bruins may have hit him with a phantom elbow.
oh no.. you correcting something said incredibly stupid here
you are getting trolled like crazy
DAMN!!
I love how when called out and made to look like an idiot the back up defense is "LOL I was trolling you"
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Brady may have never been caught cheating, but he certainly benefited from it.
If my wife knows that I rob houses for a living and does nothing, is she not still responsible?
well, as illustrated in the defense of Paterno, NO, she is not.
maybe he did know, maybe he didn't...just because you know the coverage and can call in a play, Brady still had to make the throw...back then he didn't have the control of the offense either...he had plays called in, and didn't change that much.
and you could tape any place in the stadium except from the sidelines? is that how that silly rule read?
I forget..
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Brady may have never been caught cheating, but he certainly benefited from it.
If my wife knows that I rob houses for a living and does nothing, is she not still responsible?
well, as illustrated in the defense of Paterno, NO, she is not.
maybe he did know, maybe he didn't...just because you know the coverage and can call in a play, Brady still had to make the throw...back then he didn't have the control of the offense either...he had plays called in, and didn't change that much.
and you could tape any place in the stadium except from the sidelines? is that how that silly rule read?
I forget..
the Jets had it documented that they tape and endzone view of every game with consent.
they were not winning, so no one cared.
the old statement had something to do with team access...which is...ummm...the entire stadium right?
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