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As a part of the on-going evaluation of Looking For Raid and the loot system, we have recently implemented a change to the Looking For Raid Need Plus system. Weapons, trinkets, rings, neck pieces, shields, offhand items, and the Robe of Glowing Stone are now class-restricted to their intended users. With the speed at which a Raid Finder group moves through a zone, we?ve found that it makes it challenging for players to evaluate loot decisions ? by class restricting these items, we hope that the natural behavior will have a more positive set of results for everyone involved. This change will not apply to normal or heroic raid or dungeon loot rules.
Raid Finder and Need Plus are both very new systems, and we?re working to iterate on these systems rapidly to ensure that everyone has the best possible experience as we learn more about how players are using the system. Please keep in mind that this system is not considered complete and we have further plans to improve upon it within Mists of Pandaria.
If you looted an item from Looking for Raid which replaced another and you need Game Master assistance to recover your old item, please place a petition with the new item name, that you can no longer use it - and the old item name you need restored. For more information on the affected items, please visit the Customer Support forums here- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3729953854#1
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So far all i've noticed is people rolling need on anything they can. if they win and don't really want it, they try to auction it off in raid chat.
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BarrekT posted:
So far all i've noticed is people rolling need on anything they can. if they win and don't really want it, they try to auction it off in raid chat.
Can you not set a master looter?
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So far all i've noticed is people rolling need on anything they can. if they win and don't really want it, they try to auction it off in raid chat.
Can you not set a master looter?
No.
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Well that is pretty awful...
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Setting a master looter in a raid of 25 random players would be pretty fail for 24 of the 25 . .
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They had to fix an issue where certain items were giving the "bonus roll" to the wrong classes.
This occurred on my server the other day..the item was a sword, with agility stats...
A warrior needed the item, as well as a hunter and druid, but the warrior was given the "+100" bonus to his roll when he really shouldn't have.
Warriors are allowed to need on swords.
The issue here was the bonus being applied where it really shouldn't have, so they are making some of these items class specific in order to fix this issue.
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there might be loot issues but for those who really don't care much about loot and just want to play the game this pretty much sums up how most feel about the LFR.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657613297
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Interesting thread. Possibly the most positive thread I've seen in recent memory on the official forums.
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there might be loot issues but for those who really don't care much about loot and just want to play the game this pretty much sums up how most feel about the LFR.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657613297
Is the Raid Finder really that user friendly and accessible now?
I wish they had put this in before they went hardcore elitist on me for Cataclysm release cause maybe I would have been able to stay around to test out this feature. Oh well, I hope everyone playing continues to enjoy WoW.
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there might be loot issues but for those who really don't care much about loot and just want to play the game this pretty much sums up how most feel about the LFR.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657613297
Is the Raid Finder really that user friendly and accessible now?
I wish they had put this in before they went hardcore elitist on me for Cataclysm release cause maybe I would have been able to stay around to test out this feature. Oh well, I hope everyone playing continues to enjoy WoW.
I subbed to try out the LFR tool. I queued one time, had a 13 minute wait. We finished the whole raid and one shotted all but one boss. It was overall a good experience but the difficulty trivializes the content enough that doing it over and over would get boring much faster. Loot isn't enough incentive to stay interested when there's no mechanical challenge involved. At least for me.
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And therein lies the failure that is LFR. It is a step in the right direction to finally fix the broken game so that EVERYONE can see all the content.
But, players don't want to run the same retarded crap over and over just for gear.
As I've said since day one of release, blizzard needs to quit wasting resources on retarded raids, and release a LOT more smaller content a LOT more frequently. There should be a new 5 man at least every other month if not every month. F**$ new raids. Most people don't want to play with 24 retarded strangers. Four are tolerable, 24 are not and never will be for very long.
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Even just 9 can get annoying.
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Arcilite_I posted:
Bremen_Gaheris posted:
jojo263 posted:
there might be loot issues but for those who really don't care much about loot and just want to play the game this pretty much sums up how most feel about the LFR.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657613297
Is the Raid Finder really that user friendly and accessible now?
I wish they had put this in before they went hardcore elitist on me for Cataclysm release cause maybe I would have been able to stay around to test out this feature. Oh well, I hope everyone playing continues to enjoy WoW.
I subbed to try out the LFR tool. I queued one time, had a 13 minute wait. We finished the whole raid and one shotted all but one boss. It was overall a good experience but the difficulty trivializes the content enough that doing it over and over would get boring much faster. Loot isn't enough incentive to stay interested when there's no mechanical challenge involved. At least for me.
that's the point the LFR isn't for people like you. it's for people who just want to have a chance to see end game content and can really care less about getting loot or having the best loot in the game. if you want harder modes they're out there for you.
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jojo263 posted:
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I subbed to try out the LFR tool. I queued one time, had a 13 minute wait. We finished the whole raid and one shotted all but one boss. It was overall a good experience but the difficulty trivializes the content enough that doing it over and over would get boring much faster. Loot isn't enough incentive to stay interested when there's no mechanical challenge involved. At least for me.
that's the point the LFR isn't for people like you. it's for people who just want to have a chance to see end game content and can really care less about getting loot or having the best loot in the game. if you want harder modes they're out there for you.
Eh, I know. I thought the random social aspect of it would be fun but it turns into the same old crap. Just easier.
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Adding a lot of extra content would not be that hard. Just give all the old dungeons/raids from previous expansions a special mode where each class is given a preset ilevel of gear (or cap stats) and character level. This would probably be quicker than trying to tune 40+ dungeons for whatever stats characters will have come end game between now and MOP.
Let the bosses award justice points, transmog gear and maybe some other fluff. Maybe even throw in a chance of getting a rare piece of gear that is equivalent in stats to the current raid tier.
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Yeah I think there is lots of stuff that they're going to do with the raid finder I can't wait. I recently came back and have been enjoying the game. I really wasn't a fan of Real ID but since I've been back I have been using realID and grouping with friends in bg's and 5 mans. I hope they add more stuff to it soon.
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For me the LFR tool is a perfect addition to the future gaming of WoW. It easily allows almost everyone to experience the end-game content without having to commit to certain raid times (great for the casual players), while at the same time still allowing some of the more hardcore players to get a chance to see some of the boss mechanics.
Honestly, I took the LFR as a way to obtain some decent loot until I got drops from DS normal. I haven't delved into FL heriocs (only restarted on 4.3), and thus this was perfect for me.
The boss mechanics for me was the best part. You experience the same exact fight as the normal mode with just some minor tweaks (In the case of Yor'shaj, it's literally the same exact fight ;;; purple>green>yellow (or follow DBM). Some have different mechanics, but they are really easy to pick up on (ie: Haggara's fight is almost identical with the exception of ice blocks falling in the ice faze, having to take the boss not in the middle, and getting people out of ice tombs).
I understand the frustration with the loot in LFR, as it can be annoying (people winning multiple rolls per boss is freakishly common), but really that shouldn't be much of a concern. The LFR tool really shouldn't be used as a means to acquire the best of loot, but rather just a more casual version of raids, and it does a fine job of that.
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And therein lies the failure that is LFR. It is a step in the right direction to finally fix the broken game so that EVERYONE can see all the content.
But, players don't want to run the same retarded crap over and over just for gear.
As I've said since day one of release, blizzard needs to quit wasting resources on retarded raids, and release a LOT more smaller content a LOT more frequently. There should be a new 5 man at least every other month if not every month. F**$ new raids. Most people don't want to play with 24 retarded strangers. Four are tolerable, 24 are not and never will be for very long.
I couldn't agree more. The chances of assembling a group of 25 or 10 strangers w/o any "bad apples" is next to nothing.
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Interesting. Almost makes me want to resub.
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Interesting. Almost makes me want to resub.
I haven't played for awhile and I came back because I noticed that I had 10 days free. Not sure how long you've been away but check your account maybe you got the same thing.
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jojo263 posted:
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Interesting. Almost makes me want to resub.
I haven't played for awhile and I came back because I noticed that I had 10 days free. Not sure how long you've been away but check your account maybe you got the same thing.
I am not sure when I cancelled my sub, but it was early this year. I don't think the MMO genre has anything left for me as a gamer. I did enjoy WotLK though, so if the LFR thing brings back the ease in getting into a PUG and getting through the content (even if it is faceroll) it may be enjoyable again.
Ehh I will check my account and see. Thanks for the heads up.
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it is nice to see the content i'd otherwise never get to see. i think its a matter of perspective as i don't think raiding takes any sort of skill in the first place, just coordination and lots of time. as has already been said i'd rather just experience the content then play a fps or rts game if i wanna do skill-based.
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labpete posted:
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And therein lies the failure that is LFR. It is a step in the right direction to finally fix the broken game so that EVERYONE can see all the content.
But, players don't want to run the same retarded crap over and over just for gear.
As I've said since day one of release, blizzard needs to quit wasting resources on retarded raids, and release a LOT more smaller content a LOT more frequently. There should be a new 5 man at least every other month if not every month. F**$ new raids. Most people don't want to play with 24 retarded strangers. Four are tolerable, 24 are not and never will be for very long.
I couldn't agree more. The chances of assembling a group of 25 or 10 strangers w/o any "bad apples" is next to nothing.
This is why you join a guild and/or form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot... Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy.
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labpete posted:
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And therein lies the failure that is LFR. It is a step in the right direction to finally fix the broken game so that EVERYONE can see all the content.
But, players don't want to run the same retarded crap over and over just for gear.
As I've said since day one of release, blizzard needs to quit wasting resources on retarded raids, and release a LOT more smaller content a LOT more frequently. There should be a new 5 man at least every other month if not every month. F**$ new raids. Most people don't want to play with 24 retarded strangers. Four are tolerable, 24 are not and never will be for very long.
I couldn't agree more. The chances of assembling a group of 25 or 10 strangers w/o any "bad apples" is next to nothing.
This is why you join a guild and/or form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot... Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy.
A solid 98% of WoW's playerbase is incapable of any prolonged (longer than it takes to call somebody a baddy or fag) social interaction.
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The other 2% are the elite guilds that maintain very strict recruitment policies, to keep the other 98% out.
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The other 2% are the elite guilds that maintain very strict recruitment policies, to keep the other 98% out.
That's funny, most of the ones I hear using "bads" "terribadlies" or "baddy" or whatever the kids are calling it this week tend to be in these 2% "progression" guilds. Then again, that's probably the one or two people from that guild that are the douchebags always cluttering up trade with stories of how they one-shotted something heroic (for truez) while watching the latest movie they downloaded from torrents and just smoked a doobie after having mad sex0r with their grown-up (or underage) girlfriend and are just idling in trade while they pwn nubs in MW3 while waiting for scrub queues to pop on their laggy full server.
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The other 2% are the elite guilds that maintain very strict recruitment policies, to keep the other 98% out.
That's funny, most of the ones I hear using "bads" "terribadlies" or "baddy" or whatever the kids are calling it this week tend to be in these 2% "progression" guilds. Then again, that's probably the one or two people from that guild that are the douchebags always cluttering up trade with stories of how they one-shotted something heroic (for truez) while watching the latest movie they downloaded from torrents and just smoked a doobie after having mad sex0r with their grown-up (or underage) girlfriend and are just idling in trade while they pwn nubs in MW3 while waiting for scrub queues to pop on their laggy full server.
Those aren't members of the 2% guilds, they're part of the 3-10% guilds. The upper layer of WoW's cesspool of a population.
You don't see the 2% guilds in trade chat.
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This is why you join a guild and/or form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot... Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy.
Here is someone who still just doesn't get it.
"This is why you join a guild..."
If i have to choose between not raiding, or joining a guild...I choose not raiding.
"....form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot..."
No. I will not have fun according to a schedule.
"Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy."
Moot point, if the first two are required.
This is why we have the LFR. Blizzard understands, even if you still don't.
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Blizz needs to work on the loot roll rules even more.
Happened last night, but there is no reason that someone who is already wearing the tier chest, to be able to roll "need" on the chest token.
Also, there shouldn't be a way for someone to win two tokens off of one boss drop, but I have seen that happen as well.
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Blizz needs to work on the loot roll rules even more.
Happened last night, but there is no reason that someone who is already wearing the tier chest, to be able to roll "need" on the chest token.
Also, there shouldn't be a way for someone to win two tokens off of one boss drop, but I have seen that happen as well.
Hey, genius, there's more than one spec per character and they all wear chest pieces. 
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Arcilite_I posted:
-MrBean- posted:
Blizz needs to work on the loot roll rules even more.
Happened last night, but there is no reason that someone who is already wearing the tier chest, to be able to roll "need" on the chest token.
Also, there shouldn't be a way for someone to win two tokens off of one boss drop, but I have seen that happen as well.
Hey, genius, there's more than one spec per character and they all wear chest pieces.
hey Genius, LFR was built for casuals. The best way for them to get casuals to keep coming back is for them to have a chance to upgrade their equipment over someone who already has.
And it was a mage. A mage chestpiece is a mage chestpiece regardless of spec. What was he gonna do, grab a second one that had spirit?
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GutterSludge posted:
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This is why you join a guild and/or form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot... Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy.
Here is someone who still just doesn't get it.
"This is why you join a guild..."
If i have to choose between not raiding, or joining a guild...I choose not raiding.
"....form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot..."
No. I will not have fun according to a schedule.
"Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy."
Moot point, if the first two are required.
This is why we have the LFR. Blizzard understands, even if you still don't.
Did you not read my above post are you mentally ill?
I clearly stated that LFR is one of the best things ever added in any MMO and I'm a huge fan of it. I hate those who are exploiting it for loot (even people in my guild do this), but it's still an awesome feature.
Also, it's still pretty easy to go to Org/SW on most servers and just type: /2 ilevel (insert yours) (insert class) LF DS 10 man
I cleared 6/8 with a completely random group last week. Sure, it took about 3 hours, but heck, for it being all randoms it went pretty smooth and most bosses were one shotted.
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-MrBean- posted:
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Blizz needs to work on the loot roll rules even more.
Happened last night, but there is no reason that someone who is already wearing the tier chest, to be able to roll "need" on the chest token.
Also, there shouldn't be a way for someone to win two tokens off of one boss drop, but I have seen that happen as well.
Hey, genius, there's more than one spec per character and they all wear chest pieces.
hey Genius, LFR was built for casuals. The best way for them to get casuals to keep coming back is for them to have a chance to upgrade their equipment over someone who already has.
And it was a mage. A mage chestpiece is a mage chestpiece regardless of spec. What was he gonna do, grab a second one that had spirit?
That's where you're wrong though.
If you have a fire and arcane spec going, your gear is completely different due to attribute needs. I have a lot of double pieces simply for this reason. For Arcane you want as much mastery as possible and haste is rather irrelevant, whereas in Fire you want to have haste and you hate mastery.
So yes, there is a point for two chest pieces for a mage PVE'r.
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Thank you Swordz, I lack the energy to deal with that level of stupidity today.
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_Swordz_ posted:
GutterSludge posted:
_Swordz_ posted:
This is why you join a guild and/or form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot... Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy.
Here is someone who still just doesn't get it.
"This is why you join a guild..."
If i have to choose between not raiding, or joining a guild...I choose not raiding.
"....form a raid group that meets 1-3 times a week on a given timeslot..."
No. I will not have fun according to a schedule.
"Dragon Soul normal is still really really really easy."
Moot point, if the first two are required.
This is why we have the LFR. Blizzard understands, even if you still don't.
Did you not read my above post are you mentally ill?
I clearly stated that LFR is one of the best things ever added in any MMO and I'm a huge fan of it. I hate those who are exploiting it for loot (even people in my guild do this), but it's still an awesome feature.
Also, it's still pretty easy to go to Org/SW on most servers and just type: /2 ilevel (insert yours) (insert class) LF DS 10 man
I cleared 6/8 with a completely random group last week. Sure, it took about 3 hours, but heck, for it being all randoms it went pretty smooth and most bosses were one shotted.
I wasn't responding you your "above post" was I? I was responding to the post that I quoted.
If you can't handle the (well deserved) criticism of what you write, don't write it.
Honestly, while the LFR makes raiding for casuals easier, raiding in general is still a fail concept. Forced grouping in order to see all of the game one has purchased is still the worst model ever conceived IMHO.
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Then go read the above post... lol.
Also, if you think the raid mentality is a failed concept you're playing the wrong genre, or you should stick entirely to PvP. Isn't that the whole point of an MMO? Gather with heaps of people in order to take down epic encounters?
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_Swordz_ posted:
Then go read the above post... lol.
Also, if you think the raid mentality is a failed concept you're playing the wrong genre, or you should stick entirely to PvP. Isn't that the whole point of an MMO? Gather with heaps of people in order to take down epic encounters?
No its not the point at all.
In UO the point was maxing your character then world PVP.
In DAOC the point was maxing your character then RVR PVP.
Carebear raiding is by far not the only "point" nor the only endgame of MMO's. It is just the model WoW adopted.
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Spookysheep posted:
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Then go read the above post... lol.
Also, if you think the raid mentality is a failed concept you're playing the wrong genre, or you should stick entirely to PvP. Isn't that the whole point of an MMO? Gather with heaps of people in order to take down epic encounters?
No its not the point at all.
In UO the point was maxing your character then world PVP.
In DAOC the point was maxing your character then RVR PVP.
Carebear raiding is by far not the only "point" nor the only endgame of MMO's. It is just the model WoW adopted.
And if you were serious about RvR in DAoC you had to do so with a lot of people. If you were serious about land/dungeon control on AC:DT you needed to group with people.
Pretty much all successful end-game requires some sort of player grouping.
In terms of WoW you can still experience so much of the game without having to raid. LFR still allows most casual players to experience almost identical fights to those that want to invest more time. I seriously cannot understand why anyone would complain about LFR except for elitists.
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