Jyiiga posted:

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With the introduction of patch 4.3, guilds will have more control over their leadership in cases where the leader goes MIA. After 30 days have passed, guild leadership will be able to be passed to a high-ranking and active individual to help continue cultivating a guild’s progression.

With the introduction of this feature, customer support will no longer intervene in guild leadership disputes. The matters of leadership and guild organization are meant for the guild to discuss and arrange, and we want to stress that leadership decisions should be made after thoughtful contemplation for and by those involved.

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I have to say this feature has pretty much sealed the deal for me. I will probably never return to Azeroth for any reason. I had a small guild with a few random players in it. It served no real purpose accept storage, casual guild leveling and communication.

The patch kicks in and I received no warning, no message at all about someone being able to take over my guild. I checked my battle.net account and my email address is correct and current. I also checked my "All" and "Spam" email folders, nothing.

In short I have lost all the extra storage that I purchased, the items contained within and 15,000 in gold.

Dirty pool Blizzard.

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vn_vigilante66 posted:

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Maybe he hadnt logged on prior to the patch in 30 days and just auto lost it with this new feature?

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Jyiiga posted:

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I auto lost it to some nub that does not even play.

The feature says it will send you notification and it does not. I know how to check a spam folder and a all mail folder. I receieved no notification at all.

This was not a raiding guild. This was not an RP guild. This was not a PVP guild.

This was a guild with a few random people in it. That's only purpose was to serve as a casual means for those people to have a few guild lvls. It was also my alternate banking space.

I'm not sure how I don't deserve to be a leader of that. Retarded.

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Rezzinu posted:

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I'm with you Jyiiga.

1) There should have been some type of notification about this feature being released prior to them releasing it.
2) You should have been notified prior to losing your guild with all of it's contents.

What really sucks is they'll more then likely not give it back to you.

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Jyiiga posted:

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Great feature huh Arc?

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Jyiiga posted:

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This was a guild with a few random people in it. That's only purpose was to serve as a casual means for those people to have a few guild lvls. It was also my alternate banking space.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Thank you for confirming that you weren't a guild leader, in any way.

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Jyiiga posted:

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Thank you for confirming that you weren't a guild leader, in any way.

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and thank you for demonstrating your inability to look at anything from more than one perspective.

I never claimed to be and I'm sorry you completely and utterly fail at comprehending my point of view on this.

In the end all this did was implode my little fun guild and drive people away from the game.

Cheers.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Jyiiga posted:

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This was a guild with a few random people in it. That's only purpose was to serve as a casual means for those people to have a few guild lvls. It was also my alternate banking space.

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Thank you for confirming that you weren't a guild leader, in any way.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Jyiiga posted:

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Thank you for confirming that you weren't a guild leader, in any way.

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and thank you for demonstrating your inability to look at anything from more than one perspective.

I never claimed to be and I'm sorry you completely and utterly fail at comprehending my point of view on this.

In the end all this did was implode my little fun guild and drive people away from the game.

Cheers.

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So let me get this straight lol...

You're bitching about losing your guild, but you weren't anything more than an occasional customer to its bank.

Do you even read what you type?

You have nothing to stand on here, you lost what you didn't respect as yours.

BOOM ROASTED

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johntheobscure posted:

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Jyiiga posted:

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This was a guild with a few random people in it. That's only purpose was to serve as a casual means for those people to have a few guild lvls. It was also my alternate banking space.

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Thank you for confirming that you weren't a guild leader, in any way.

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You were not involved and do not know what you are talking about.

I am (was) a member of the guild and know completely what I am talking about. I speak as the person who had the most current XP, etc. in that guild.

Jyigga was one of several people who built and leveled that guild with time, effort and money.

The guild was taken over by a noob who contributed literally 0 XP for the sole reason that they were lucky enough to be the first to log in at a certain time. (In the 17 hours between my last log-ins.)

Blizzard's own stated policy in this "usurping" was not followed.

The outcome is inequitable and unjust. Blizzard does not care about keeping guilds alive. It cares about forcing people to pay to log in once a month as WoW dies. That is all this is about. That is why it, and its house slaves, are happy with the outcome. It will keep someone, anyone, subscribing, even though the guild would be better off dead and now essentially is anyway.

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Jyiiga posted:

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It was mine. Simple as that.

I took the time to find a few people to make it.

I set up fun little rank structure and allowed people to pick a title that fit them.

I spent the coin to purchase bank slots for myself. I even had bank slots set up for the casual members to trade crafting materials back and forth.

I had 15,000 coin in the bank that allowed those casual players to do repairs.

Then it was taken away since I do not stare at patch notes every time they come down the pipe. I received no warning about the transfer (and a blue confirmed that I should have).

The guild is now void of life, cleaned out and effectively dead.

I'm sorry you fail to see the problem with this system.

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Rezzinu posted:

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I'm with you Jyiiga.

1) There should have been some type of notification about this feature being released prior to them releasing it.
2) You should have been notified prior to losing your guild with all of it's contents.

What really sucks is they'll more then likely not give it back to you.

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johntheobscure posted:

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Rezzinu posted:

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I'm with you Jyiiga.

1) There should have been some type of notification about this feature being released prior to them releasing it.
2) You should have been notified prior to losing your guild with all of it's contents.

What really sucks is they'll more then likely not give it back to you.

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There is a larger issue here about companies failing to recognize that entities created by players are at the very least mostly ours, not solely theirs. I suspect there will be an intellectual property revolution over this in time.

As it is, Blizzard is, like all who lean towards the fascist, trumpeting rules over justice--and then not even following its own rules. The lack of notice was absurd.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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johntheobscure posted:

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Rezzinu posted:

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I'm with you Jyiiga.

1) There should have been some type of notification about this feature being released prior to them releasing it.
2) You should have been notified prior to losing your guild with all of it's contents.

What really sucks is they'll more then likely not give it back to you.

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There is a larger issue here about companies failing to recognize that entities created by players are at the very least mostly ours, not solely theirs. I suspect there will be an intellectual property revolution over this in time.

As it is, Blizzard is, like all who lean towards the fascist, trumpeting rules over justice--and then not even following its own rules. The lack of notice was absurd.

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LMFAO dude, comparing Blizzard/WoW to real life things like fascism is way beyond hilarious.

Get a grip, get a life, get a clue.

Most importantly, go the **** outside and deal with some REAL problems in the world.

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johntheobscure posted:

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My job involves intense engagement with "real life" (which includes corporate behavior, as well-informed adults are aware) and as part of it, I am paid for voicing my opinions on social and economic issues. I have saved people's homes, altered major government policies and had many other real-world effects. My life is quite full and satisfying, and I not only have clues, but answers for which I am rightly lauded for providing.

What is your contribution to planet Earth, aside from trolling ignorantly, proposing faux libertarianism, and being a "personal responsibility" hypocrite? By which I mean, the answer is obvious and you sadly wish to engage in combat not to reveal truth but merely to fill deficiencies in your existence.

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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Perhaps Blizzard doesn't like people making guilds just to use the guild bank feature, but I know tons of people that do, and to lose your stuff because you are gone for a break and didn't know about a new feature, kinda sucks.

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Trigeminal posted:

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I like eating meat

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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Perhaps Blizzard doesn't like people making guilds just to use the guild bank feature, but I know tons of people that do, and to lose your stuff because you are gone for a break and didn't know about a new feature, kinda sucks.

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johntheobscure posted:

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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Perhaps Blizzard doesn't like people making guilds just to use the guild bank feature, but I know tons of people that do, and to lose your stuff because you are gone for a break and didn't know about a new feature, kinda sucks.

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I find it short-sighted, since almost everyone plays cyclically, and a lot of people returned to WoW after breaks over the years. To me, it smacks of desperation from a once dominant (and thus lazy) company now leaking subscribers: try to bully you into playing rather than letting you come back on your own terms. It is notable that they made guild usurping much easier in the latest patch, which also includes the "transmogrification" feature that users demanded for years, other games did, and Blizzard is only now offering as its subscriber base drops.

Incidentally, this guild was not just a bank, but a c. 250-member event with a lot of creativity going on. It was on the decline, but most things in WoW are.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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johntheobscure posted:

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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Perhaps Blizzard doesn't like people making guilds just to use the guild bank feature, but I know tons of people that do, and to lose your stuff because you are gone for a break and didn't know about a new feature, kinda sucks.

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I find it short-sighted, since almost everyone plays cyclically, and a lot of people returned to WoW after breaks over the years. To me, it smacks of desperation from a once dominant (and thus lazy) company now leaking subscribers: try to bully you into playing rather than letting you come back on your own terms. It is notable that they made guild usurping much easier in the latest patch, which also includes the "transmogrification" feature that users demanded for years, other games did, and Blizzard is only now offering as its subscriber base drops.

Incidentally, this guild was not just a bank, but a c. 250-member event with a lot of creativity going on. It was on the decline, but most things in WoW are.

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So was it a handful of people who barely play or a 250-member active guild?

It's almost like....the "facts" are changing as this story goes along.

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_Warlucky_ posted:

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Thirty days is way too short of a time, some people take 30 day vacations every year. I am sure that even with the human element the game used to have they wouldn't of transferred after just 30 days so their implementation was off the mark.

But for some perspective was a small crappy guild in a game which you weren't playing so who cares.

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GutterSludge posted:

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The solution to this is:

Right after you cancel your sub, boot everyone from the guild, period.

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