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Thbbb posted:
Please force people to fight me, there is no one for me to grief anymore
No.
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So, you picked a game where the type of play you want to engage in is largely nonexistent. I'll give you three guesses on how likely you are to get the changes you want.
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Nothing has changed, the OP is just the only low level left in North America..
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If you want people who are leveling up to fight, go to a pvp server that is set for new players and start leveling up and pvping.
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I miss world pvp as well, but WoW took a wrong turn way back when they implemented battlegrounds as far as world pvp was concerned. Considering they went on to perpetuate this with Arena PvP tournaments, I doubt this will change anytime soon.
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Go into their home town, you will find lots of enemy,
But
they will be the same level as you
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Darktide and they way AC handled free for all pvp was the best.
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Darktide and they way AC handled free for all pvp was the best.
I like darktide also but I also remember the jiggling, potion chugging contests which were kind of lame. All games have their flaws.
Even on non-pvp servers the world is pretty much empty. If you want world pvp go play Rift.
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Darktide and they way AC handled free for all pvp was the best.
I guess that's why at the game's apogee, only 8% max of the total population were on DT... yeah, that type of PvP has proved to be SO popular 
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Eve is the closest I have found to DT, learning curve is pretty steep though.
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AC's pvp was the best simply because of the game's movement and a death penalty that could be managed with item drops. Free for all and no town guards hunting you or any npc behavior penalty. Land capture with the lifestones. No chat restriction. But that model is far from popular i agree.
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No one quests or levels in the world anymore because its easier to just stay in town all day and grind professions between instance queues. I guess this is mostly understandable at cap level but while leveling the world is pretty empty and boring. My favorite part of this game was running quests and running into the enemy faction. Would there be an epic battle? Sometimes. Other times /waves were exchanged and business went on as usual. The point is the world is empty. Not only are there no enemies but there are no allies either. Every quest hub is a ghost town and low level instance group finder is the reason. This game is basically guild wars now with no pvp.
I suggest making it so the xp is greatly reduced in those low level instances on pvp servers. Something needs to be done to make it a game world again instead of back to back instances.
Having played on a pvp server for some years I can say that the world pvp "game" got old really quick. And, more often than not, someone had their max level toon "parked" somewhere nearby and would use that toon to just grief you into going somewhere else so they can quest unhindered or have to worry about being attacked themselves.
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This thread makes me laugh at lots of people.
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No one quests or levels in the world anymore because its easier to just stay in town all day and grind professions between instance queues. I guess this is mostly understandable at cap level but while leveling the world is pretty empty and boring. My favorite part of this game was running quests and running into the enemy faction. Would there be an epic battle? Sometimes. Other times /waves were exchanged and business went on as usual. The point is the world is empty. Not only are there no enemies but there are no allies either. Every quest hub is a ghost town and low level instance group finder is the reason. This game is basically guild wars now with no pvp.
I suggest making it so the xp is greatly reduced in those low level instances on pvp servers. Something needs to be done to make it a game world again instead of back to back instances.
Wake the f up... there are no low levels. People aren't out there hiding from you on every server. They are playing their mains or they are higher level than you.
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Unless it involves arenas and/or e-sports. Blizzard has no interest or reason to fix PvP.
World PVP is not part of the vision!
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Maybe on April Fools day all servers should get a random chance to go PvP for awhile with no warning. Just "Poof!"
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This thread makes me laugh at lots of people.
Threads about PvP servers never fail to deliver
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kuide posted:
Go into their home town, you will find lots of enemy,
But
they will be the same level as you
Notice how he STFU and quit crying after you posted this and exposed him? 
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Hey, Thbbb...come back! We have more pearls of wisdom for you.
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meh
The question still remains...why even have a pvp server? Or a world for that matter. All the players are in content that is instanced.
Why have a game at all when you can pk fewls in real life?
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If they created a world pvp event im guessing a lot of the bigger servers would crash.
Just play wow for what it is,a good pve game.
You can even make people crash in arenas now and log them out,aswell as the mmr cheat, pvp will never be balanced or a priority.
Guild-wars 2 is your game,and Diablo 3 looks good.
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kuide posted:
Guild-wars 2 is your game,and Diablo 3 looks good.
Indeed!
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If there was a reason to world pvp, like some sort of ability point system it would be amazing. I would probably resub, but as of now the pvp in wow is a joke.
The Pve in wow is on par or better than all other mmo's currently on the market it seems. But the pvp is probably near the worst. They could fix it and appeal to both markets, but it seems to me that Blizz doesn't know how or just doesn't care.
Judging the latest downturn in subs, I am interested to see if they make an attempt at some sort of a huge change in open world pvp to take back that pvp market that they lost somewhere in season 3 rofl.
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Arena, bro. SO good, they made it an eSport.
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In the Q&A this week, they revealed they are making PVE gear viable in PVP again and pretty much just giving everyone free resilience.
Can't decide if this is going to help pvp or finally kill it off LOL.
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Spookysheep posted:
In the Q&A this week, they revealed they are making PVE gear viable in PVP again and pretty much just giving everyone free resilience.
Can't decide if this is going to help pvp or finally kill it off LOL.
It will help.
Right now, the raider can't even PvP casually and have a hope of even a little bit of fun with no resilience gear.
However, the PvPer can definitely raid casually with all PvP gear.
There's no parity there.
As long as the BEST PvP gear comes from PvP ONLY and the BEST raid gear comes from raiding ONLY, and as long as you can still PvP in raid gear or still raid in PvP gear (albeit both at a casual level) then the proposed change will make PvP better because more people will participate in it.
On a side note, not related to the post I quoted, I think it's funny that people feel like they should be able to force others to play what they want to and if they can't, the devs should enact some rules to make it so that they can. Yeah, it's dumbassery of the first order imo to play on a PvP server if you don't feel like dealing with world PvP while you quest or do dailies, but that's the prerogative of the player.
Just because YOU want to stealth around and gank people while they want to quest or whatnot, doesn't mean that they should be forced to allow you to lol. If they level in dungeons solely and opt out of dealing with your stupid level 37 twink ganking game, then you should probably STFU and deal with it. PvP servers are about choice, or so all of you folks claim they are, but in the end, many of you don't actually want that. Ironic? Maybe. Predictable? Absolutely.
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Cawlin,
It absolutely makes it more fun for me knowing that the most dangerous thing in ANY area is an enemy player.
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GutterSludge posted:
Cawlin,
It absolutely makes it more fun for me knowing that the most dangerous thing in ANY area is an enemy player.
That's fine, I don't have a problem with that. I don't see what that has to do with my post though, or what it has to do with this thread or the OP either...
If someone feels like leveling on a PvP server by going through the LFD the whole time and avoiding the whole "gank me while I'm questing" bit, why should anyone care?
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PvP servers are about choice, or so all of you folks claim they are, but in the end, many of you don't actually want that.
My short post was in response to this statement.
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I don't see what that has to do with my post though, or what it has to do with this thread or the OP either...
Guttersludge posted:
Nothing really.
Ah, OK.
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Its ok, Cawlin. Read it a few more times, and perhaps it will register.
PVP servers aren't for everyone. If you want to 'win' every single time you sit down, then they are definitely not for you.
Of course, we already knew this about you.
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GutterSludge posted:
I still got nothing.
Yeah we know.
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The point is the world is empty. Not only are there no enemies but there are no allies either. Every quest hub is a ghost town and low level instance group finder is the reason. This game is basically guild wars now with no pvp.
I suggest making it so the xp is greatly reduced in those low level instances on pvp servers. Something needs to be done to make it a game world again instead of back to back instances.
I play on a PVE server and is largely the same in areas for levels below 80.
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any decent pvp battles were in the first 6 months of the game.
large scale guild on guild. the kind where one person gets ganked by 2 or 3. calls in guildies (and they show up)...
other guild calls for help and it keeps escalating to you have a 20 on 20 or 30 on 30 fight for a zone. Those were fun.
And they weren't done for points. or gear.
I prefer pvp servers but i rarely go out of my way to kill other players. I often will quest near others unless they start something. I rarely gank lowbies. Getting popped with today's rule sets means nothing other than losing a bit of time. So i don't see the big deal. I've been ganked by higher levels. As long as the same person doesn't set up a tent. Big deal.
What it does provide to the game is a variable that's out of the player's direct control. I can't use X cooldown while killing mobs because i might need it if i get jumped. It's looking over your shoulder constantly. That appeals to some. Doesn't to others.
I played on both servers but i get bored faster leveling up on pve servers. There just isn't any anticipation of something different. Plus if someone of opposite faction is killing same mobs and there is a shortage I can do something about it. If there is a gold farmer in the area of opposite faction. I can do something about it.
Variety. For me that's all it is.
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Well said, although Cawlin still won't get it.
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my latest toons, 1 of each pvp & pve, both went 1-45ish without a pvp encounter and with very minimal same faction encounters.
what do you propose for a fix? reset everyone to level 1 and greatly increase the experience per level?
leveling is QUICK now...people have already leveled...not to hard to figure out why you cant pvp while leveling.
stick around for MoP...there will be lots of new toons to gank.
my most frustrating time spent was always Duskwood...you couldn't spend 2 minutes alive due to constant ganking.
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Well said, although Cawlin still won't get it.
I get it perfectly. You don't really have anything to say relevant to my argument so you'd like to just talk about why you play on a PvP server.
What do your assertions have to do with my remarks about people wanting to FORCE people to PvP with them while leveling?
I fully understand that some people like the "thrill" of knowing that they could be engaged in combat at any point. I also fully understand that many people on PvP servers really just play there to try to gank other people and when they run short of targets to harass, they want to change the ruleset to FORCE people to come out and be ganked. I also understand that MOST people on PvP servers don't *really* want to be on PvP servers anymore since they work so hard to avoid PvP conflicts by leveling entirely in dungeons and the like.
It's all pretty ridiculous in truth, which I think you guys know, and which is also why I think you keep on with your various affirmations about why you still play on such a server.
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I also fully understand that many people on PvP servers really just play there to try to gank other people and when they run short of targets to harass, they want to change the ruleset to FORCE people to come out and be ganked.
Lmao. You have a full understanding of why crybabies who pout when they die need to stick to PVE realms.
Have you even ever played on a PVP realm?
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I also fully understand that many people on PvP servers really just play there to try to gank other people and when they run short of targets to harass, they want to change the ruleset to FORCE people to come out and be ganked.
Lmao. You have a full understanding of why crybabies who pout when they die need to stick to PVE realms.
Have you even ever played on a PVP realm?
I did actually. I started the game out on Arthas.
Again, what's that have to do with people wanting to force others to play "gank me while I'm questing" on PvP servers instead of leveling via the LFD?
If this is all you have, maybe you should just stop blathering. I keep asking you what your remarks have to do with anything, and you keep coming up short on answers. What else you got, thumper?
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The problem you're speaking of cawlin and some others have above isn't a problem that's limited to PvP servers. The leveling via all those other methods LFD etc takes people out of the world. This true whether it's a pvp server or a pve server. They aren't doing it necessarily to avoid pvp but usually because it's faster. Or as in the case of an old game they don't want to see the world anymore.
PvP servers are affected more by alternative methods of leveling because simply as the numbers dwindle down it takes away from the world of the RPG.
In an old game I guess it doesn't really matter. But in a new game, Experiencing the world should be a prime factor in leveling imo.
I don't really like the use of the word "forced" either in this case. Since playing a pvp server is a choice.
Also just as an aside. I don't consider arenas to be true pvp. World pvp is adaptation on the move or fly. Arenas are get the right group make up. Communicate. Kill certain groups in a certain order. Rotate CCs etc etc.
I'll take the 1 on 1s. or Jump shooting and kiting across ungoro a 1 on 3. And those times are long gone.
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So, Cawlin, any change to PVP realms affects you in what way again? Forces you to do what?
Nothing, because you couldn't hack it on a PVP realm, and only play PVE now. (you know, that CHOICE you made?)
So, your idea of "forced to be ganked" is just ignorant, absurd, and laughable.
Nothing new from you.
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I think the real root of the problem is that we are all getting old IRL and since we don't heal as fast after bar fights, we just go online and re-live our glory days while saying "I'm coming honey, just let me gank this one last noob!"
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The problem you're speaking of cawlin and some others have above isn't a problem that's limited to PvP servers. The leveling via all those other methods LFD etc takes people out of the world. This true whether it's a pvp server or a pve server. They aren't doing it necessarily to avoid pvp but usually because it's faster. Or as in the case of an old game they don't want to see the world anymore.
PvP servers are affected more by alternative methods of leveling because simply as the numbers dwindle down it takes away from the world of the RPG.
In an old game I guess it doesn't really matter. But in a new game, Experiencing the world should be a prime factor in leveling imo.
I don't really like the use of the word "forced" either in this case. Since playing a pvp server is a choice.
Also just as an aside. I don't consider arenas to be true pvp. World pvp is adaptation on the move or fly. Arenas are get the right group make up. Communicate. Kill certain groups in a certain order. Rotate CCs etc etc.
I'll take the 1 on 1s. or Jump shooting and kiting across ungoro a 1 on 3. And those times are long gone.
It's one thing to lament the changing mind of the playerbase. In this case, the playebase has changed its preference. If there were enough people interested in playing "gank me while I'm questing", then they would be out there doing it. Instead there's a lot of folks who are just running instances, and a very few running around stealthed up, crying that they can't find anyone to ambush.
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I STILL got nothing, and in fact, I am having trouble understanding the conversation, usually the big people send me off to bed when they start talking.
/chuckle
Dude, is English a second language for you? You're not even trying to stay on topic or answer my questions. Seriously man gtfo if you have nothing to contribute. My contribution is laughing at people whining that their play style should be forced on others.
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My contribution is laughing at people whining that their play style should be forced on others.
I've been laughing at you about this very topic for years.
From the OP:
"If there was a reason to world pvp, like some sort of ability point system it would be amazing"
I have been saying this would be 10x better then Arena since Arena came to be.
Stay on topic?
I think you have Alzheimer's, I've championed this topic for my entire existence on these forums.
Fighting 1 vs 4 while defending a town should be more rewarding in-game than any Esport.
Earning Honorable kills while in enemy territory (These areas have RED letters for those like Cawlin who are scared of PVP realms) should be more rewarding than any Esport.
Ive said it all 100 times, its not really about winning or losing, its about the combat itself. We know, Cawlin, that your idea of skill is to run the same scripted encounters 500 times then run to the mailbox to show off your shiny Epics, but not everyone is satisfied with calling that a challenge, nor would they say that skill is required to do so.....
....just 24 other morons, and a decent youtube video.
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NO U! and I still got nothin'...
/chuckle
Okie, well you let me know there chief, when you have something to talk about.
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Not really much to discuss.
I'm right, and you are still floundering around with attempted trolling/baiting.
Some things never change.
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And all of your are still glossing over the point that healing after a real life bar fight in your 40's just plain SUCKS!
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Not really much to discuss.
I'm right, and you are still floundering around with attempted trolling/baiting.
Some things never change - mostly the fact that I still got nothing.
What are you right about? You haven't made an argument, you surely haven't responded to my argument.
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And all of your are still glossing over the point that healing after a real life bar fight in your 40's just plain SUCKS!
This is true
It took me 48 hours to recover from the pounding of just shooting 6 rounds of trap with my 12ga the other day... 150 measly shots... ugh, felt like I was in a car wreck afterward.
*edit* and it was a g-damn semi auto, not even my double or pump... Christ I'm getting old
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But at least you are keeping your skills up for the pending zombie apocalypse.
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True. I've got about 1500 shotgun shells and another assorted 2k rounds of pistol and rifle brass that needs to be reloaded. Winter time fun... whee!
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Plus you are a main character so you are good to go!
Just don't stand near Korrigan or Boone when the zombies invade. Their brains will be eaten first and the zombies will still be starving, much like chinese food.
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If you really supported choice then you would recognize there is a portion of the playerbase who enjoys actually having choice and risk in their play.
The dumb thing is that this choice exists for all players at all times. Hell, you can play this way on a PvE server, just run around permaflagged. Those who want to play along with you are free to do the same. Further, on a PvP server, the choice exists for players to stay out in the world leveling rather than doing so in instances. They CHOOSE to level in instances.
I think maybe you overestimate the number of people who want the playstyle you do, vastly, like a handful of other delusional folks have done for 7 years now. Your playstyle exists for those who want to enjoy it. Your frustration with finding people to share that style of play with should speak to the number of folks who share your wishes.
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Cawlin you're offbase.
People level with the path of least resistance. Especially in a game where they've seen everything over and over and over.
If WoW came out and gave triple xp for being flagged pvp and for mob kills in the real world then people would flock to it like crazy. And I would be wrong for saying it was due to pvp and therefore we need only pvp servers. The opposite is true for your argument.
Whether or not one engages in pvp has little to do with leveling in instances. At this point it's all about speed and efficiency.
Over the years I've had toons on pve servers that I would "escape" to when i wanted to get away from guild BS. There is no doubt that I could level faster on them. But there is also no doubt that for me it was also incredibly boring. I'd have to get up from computer more to keep from getting drowsy. But i could also go afk whenever i wanted as well which was nice.
Both types of servers have their place. I don't really see why people bother arguing that the other way is "wrong" or trys to belittle the other style.
tldr- Game dynamics dictate people's leveling style. Don't use it to justify your style.
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LOL! You are both off base.
I'm not justifying anything.
I'm pointing out the FACT that the playstyle choice you want exists, it just so happens that very few other people also want to play the way you want.
You people are so wrapped up in the PvP/PvE server thing that you think everything is about that. It's not. The playstyle you want has been borne out to be a niche at best, by the choices of the VAST majority of the playerbase.
If it really mattered to people to play the way you want them to, they would play that way. It just doesn't matter to many people and they prefer playing a different way.
If more people preferred to gank and be ganked while questing, then more people would simply quest out in the open world and have at it. They don't prefer to do so, so they don't play that way. It's really that simple.
Instance leveling is not faster by the way, unless you're a tank, than leveling by questing, and even then, I think if you know the quests you can beat the rate of leveling by questing as a tank. If you are a plain old DPS class, you will level MUCH MUCH faster questing in the open world than by waiting for instance queues alone. People have already taken the "uphill" choice to avoid the playstyle you want... that should tell you something.
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Wow I really thought I had found some common ground with you upon which a healthy discussion could take place. It seems that Guttersludge is right about you. You really don't read or comprehend the points being made if they at all differ from your own.
Instances are not the uphill route and any sane person knows that. Dps players just fill their queue time with crafting or internet browsing. Its much easier to just sit in town and wait on your queue then to go out and try to find a quest up to start leveling. The rewards for doing so in quick xp and gear are far superior than the effort required to quest even if there is a wait time for each instance. Even PVE players do this where there is ZERO risk to questing.
LOL
The point is that it's not faster to level this way, not even remotely for DPS classes in particular. Having leveled 3 separate tanks via the dungeon finder, it's about a tie for leveling that way vs. leveling via questing, with questing pulling ahead if you know the quests already.
I read and comprehend your points perfectly. You fail to comprehend mine.
Ask yourself this question first:
Why do people avoid questing to level?
The answer to your problem is not to FORCE those same people out into the world to quest - that is the exact OPPOSITE of choice and only an imbecile would fail to see this.
If you want a 3rd (5th?) server ruleset for the 12 of you people who would be playing on it after 3 months, then say that, but don't pretend like the poor, starving, downtrodden PvPers are being held back by the man and his out of balance XP gain rates for instancing vs. questing.
Players on both PvP and PvE servers CHOOSE to level in instances not because it's faster (it's not), but because they'd rather not deal with people like you and because they can "play" and "level" (albeit more slowly and less efficiently) while cruising pr0n in between instance runs. The instance gear is nice for sure, but is surely NOT necessary to level and with the speed gained by questing in the open world, it's hardly worth it to delay yourself in an instance queue just to get a piece of gear you can level out of tomorrow night.
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This is the most butthurt reply I've ever seen. Clearly you project your own feelings of inadequacy in PvP onto the rest of the playerbase. Just because YOU hide in instances to avoid PvP doesn't mean everyone else does. The rest of us are able to see the issue clearly and that is instancing provides greater rewards and xp for the time invested. Thus everyone runs instances. I LOVE pvp and when I want to level fast I queue instances, just like everyone else, because it is the FASTEST way to level.
LMAO! You're the one who CREATED this thread just so you could bitch that everyone was hiding in instances. The butthurt is strong with you Nancy.
I level by questing because if I am leveling a character, it's because I want to get it to 85 as fast as possible. The fastest way to do that is questing, period. If I want to level a tank, I do much of that in instances but that's just because I really like tanking and dislike melee characters otherwise. Because a tank will have instant queues for an instance, it is a tolerable rate of leveling, but slower than if I'd simply respec to a DPS spec and level by questing.
You're not even a good troll dude, I think you're either a Guttersludge alt or just another random monkey that wants a speshul ruleset for your playstyle.
Seriously, why do you think people avoid questing to level? Have you even figured this out yet? What makes you think that taking that choice away from them will make them want to come out and be ganked by your twinked rogue that now has nobody to stomp in the level banded BGs?
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Always something in WoW needing a fix. I only skimmed a few of the posts here. So my comments are likely of little use.
My very first toon at release leveled to 60 on a PvP server. Stranglethorn Vale and Ungoro Crater ... the joy! The agony! Gadgetzan. Blarg! Since I came to WoW from DAOC (way back when), when I would hear of attacks on Southshore or whatever, I would often head out to take part in the fight, partly out of a sense of duty like in the relic raids of DAOC. Back in those days there was no honor armor, no battlegrounds. And then, and now, there was little if any reward for world PvP.
Maybe I am wrong, but a lot of people spend their time in the game getting gear. Even if you mostly PvP, you spend a lot of time doing that PvP to get gear.
My point in this being, there really is no decent reward for world PvP ... except maybe the mount for killing world leaders. Make those leaders drop some uber loot and maybe more people would care about it.
There are a lot of failed / unpopular games out there that struggle to try and mix PvP with PvE. Apparently it isn't all that easy.
All my toons are on PvE server now. I wouldn't go back to a PvP server if Blizzard let me play for free. Too many punks out there wanting to gank. I have been ganked aplenty. And I have called on guild mates to come help out. It can be fun to a point. But, it gets old fast.
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All your replies are so sad panda. When you are wrong you go out of your way to convince yourself you are right. Its ok bud. I now think of you like the retarded kid. You can't help yourself and as such I have no malice towards you. You are a good leveler and we are very proud of you! What a good wow player you are! Who's a good wow player? You are! Yes you are! Hims is such a good wow player!
/chuckle
I can't imagine why nobody wants to come out and play with you, but the fact is that they've chosen to do otherwise. Maybe it's because your playstyle just isn't all that popular, hell it would seem that it's widely regarded as a terrible playstyle since so many people will level more slowly than to engage in the one you want them to. Either way though, it's not all that important. The bottom line is that the game has moved on and it doesn't warrant a whole other ruleset just to accommodate you, too bad, so sad.
In the end, you wind up realizing that you are just as I said, a crybaby whiner who wants to force people to play your way. If you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, you'd have capitulated when this was made clear to you well back in the thread. Alas, you lack both comprehension and self awareness. Perhaps I have given you the latter, though the former will require you to do some more work on your own.
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Always something in WoW needing a fix. I only skimmed a few of the posts here. So my comments are likely of little use.
My very first toon at release leveled to 60 on a PvP server. Stranglethorn Vale and Ungoro Crater ... the joy! The agony! Gadgetzan. Blarg! Since I came to WoW from DAOC (way back when), when I would hear of attacks on Southshore or whatever, I would often head out to take part in the fight, partly out of a sense of duty like in the relic raids of DAOC. Back in those days there was no honor armor, no battlegrounds. And then, and now, there was little if any reward for world PvP.
Same for me. I came to WoW directly from DAOC and started on a PvP server, and responded the same way initially to attacks on my faction's towns. The reward for doing it was the entertainment of the PvP itself. That was before even the Southshore/Tarren Mill days, but those days were fun too.
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Maybe I am wrong, but a lot of people spend their time in the game getting gear. Even if you mostly PvP, you spend a lot of time doing that PvP to get gear.
You're not wrong, that's the purpose of this game for all but a very select few who spent their time getting their sub-max level characters geared (twinked) up so they could curb stomp people in level banded BGs who were just trying to pass time in them.
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My point in this being, there really is no decent reward for world PvP ... except maybe the mount for killing world leaders. Make those leaders drop some uber loot and maybe more people would care about it.
There are a lot of failed / unpopular games out there that struggle to try and mix PvP with PvE. Apparently it isn't all that easy.
It isn't easy to do and still maintain any worthwhile reason to play both. Either you wind up with a good PvE game and terrrible PvP (WoW) or a great PvP game with terrible PvE (DAOC), or worst of all, a game with mediocre PvE and mediocre PvP (WAR).
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All my toons are on PvE server now. I wouldn't go back to a PvP server if Blizzard let me play for free. Too many punks out there wanting to gank. I have been ganked aplenty. And I have called on guild mates to come help out. It can be fun to a point. But, it gets old fast.
You said a mouthful there.
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I STILL got nothing except my unending butthurt. 
There are shards all over I'm told with a multitude of varied rulesets. You should probably just go and enjoy those. The live game is already crumbling from listening to too many divergent crybaby whiners like you all wanting to be treated like their own speshul snowflake.
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I'm not going to get into the vitriol on either side here but I will repeat.
Game dynamics affect most people's playstyle. Most people won't keep a certain playstyle regardless of changes.
If the rewards are significantly greater for pvp then people will choose it and vice versa. One needs only look at the increases to BG numbers when they jacked leveling rates in BGs a while back.
And for the record I don't care which way people play. I play on both types of servers. I'm merely pointing out that humans are fickle. And they will almost always choose that which benefits them most for the least amount of effort and time. (assuming awareness).
And also just as a disclaimer I stopped playing WoW 8 or 9 months ago. But my points are still valid.
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-Mythril- posted:
I'm not going to get into the vitriol on either side here but I will repeat.
Game dynamics affect most people's playstyle. Most people won't keep a certain playstyle regardless of changes.
If the rewards are significantly greater for pvp then people will choose it and vice versa. One needs only look at the increases to BG numbers when they jacked leveling rates in BGs a while back.
And for the record I don't care which way people play. I play on both types of servers. I'm merely pointing out that humans are fickle. And they will almost always choose that which benefits them most for the least amount of effort and time. (assuming awareness).
And also just as a disclaimer I stopped playing WoW 8 or 9 months ago. But my points are still valid.
Your points are valid, but you're conclusions from them are incorrect.
If people CARED enough to engage in whatever activity, they would do so. They don't care. They don't care about leveling faster, they just want to do it with the least hassle. Thus, they do it more slowly and in instances.
If you want more rewards for World PvP, that's one thing, but in the end, Blizzard's engine and more importantly, the hardware MOST people play with can't handle large scale PvP combat in WoW. So if you increased rewards for world PvP, you'd (possibly) increase numbers engaging in it (think back to SS/TM), and you'd very quickly run into server crashes and client slide shows just like back then.
As for leveling via PvP, I thought you could level in BGs now just as fast as instances or maybe faster? I have no idea, I haven't played a BG below max level in years...
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Thbbb posted:
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I'm willing to make myself look like an even bigger douche than I have to this point, just to prove that I'm STILL wrong.
Yeah I know, I'm getting a kick out of watching you melt down here, by all means, please continue.
Ok here's the first part of my stupid:
1. Fact: the same percentage of the player base on PVE server spend a majority of their time in instanced content as do on the PvP server.
Source?
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Here's the next part of my stupid...
2. #1 renders your arguement invalid that people on the PvP server are in instances because its safer and they won't die to big scawy ganky wogues.
...aaaand here's where I just drool on myself:
Now I will explain why. You see there are no big scawy ganky wogues on a PvE server. On that server they are fwiendly wogues. So see little fella? There is no weason to hide fwom them on the PvE server. If leveling is so fast through questing then why do the PvE players also spend most of their time in instances?
Wipe your chin there son.
Really? Your premise is that you can level faster with just instances than you can questing?
Also, where is your source information for the ratio of players on PvE vs. PvP servers leveling in instances vs. questing?
Further, people on PvE servers who are interested in leveling fast, do so by questing and MAYBE occasionally jumping into a dungeon queue if they need to complete a passel of quests in that dungeon, but by and large, this is a losing prospect as often as it helps.
One can only surmise as to why people on PvP servers avoid questing out in the open. I believe it's in part at least to avoid being ganked while they're pulling mobs as part of their quest. Obviously there are still at least a few like you who live for that (you created a thread about your desire to force people to come out and let you attack them while they're pulling mobs). I believe it's also in part because it actually requires you to actively play the game to level by questing.
You need to at least pay a bit of attention and be at the keyboard and actively moving your character along in order for leveling by questing to work out. In short, it takes a bit of effort, but takes less actual time. It is EASIER, but SLOWER, to level in the dungeon finder. It's not rocket science here dude.
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Nothing to fix, people will gravitate to that which they prefer.
You can kick and scream and stomp your feet all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the majority of people prefer to level in peace. Nothing you say, posit or spin will change that fact.
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Thbbb posted:
I re-re-re-reiterate: Please force other people to play the game the way I want them to.
Yeah, we heard you again, still really don't give a crap.
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Thbbb posted:
Enjoy your pvpless guildwars then retards.
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Nothing to fix, people will gravitate to that which they prefer.
You can kick and scream and stomp your feet all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the majority of people prefer to level in peace. Nothing you say, posit or spin will change that fact.
Leveling in peace has nothing to do with lack of world population on either pve or pvp servers.
Pick a server. Pick a leveling zone 1-70. PvE or PvP. Do a /who. There won't hardly be anyone there. It's a false argument to say that on a PvP server it's due to them wanting to level in peace. What would it be on the PvE server then?
There is no incentive to level in the world. WoW has lost the massive. Which is really why the ones who left have left. I can play solo games that are more engaging.
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Cawlin posted:
Thbbb posted:
Enjoy your pvpless guildwars then retards.
Haha! Yeah, I read all that and he is definitely mad.
Thbbb posted:
reasoning with morons is cumbersome
as such I yield this thread to your idiocy...long may be your rein
But I don't own a horse... 
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Can you really blame Blizzard for wanting to stay as far away from FFA PVP servers as possible? Incentivizing open-world play on PVP servers would mean they would have to fundamentally change their single-player (aka quest) system to actually reward grouping instead of penalizing it. They've been busy enough screwing up the 1-60 game last expansion -- I'm not sure you want them mucking with even more stuff they don't really understand.
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Cawlin is spot on with his comments about leveling speed.
Questing is 100% the fastest way to level. Especially these days. It is RIDICULOUS!
Personally I usually mix questing and random bg's just to have a little of both. (although random queues are almost instant on my server these days)
I'll hit 85 on my 9th toon tomorrow.
As an aside, I was questing with my 84 in Twilight Highlands earlier and fought an 84 hunter(3 times) and an 84 lock (twice) up around the area where you tame the drakes.
I was only on for about an hour..
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-Mythril- posted:
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Nothing to fix, people will gravitate to that which they prefer.
You can kick and scream and stomp your feet all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the majority of people prefer to level in peace. Nothing you say, posit or spin will change that fact.
Leveling in peace has nothing to do with lack of world population on either pve or pvp servers.
Pick a server. Pick a leveling zone 1-70. PvE or PvP. Do a /who. There won't hardly be anyone there. It's a false argument to say that on a PvP server it's due to them wanting to level in peace. What would it be on the PvE server then?
There is no incentive to level in the world. WoW has lost the massive. Which is really why the ones who left have left. I can play solo games that are more engaging.
Funny, this thread was about PvP servers. As far as a /who, I see people in all kinds of zones all the time on the PvE server I play on. I gave up on playing on a PvP server cuz of the jackasses who like to screw with you while you are questing. Frankly, WoW would be 1000% better without PvP, or purely instanced PvP.
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I gave up on playing on a PvP server cuz of the jackasses who like to screw with you while you are questing. Frankly, WoW would be 1000% better without PvP, or purely instanced PvP.
So, you played on a PVP server, but didn't want to PVP?
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As an aside, I was questing with my 84 in Twilight Highlands earlier and fought an 84 hunter(3 times) and an 84 lock (twice) up around the area where you tame the drakes.
I was only on for about an hour..
And there is nothing at all wrong with that. Hey, if you all had a good time, then great, I'm glad you enjoyed your gaming experience. That is as it should be. The people who don't want to be bothered with such things simply skip it and level in instances and they trade off being sidetracked by world PvP for leveling more slowly. I question why those people who would forego the world PvP/ganking for instance leveling are playing on a PvP server of course, and find their choice to do so absurd, but that's just my opinion, and it doesn't mean that they should be FORCED to quest outside of instances to level. To each their own I suppose.
*edit* and for the record I don't think Blizzard ever should have let people transfer their characters from non-PvP servers to PvP ones, but I realize that with the dungeon finder there is precious little difference for those who want to avoid questing.
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If you want people who are leveling up to fight, go to a pvp server that is set for new players and start leveling up and pvping.
Since the Blizz Devs, the geniuses that they are decided to mix PVP server players with PVE server players in BG's it is much easier for a PVP server players to gank causal PVP players from PVE servers and pretend they have skill than it is to do PVP on PVP servers where it takes real skill.
It is also one of the reasons why today we have some of the most lopsided BG battles in the history of WoW.
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