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•Use of unauthorized third-party software or macros with the Software may be prohibited in the sole discretion of Turbine. Specifically, you may not use third-party software which allows your character to gain experience points or items by engaging in combat without being at the keyboard, ready to respond to Turbine staff on demand (this activity is commonly called a “Combat Macro”). Logging off as soon as an admin appears (visible or invisible) or when an admin tries to speak with you will be taken into consideration in determining the use of Combat Macros.

Since Turbine decided to include this reminder on the game launcher I thought I might post it here for all you trolls that miss it, that way you will know why I reported you for UCMing.

 

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No one cares.

 

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No one cares.

 

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kerrek_nalanthi posted:
•Use of unauthorized third-party software or macros with the Software may be prohibited in the sole discretion of Turbine. Specifically, you may not use third-party software which allows your character to gain experience points or items by engaging in combat without being at the keyboard, ready to respond to Turbine staff on demand (this activity is commonly called a “Combat Macro”). Logging off as soon as an admin appears (visible or invisible) or when an admin tries to speak with you will be taken into consideration in determining the use of Combat Macros.

Since Turbine decided to include this reminder on the game launcher I thought I might post it here for all you trolls that miss it, that way you will know why I reported you for UCMing.



Thray, if you want to try like the soap box king, do you want me to start reporting your direct vassals I run past in that are AFK for 22 of the 24+ hours they're there?


Also, Zymzii's reply to this subject on the Turbine forums,

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Every now and then we like to remind everyone about account security, for AC that includes being careful about third party applications.

It's been a while since we reminded everyone that you should not share your information with applications that may store or require it in order to use and that third party applications are not supported by Turbine.

 

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oh they mean like dual client? lol ahahahahahahahaha.

 

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Only people that UCM or UXPGM at withered use dual client!

 

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As old as this game is and as many people as there are that are maxed I am frankly amazed that anyone really gives a crap.

 

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Puncture is giving the UCM on FF hell tongue

 

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As old as this game is and as many people as there are that are maxed I am frankly amazed that anyone really gives a crap.


Lots of new crowd and returnees trying to level up. Quest griefing still seems to be alive and well too. Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD. The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn.

 

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As old as this game is and as many people as there are that are maxed I am frankly amazed that anyone really gives a crap.


Lots of new crowd and returnees trying to level up. Quest griefing still seems to be alive and well too. Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD, sure we take 4 hours to run quest that takes a good clan 20 mins to run 40 toons through but we are still elite and the best out there! The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn.


Fixed the facts for you.


If you want to toss out claims you can at least grow the balls to provide a name. Then again I guess I shouldn't expect real "brains" from Brainiac, she/he has you and Thray under him/her.

 

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For your own good - you going red should be against the CoC




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Mrs_Adventure posted:
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As old as this game is and as many people as there are that are maxed I am frankly amazed that anyone really gives a crap.


Lots of new crowd and returnees trying to level up. Quest griefing still seems to be alive and well too. Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD, sure we take 4 hours to run quest that takes a good clan 20 mins to run 40 toons through but we are still elite and the best out there! The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn.


Fixed the facts for you.


If you want to toss out claims you can at least grow the balls to provide a name. Then again I guess I shouldn't expect real "brains" from Brainiac, she/he has you and Thray under him/her.


Was me..

Instead of waiting forty minutes killing everything on the way down I ran ahead so I could go on a quest with nickk, and in the time that they took to finish (sure sure longer cause of me) I managed to do 2-4 quests worth 15k lum instead of the one that they were doing. I apologize to brain, didnt intend on the wait time, but I'm not going to kill lvl 100 luggies on the way down and miss out on triple the lum.

You can hate me now, but stop trying to play it off like I set out to mess up brains night, lol.. Cause upsetting people is my goal here. I'm just not going to miss out on other quests when this quest could have been done in the time it took me to run ahead..

 

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just the easy mode ones at Neftet Mrs A

 

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It just cracked me up reading the offical turbine boards where people were complaining about the one "UCM" that would reply to people who were in his area.

I mean who in the hell UCM and also responds! doesn't he get the purpose of UCM?!?! tongue


 

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Thought I would clarify things a bit.

First of all, I did find out that the quest in question that Brain was running was Apostate Excavation, so the wait time should only have been 5 minutes, not 20 minutes. (The perpetrator was Danali). However, the wait was not the issue as much as the action of disrespect to Brain and the others on the quest.

The reason I posted that particular situation was because that was the 3rd incident of that nature involving Blackmancer clanmates. Not only that, but that incident is one of the primary reasons that Brain is now seriously considering no longer running open server quests.

The other 2 incidents were my runs of Mukkir slayer (Pontifix) and Bloodstone Investigation (Matchstick, Death Mage and one other who I cannot remember the name).

I seriously hope that this will not be an ongoing situation. I thought that the Blackmancer threat to disrupt my quests was a resolved issue.

 

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Mrs_Adventure posted:
Gibbon_raver posted:
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As old as this game is and as many people as there are that are maxed I am frankly amazed that anyone really gives a crap.


Lots of new crowd and returnees trying to level up. Quest griefing still seems to be alive and well too. Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD, sure we take 4 hours to run quest that takes a good clan 20 mins to run 40 toons through but we are still elite and the best out there! The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn.


Fixed the facts for you.

If you want to toss out claims you can at least grow the balls to provide a name. Then again I guess I shouldn't expect real "brains" from Brainiac, she/he has you and Thray under him/her.


*shrug* The only reason I did not provide a name was minimal respect to the perpetrator's privacy.

In any case, I challenge you. 200 mmds (I am poor). I will call the quest and the number of people. The people would be a random selection and assortment of levels from outside your clan. No deaths, all get rewards, length of run.

 

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Gibbon_raver posted:
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[quote=Reapist]As old as this game is and as many people as there are that are maxed I am frankly amazed that anyone really gives a crap.


Lots of new crowd and returnees trying to level up. Quest griefing still seems to be alive and well too. Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD, sure we take 4 hours to run quest that takes a good clan 20 mins to run 40 toons through but we are still elite and the best out there! The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn.


Fixed the facts for you.

If you want to toss out claims you can at least grow the balls to provide a name. Then again I guess I shouldn't expect real "brains" from Brainiac, she/he has you and Thray under him/her.


*shrug* The only reason I did not provide a name was minimal respect to the perpetrator's privacy.

In any case, I challenge you. 200 mmds (I am poor). I will call the quest and the number of people. The people would be a random selection and assortment of levels from outside your clan. No deaths, all get rewards, length of run.

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Ut oh, **** just got real.

 

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Then you already know I would pick the one quest you cant beat because you're a failure at this game and quests. Like I said you're far from the "premier quest clan" on the server. You might be the premier public quest leader, but far from the premier quest clan or even quest runner.


*EDIT*

I'm more then willing to do your challenge, but let me know when you want to get serious on it. I'll do 10,000MMD's that says I can lead a group of 180+ toons that have the right spells and wands. When you can met that part of the challenge, let me know. You still pick the players, but I get to pick if they're qualified enough to go.

 

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Seems like a Brainiac clan -vs- Blackmancer clan who can beat col bet.


GET IT ON.

 

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Chainz_TD posted:
Seems like a Brainiac clan -vs- Blackmancer clan who can beat col bet.


GET IT ON.



Can we make it fair? Mancers clan can only use sub level 200 mules on the run happy

 

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Just have me as a mage as one of the 9, i am a liability.

 

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If we use our mains we only need 5 people to beat Colo now lol so you can take your level 1 mage if you want.

 

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Berek I'll sell you my diemos flagged account if you want so you can finally have the Colosseum champion title..if you'd like?

 

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Then you already know I would pick the one quest you cant beat because you're a failure at this game and quests. Like I said you're far from the "premier quest clan" on the server. You might be the premier public quest leader, but far from the premier quest clan or even quest runner.


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I'm more then willing to do your challenge, but let me know when you want to get serious on it. I'll do 10,000MMD's that says I can lead a group of 180+ toons that have the right spells and wands. When you can met that part of the challenge, let me know. You still pick the players, but I get to pick if they're qualified enough to go.


Preference and skill at one single quest, does not, in any way, preclude a claim of quest capabilities, especially with the fact that you are being highly selective of who can and cannot participate as well as the limit of the number of players (9). That is counter to my entire point. Quite true, I am not excelled at running colosseum, but my point and challenge to indicate quest leadership ability was to take ANY quest, with ANY number of people, with NO player prejudice (other than a quest level\society requirement) and successully lead it.

Certainly, as a side bet we can pit clan vs clan in col, but I would most likely ask Neo to lead it.

Of course, claiming to be a premier quest clan is subjective at best, but we run so many quests at all levels on a daily basis, that I do not hesitate to make that claim. Brain, Neo, Nythak, Hikaru, Gabriel, etc. run many sub level 80 or 100 quests to get character flaggings and nice low level quest items.

You may not accept this statement, since it is from me, but col is not the be all end all to quest adventure and AC play in general.

However, if you want to be serious about the bet, I will raise it to 500 mmds (I will have to find a backer, lol) and we will run 5 quests, you can pick col and I will pick the other 4.

In any case, I believe that you are simply trolling and know that other than col you and your clan can prove nothing and even then we could probably give you a good run, of course, we would have to fall into your elitism protocols.

 

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Mrs_Adventure posted:
If we use our mains we only need 5 people to beat Colo now lol so you can take your level 1 mage if you want.


Has anyone beat col starting from room 1? I would think that would be quite a feat.

 

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If you really want this then we can drop colo and other party members and do a real test of your claim...

  • You pick 3 quests, I'll pick two(colo wont be one of them)


  • Single account use only


  • time recorded from start to end


  • Best time across all 5 events wins the contest


  • We find a 3rd group to judge and record, mostly because you don't trust my guys and I don't trust you.


  • A side rule if you want it, "no rares, a true test of knowledge and skill of the player"


    On top of that I will give you the fact that you are the "premier PUBLIC quest clan on TD", but you are far from being the "premier quest clan". I'm not saying that my clan is by any means either. Every large and or small clan does their own quests, and do it quicker and easier then your quests. I've yet to see brain have to pause a quest and go afk to check the steps or check the map, so I'm not even going to mention it as "your clan" anymore. It's just a "you" thing and how you feel your "e-peen" is so large when its really not.

     

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    Mrs_Adventure posted:
    If you really want this then we can drop colo and other party members and do a real test of your claim...

  • You pick 3 quests, I'll pick two(colo wont be one of them)


  • Single account use only


  • time recorded from start to end


  • Best time across all 5 events wins the contest


  • We find a 3rd group to judge and record, mostly because you don't trust my guys and I don't trust you.


  • A side rule if you want it, "no rares, a true test of knowledge and skill of the player"


    On top of that I will give you the fact that you are the "premier PUBLIC quest clan on TD", but you are far from being the "premier quest clan". I'm not saying that my clan is by any means either. Every large and or small clan does their own quests, and do it quicker and easier then your quests. I've yet to see brain have to pause a quest and go afk to check the steps or check the map, so I'm not even going to mention it as "your clan" anymore. It's just a "you" thing and how you feel your "e-peen" is so large when its really not.


    *shrug* It was your clan's quest griefing and your ad hominem attacks that brought it up. I simply described our clan as how I see it. A quest clan for all, and as such our clan name is "The Questers".

    Best time across all 5 events is not a valid measure. Quests are not equal. 10 minutes may be 50% of one quest, while 15% of another quest. The quests should be addressed individually, i.e., best 3 of 5. Also, there are a few other things to consider, such as, penalty for a player death, penalty for a player not getting the reward, number of players on the quest. For example, I would say that there should be a minimum of 15 players on any non-fellow quest. Players should be a random selection and level group from outside of either of our clans.

    EDIT: Yes, I would agree to no rares, GY rares included.

    EDIT2: Also, it may be that you are the better quest leader and I will gladly hand over the cash, but I seriously doubt that the difference will be anywhere near as staggering as you so eloquently indicated. Also, I would like to point out that your insult was to the clan in general and to Brain specifically. It was not I who waved the epeen flag first, lol.

     

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    oops, I did make the first claim about our clan being the premier quest clan. I still think it is though, lol.

     

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    *SHAKE FIST FOR THE EDIT*

    I had a comeback pointing out that I never mentioned the clan thray was in, and you were the first to fire but you caught your self tongue


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    oops, I did make the first claim about our clan being the premier quest clan. I still think it is though, lol.



    That's fine, the only point I'll still fight you on is adding "public" to that ;p

    I would say privately run or clan only quest runs, there are a few clans far ahead of you. But for public quests you are number 1.

    If only you two boobs could get in order and not try to out quest each other! I still withhold the right to laugh every time I see you call out for a "premier" quest just to have brain start her/his own call out 10 mins later and both scheduled to leave at the same time! Yeah yours are the higher level, XP, and MFK or Lum quests but most of those players also have a toon they want to take on Brains quest as well and they have to make the call.. high easy XP vs quest for their newer toon. tongue


    I don't lead quests for one reason... I look at the BS you do and deal with and realize its not worth the headache when I can get 3 or 4 clan members and do any quest we need when ever we want.

     

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    Well, it seems that I am guilty of douchebaggery. I could have sworn that one of the problematic persons on the Bloodstone Investigation quest was Death Mage, but apparently that is Hot Shot. I will see if GT or Nick recalls who the other 2 persons were. If they cannot remember or ascertain that it was not Death Mage, then I will forfeit my challenge and will give Drainne the 500 mmds.

    I am sorry Hot, you are a decent fellow.

     

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    Thank You - I appreciate the apology Berek.

    I did not want to get dragged into this drama. But now that you have my attention due to your accusations the other night on /general - I will comment on your original post. I'll try to keep it short and straight to the point.

    Gibbon_raver posted:
    Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD.



    I'm sure everyone understands the meaning of premier, But here:

    Premier is defined as:
    - First in status or importance;
    - First to occur or exist; earliest.

    Adjectives for Premier include:
    Most important, influential, or significant: first, foremost, key, leading, main, major, number one, paramount, primary, prime, principal, top.



    You honestly believe you and your allegiance is most Important? Number One? Top? Leading? when it comes to questing on TD? I'll point out below how you are not in my opinion:


    1. Most Important? This leads me to believe you are just delusional to the fact that other allegiances and players on TD do things without you. Simply because other allegiances do not run "public" quests as often as yours means very little when obtaining a title of "premeir quest clan of TD". You may think you are most important. But if you and your allegiance stopped running these quest I assure you it would affect the majority of TD very little.

    2. You stated "The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn." Tell me? How does someone who is "premier" or number one get beat to the finish line and end up Number Two? If you truely are the best shouldn't you finish first? I've heard, and seen many complaints when it comes to time invested into your simple quests. It should not take this long to complete these quests.

    3. In my eyes, you, or your allegiance is not Top. In fact you are the exact opposite. You are the kindergarden teachers of AC TD questing. You teach, instruct, and assist beginners on how to do quests that have been out for months - years even. Write ups, step by steps have been posted on websites like wiki on how to do the quest. You teach them their "ABC's" and this is not difficult by any means. Who was the first to complete Colo? Who was the first to complete Arebax? These are the people who lead the way and are at the TOP of questing. Not someone who completes these quests months later after the road has been paved.

    4. Leading I'm sure everyone can agree with this: Colosseum takes great leadership. It also requires the completion of many many other quests for slayers and what not. It isn't as much of a challenge as it was prior to the introduction of the new loot tier, 8s, epics, etc, etc. Not to mention how easily accessible and cheap rares are now. It was introduced in February 2007.... I give props to the true great leaders who completed the quest years before easy mode. These individuals should be awarded with a title such as the one you have attempted to claim Berek. Much has changed since this time. But with that aside - surely someone who believes he/she is the "premier" the best leader of TD Questing would have led a few win runs on a challenge such as this by now?




    I understand and respect what you do. I truly do Berek. It takes a lot of time and self sacrifice no doubt. But you and your allegiances are in no way "the premier quest clan on TD". I'm sorry to knock you off your pedestal.



     

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    Gibbon_raver posted:
    Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD.


    I'm sure everyone understands the meaning of premier, But here:

    Premier is defined as:
    - First in status or importance;
    - First to occur or exist; earliest.

    Adjectives for Premier include:
    Most important, influential, or significant: first, foremost, key, leading, main, major, number one, paramount, primary, prime, principal, top.

    You honestly believe you and your allegiance is most Important? Number One? Top? Leading? when it comes to questing on TD? I'll point out below how you are not in my opinion:




    Perhaps I used the term "premier" out of context. My meaning is and has been that ours is a clan that has a primary focus on running quests and perhaps that we run more quests, in general, than other clans.

    Hot_Shot_TD posted:

    2. You stated "The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn." Tell me? How does someone who is "premier" or number one get beat to the finish line and end up Number Two? If you truely are the best shouldn't you finish first? I've heard, and seen many complaints when it comes to time invested into your simple quests. It should not take this long to complete these quests.



    For some reason that I do not understand this seems to be difficult to comprehend by the likes of you and Drainne. Herding a group of 15 persons (from different clans, different skill sets and different levels) through a quest takes significantly more time than 1 or 2 people running the same quest. Making sure that everyone is together and caught up, much less the more people you have the more likely you will have afks, disconnects, misunderstandings, getting\waiting for persons who have died, and, of course, the need for multiple boss respawns. (For example, it is not uncommon to have to kill the Paradox Queen a 2nd time, because someone died in the acid or fell in the portal and missed the Queen's corpse). Our goals are to not leave anyone behind and to make sure that everyone gets the reward, if at all possible. Yes, that takes a lot of extra time, but that is the way we quest.

    Hot_Shot_TD posted:


    4. Leading I'm sure everyone can agree with this: Colosseum takes great leadership. It also requires the completion of many many other quests for slayers and what not. It isn't as much of a challenge as it was prior to the introduction of the new loot tier, 8s, epics, etc, etc. Not to mention how easily accessible and cheap rares are now. It was introduced in February 2007.... I give props to the true great leaders who completed the quest years before easy mode. These individuals should be awarded with a title such as the one you have attempted to claim Berek. Much has changed since this time. But with that aside - surely someone who believes he/she is the "premier" the best leader of TD Questing would have led a few win runs on a challenge such as this by now?




    This is another common argument that I have replied to time and again. Colosseum is still (as Drainne pointed out above) a fairly highly selective group of persons. I simply do not nor have not tried to run col wins specifically due to that condition. I have never stated that I was the best leader or a premier leader. All I have stated was that I do not believe that those who critisize my quest time lines could do any better under the same circumstances. Also, as far as winning col, knowing the routine in great detail is key, which I have not made any real effort to learn.

     

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    Thought I would clarify things a bit.

    First of all, I did find out that the quest in question that Brain was running was Apostate Excavation, so the wait time should only have been 5 minutes, not 20 minutes.


    Yes.. you're right it should have been. Thanks for reinforcing my point.

     

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    Thought I would clarify things a bit.

    First of all, I did find out that the quest in question that Brain was running was Apostate Excavation, so the wait time should only have been 5 minutes, not 20 minutes.


    Yes.. you're right it should have been. Thanks for reinforcing my point.


    /e weeps for the future.

     

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    If you really want this then we can drop colo and other party members and do a real test of your claim...

  • You pick 3 quests, I'll pick two(colo wont be one of them)



  • That quest is a true demonstration of leadership and preparation to not allow it, even if he has yet to finish a successful run under his leadership.

     

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    While true Kurpal, there are other quests that can show how good a quester can be. A person could do a solo run on Aerbax's Citadel, hard as hell to solo but it is doable with out bugging him out to make it stupid easy. Same with Delving into Claude's Mind, stupid hard to solo, but it can be done. Even with the new spawns and tactics in the Colo GY, even it is harder now to solo, though it can still be done. Mukkir Aspect of Grael, also can be done solo.

    Doing quests like that might be "hard" or lets say difficult with a group, but to be able to solo them is even harder. Any single person with access to AC wiki and the ability to read can play the shepherd to a flock of sheep. But to be the shepherd with no flock and still get the same reward is even better. Knowing how to be a leader is way different then knowing how to lead.


    *EDIT* and thats not pointed at you Berek, just a response to Kurpal.

     

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    If you really want this then we can drop colo and other party members and do a real test of your claim...

  • You pick 3 quests, I'll pick two(colo wont be one of them)



  • That quest is a true demonstration of leadership and preparation to not allow it, even if he has yet to finish a successful run under his leadership.


    *shrug* Troll away, but the original point to the challenge was for Drainne to perform the same task in 20 minutes that he said takes me, or Brain, 4 hours (see the same statement by Hot). He chose to pull the col card, which was not a viable example to my point.

     

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    *EDIT* and thats not pointed at you Berek, just a response to Kurpal.


    I do not believe that for a minute, lol.

     

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    I am disappoint! You guys should be fighting bad monsters in the game, not each other. It makes Asheron weep.

     

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    Berek I think what people are trying to tell you is that there is no skill in reading a wiki walkthrough and plodding along taking 4 hours to do a 30 min quest.

    Maybe you should try actually leading a group on a new quest that has never been done yet. Then figuring out the best strategies on your own and not riding others coat tails.


    I have about 50 examples but here is a few off the top of my head.


    Every single Void Shadow quest I figured out on patch day solo and then took groups of people for the next 2 weeks until I ran out of toons to help on. Who was the first person on the server to do part 3 which is the hardest? It was Blackmancer solo with zero rares. I used that strategy and modified depending on the uberness of who went. I took anyone who had a timer up.


    Aerbax. There was no strategy or wiki walkthrough when I helped release him and got the kill on him. Those who died had to run the entire maze back to the end to rejoin the fight and we still beat him before most other servers. No rares.

    Uber Aerlinthe - Guess who figured that one out on TD first. I triggered the watchman and recruited the first 9 people to come MP that wanted to try that quest. It took 2 tries becase we had no idea what to expect at the end, but I went back with a strategy we owned it. No rares

    Castle of Lord Mhoire - Oh yea. Soloed it first on TD to figure it out. Then was 2nd to do it also to help the next closest guy to finishing it. Helped several others who asked or needed help. No rares


    There is so many smaller easier quests hardly worth mentioning but in case you are ever wondering who was in the first group or first to solo Forgotten Tunnels of Nyrleha, Prodigal Shadow, Prodigal Olthoi, Society Tactical Defense game, Prodigal Harby, every single Jester quest, etc, etc, etc, etc.


    You make me cry berek to trying to put your name into any conversation about good questers. Thor, Drainne, Azhrarn the Black, Jurist, Chavez Ding, G T, Fist-I, Rocklord, Optoman, Julian, Mithan all have helped blaze trails and I'll listen to any of them in a sentence about great questers but you just make me sad.


    None of the quests I mentioned require the amount of pure teamwork and leadership as coloseum which you seeem to avoid for some reason.

    Beating Col and killing Diemos is 10 times easier than it was back 2 years ago but its still a decent gauge of ones ability to either follow or lead effectively. I respect those people who do it today even if it is easier.

    I make no effort to do Col anymore but have 30-40 successful leads under my belt and another 100+ wins on top of that. Being the first person to kill Diemos and 11 Toons with Diemos access is a lot of experience so I don't blame you for trying to diminish col as a quest guage. I would if I were you also.

     

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    The only 2 points that I have presented were; 1) Blackmancer clanmates have been disrupting our quests and I would like them to please stop and 2) Do not criticize out of ignorance.

    Anything else brought forth are red herrings, trolls or self-congratulations.

    EDIT: "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way you are a mile away and have their shoes".

     

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    Gibbon_raver posted:
    The only 2 points that I have presented were; 1) Blackmancer clanmates have been disrupting our quests and I would like them to please stop and 2) Do not criticize out of ignorance.

    Anything else brought forth are red herrings, trolls or self-congratulations.




    Really? Read your own posts.

    You were the FIRST one to start this "self-congratulations" which has lead to the posting of others.

    Gibbon_raver posted:
    Our clan is the premier quest clan on TD.


    Gibbon_raver posted:
    oops, I did make the first claim about our clan being the premier quest clan. I still think it is though, lol.


    The responses that followed your posts were inquired, accurate and accounted for. They are peoples opinions on a subject such as "premier questing" and why you or your clan does not deserve such a tittle. People are entitled to their opinion on the subject. I'm sorry if they hurt. but you need to ACCEPT IT and move on.



    We are not trolling, or criticizing out of ignorance. I do not see how my post, drains or mancers are ignorant in anyway - they address something specifically you have said and we state our opinions on the subject. We do not lie or make up any facts or false claims - which leads me to this:

    In fact you started the trolls with false claims, accussing people and posting inacurate claims of events that took place. You have wrongly acussed people, stated facts that are untrue and later correct yourself time and time again. One might even say it is kind of "Ignorant"....

    Gibbon_raver posted:
    Thought I would clarify things a bit.

    First of all, I did find out that the quest in question that Brain was running was Apostate Excavation, so the wait time should only have been 5 minutes, not 20 minutes. (The perpetrator was Danali). However, the wait was not the issue as much as the action of disrespect to Brain and the others on the quest.

    The reason I posted that particular situation was because that was the 3rd incident of that nature involving Blackmancer clanmates. Not only that, but that incident is one of the primary reasons that Brain is now seriously considering no longer running open server quests.

    The other 2 incidents were my runs of Mukkir slayer (Pontifix) and Bloodstone Investigation (Matchstick, Death Mage and one other who I cannot remember the name).

    I seriously hope that this will not be an ongoing situation. I thought that the Blackmancer threat to disrupt my quests was a resolved issue.


    Maybe get your facts straight before accussing people. You have wrongly accussed myself and stated other facts which are untrue...

    The person who did cause this 5 MINUTE shock shock shock (YES 5 MINUTES) grief apologised and explained himself at the start of this thread:

    DanT1284 posted:


    Was me..

    Instead of waiting forty minutes killing everything on the way down I ran ahead so I could go on a quest with nickk, and in the time that they took to finish (sure sure longer cause of me) I managed to do 2-4 quests worth 15k lum instead of the one that they were doing. I apologize to brain, didnt intend on the wait time, but I'm not going to kill lvl 100 luggies on the way down and miss out on triple the lum.

    You can hate me now, but stop trying to play it off like I set out to mess up brains night, lol.. Cause upsetting people is my goal here. I'm just not going to miss out on other quests when this quest could have been done in the time it took me to run ahead..


    Can you please just accept the apology from him? But instead of accepting the apology you bluntly and rudely ignored the apology and continued on a rant... What more do you want?

    The way you continue to post, antagonize, and create drama leads me to believe you are:
    1. Very delusional
    2. Enjoy the attention
    3. Have some kind of "grudge"

    Read what people say Berek. Accept that not everyone sees you as the quester in which you have deluded onself; failure to recognize reality, and understand that this drama only continues because of you. If you honestly want it to stop:

    DROP IT PLEASE.

     

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    If I'm at the supermarket (grocery store...whatever you call it where you live...) and I have an overflowing cart, a crying baby, nothing on the belt yet...and someone comes up behind me with a gallon of milk, I let them go first. Even if they don't ask. Just me? Just wondering. Seems like a lot of drama over what amounts to a gallon of milk.

     

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    Rabiosa wins.

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    *shrug* My point, while I did have to correct details, is that there has been a pattern of disrespect by Blackmancer fellows. My rant was in response to the latest incident. My rants have always been in response to what I see as corrupted principals.

    Secondly, unless you can show that under the same circumstances and goals that you can complete a quest in a fraction of the time as I do, then your statements are out of ignorance.

    Lastly, speaking about reading what is posted, you and the others have posted a number of ad hominem attacks, insults and critical talking points with no basis at all.

    I will stop at this point, since it is clear that Blackmancer and some of his clan have no care or concerns about consideration and respect of others.

     

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    Rabiosa posted:
    If I'm at the supermarket (grocery store...whatever you call it where you live...) and I have an overflowing cart, a crying baby, nothing on the belt yet...and someone comes up behind me with a gallon of milk, I let them go first. Even if they don't ask. Just me? Just wondering. Seems like a lot of drama over what amounts to a gallon of milk.


    Nice try at an analogy, but not quite accurate. Perhaps, if a neighbor asked you for a ride to the grocery store and to help shop. While you were in an isle getting items, your neighbor decided he was done and didn't want to wait for you, so, he takes his things from the cart and leaves without telling you.

     

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    Maybe...except that implies that the *only* reason everyone went was to help Dano and he left you standing around with your thumb up your...um...nose. That doesn't quite seem to be the case either.

     

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    *shrug* My point, while I did have to correct details, is that there has been a pattern of disrespect by Blackmancer fellows. My rant was in response to the latest incident. My rants have always been in response to what I see as corrupted principals.



    Your response was about an incident that had nothing to do with the original post or anything in the replies before yours.


    The only ignorant person in this post is you Berek.

     

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    I havent seen this level of delusion in a long time.....lol.

    So Berek comes here spouting false accusations of people griefing him. Then inaccurate claims at being some premier quester. Then gets called on the BS and simply *shrugs* and spots more inaccurarate claims of some pattern of disrespect that didn't exist. As long as you keep saying it then your just begging for it to come true.


    You are so off your rocker I don't even think its worth trying to get along with you anymore. I have been accused of griefing by you for simply standing in the same dungeon you were in. And I was there first lol. Then you decided to grief my fellow by claiming one of the GY col keys that wasnt yours.


    Lastly stop with the notion that you own the quest from start to finish. You don't actually expect everyone who happens to be questing in a popular dungeon to go at the same snail pace as you??

    I agree 100% that if you have a group of people standing around a boss waiting for their turn to loot that anyone coming in after you is line jumping and can be considered griefing. If your killing and moving slowly at the top of a dungeon then the courteous thing to do is let the solo fast golfer play through and dont push your slow agenda on everyone else and force them behind you for an hour.


     

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    Oh anddd Mancer is the very best quest leader I've ever quested with. <3 Jason.

     

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    Zen Come back to TD and lets do some 2 man Dewain runs. Thats always a lot of fun.

    Thats why I love Thor, he comes back after 2 years and right away is doing stuff like that with me no problem.:)

     

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    Gibbon_raver posted:
    Rabiosa posted:
    If I'm at the supermarket (grocery store...whatever you call it where you live...) and I have an overflowing cart, a crying baby, nothing on the belt yet...and someone comes up behind me with a gallon of milk, I let them go first. Even if they don't ask. Just me? Just wondering. Seems like a lot of drama over what amounts to a gallon of milk.


    Nice try at an analogy, but not quite accurate. Perhaps, if a neighbor asked you for a ride to the grocery store and to help shop. While you were in an isle getting items, your neighbor decided he was done and didn't want to wait for you, so, he takes his things from the cart and leaves without telling you.


    Your try at an analogy was nice as well, but not quite accurate.
    (and Rabs analogy is accurate in certain instances inwhich you accuse Blackmancer of "greifing")

    But for this particular instance that your analogy is now referring to I would like to add the rest as much is left out:

    Your neighbor only requires a couple of items - and therefore can take the "express lane" which requires you to be purchasing 10 or less items. You have an entire cart packed full of items.... But you DEMAND that your neighbor lines up with you rather than take the express lane. (much like Rabs analogy so far, but...) He has made other plans for the day, something about more lum;P . He leaves - causing a delay of an additional 5 minutes... YES 5 minutes... to this fellas trip..WOW freak out! Lets not forget - The neighbor then apologises, a very sensor one at that and explains himself. But this fella's old crazzy grandma (aka you) freaks out - calls the cops (provides them with false and untrue stories), and accuses the ENITRE BLOCK (aka blackmancer allegiance - including myself) of going to the grocery store for the sole purpose of causing you trouble.

    A little ridiculous no? Lol... like I said.. drop it Berek this is absurd


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    Blackmancer posted:

    You are so off your rocker I don't even think its worth trying to get along with you anymore. I have been accused of griefing by you for simply standing in the same dungeon you were in. And I was there first lol. Then you decided to grief my fellow by claiming one of the GY col keys that wasnt yours.






    Blackmancer posted:

    Lastly stop with the notion that you own the quest from start to finish. You don't actually expect everyone who happens to be questing in a popular dungeon to go at the same snail pace as you??





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    I agree 100% that if you have a group of people standing around a boss waiting for their turn to loot that anyone coming in after you is line jumping and can be considered griefing. If your killing and moving slowly at the top of a dungeon then the courteous thing to do is let the solo fast golfer play through and dont push your slow agenda on everyone else and force them behind you for an hour.







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    Zen Come back to TD and lets do some 2 man Dewain runs. Thats always a lot of fun.

    Thats why I love Thor, he comes back after 2 years and right away is doing stuff like that with me no problem.:)


    I'm sure me n you could do it no problem...but I haven't played in over 6 months n I'm not even subbed plain

     

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    Find CC, fix problem.

     

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    Zen come back and try out the new cloaks happy

     

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    Ya Zen u'd look super cool rocking a cape!

     

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    Oh I forgot to tell you the reason I'm not subbed...I was gonna sub a few weeks ago, I was getting the itch to come back, but I got some amazing news yesterday..my girlfriend of 9 weeks is 7 weeks pregnant..!

     

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    Better find the man who knocked her up ask him for money.

     

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    Better find the man who knocked her up ask him for money.


    Hah...yeah, just stfu.

     

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    Congrats! The minute that baby looks at you and squeezes your finger your life changes forever.

    Until then you can get in game and put a cape on wink

     

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    Lmfao ^

    Congrats buddy, exciting news.

     

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    Better find the man who knocked her up ask him for money.


    Hah...yeah, just stfu.


    You sure it's not like the time when you were scared you had herpes and then told me and fool later it was just rugburn?

     

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    *grins*

     

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    Come be apart of the shenannigins Red wink

     

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    .-Zen-Ko-. posted:
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    Better find the man who knocked her up ask him for money.


    Hah...yeah, just stfu.


    You sure it's not like the time when you were scared you had herpes and then told me and fool later it was just rugburn?


    Lmfao I'm sure its not like that this time..it'd official this time..oh ya why you undercover?

    And thanks guys haha I'm excited. Ill come back asap, maybe hehe.

     

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    I don't like Berek because he threatened to find Ivan Slpoheklmnuov (God rest his beautiful soul) IRL and kill him.

    Well, that and all this other stuff about him too.

     

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