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In Vanilla rare spawns were just that, rare spawns. A mob that only popped occasionally in certain areas. They usually dropped a better than average loot as well. More rares were added in the Burning Crusade and were the object of certain achievements. In Wrath rare spawns were for achievements and dropped special satchels with extra loot such as more gold, a stack of cloth and a random blue item or even a mount. Several of the rare spawns were also special pets. In Cataclysm the "old world" rare spawns now spawn very frequently and give a much larger amount of experience when killed. The level 81 and higher spawns no longer have achievements attached to them. Many of the new rare spawns were put in specifically for hunter pets and drop nothing of value. They have special abilities and require special strategies to tame. Some of the rares are elites require a full group or small raid to kill and drop raid level gear.
Which changes in how rare spawns were handled to you like the best? Are there new types of rares you'd like to see in future expansions? Do you miss the achievements for killing all the rares of an expansion? Should the spawn rate for the old world spawns be lowered again?
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Evolution is a crock of hooey, just like the big bang. Scientists don't have any "facts", its not like they were there when it happened!!1111one!!!
Oh wait, totally not what this is about is it?
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*clears throat*
Ahem. Evolution is
"any process of formation or growth; development" as quoted from Dictionary.com
Therefore I do think we ARE discussing evolution! Now as to whethere or not scientists are involved with World of Warcraft is another matter.
As far as rare spawns, when WoW first came out it was exciting to find them. It was great (terrible) to camp them on your hunter or farm them for that one blue they might drop. In Wrath I loved the goodie bags. I loved attempting to solo of the big guys even when I was a lower level. And of course nerd points.
Now, while leveling lowbies I learn all the rare spawns in the zone and just make a circut through them while questing. They give roughly 10x the expe of a regular mob of the same level. Nice easy exp but the spawn so frequently it's odd they even call them rares. It's more like go tot he spot for free exp.
Now the hunter pet "only" mobs....It's coolt o find a rare spawna nd kill it. I understand the frustration in Wrath of having someone come along and kill that bear you were camping for days just so they could get a bag and some nerd points. So lowering the incentive to kill a mob was a smart way to handle that. But then I think they should have added a few other rare spawns just for killing.
I also thought raising the loot quality on the rare spawn bosses like Garr was great. We spent over an hour killing Garr, between wipes, horde and other allies trying ot tag him. Then he drops a 346 item? Gah!! Talk about a let down.
I am curious about the sea horse though. Why did they choose to mkae the mount BoE instead o BoP like the TLPD? nice target for gold farming!
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Just never could force myself to care about rare spawns. I kill them if I happen across them, but I never go looking for them.
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I loved rare spawns in Asheron's Call. Because they involved exploration. Hunting the Hoary Mattekar was an adventure.
But in WoW? They are at fixed places, always the same. There is no hunt.
The feeling of the hunt totally disappeared in any "modern" EQ clone, WoW is not the only culprit of this. Even for quests, you now have big frigging arrows on a map to show you where to go. Seems like the new generation of players are so stupid they can't understand simple instructions like "go north, then east between the mountains" and need to be hand held all the time.
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Mmmm..DAoC the lady of the lake. There was a certain area she was supposed to spawn at around a certain sort of time but she didn't always follow the schedule. At least she didn't when I camped her. The fun part was that she was part of a quest line. I'd like to see some more random / rare spawns that give quests n such.
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Spookysheep posted:
Just never could force myself to care about rare spawns. I kill them if I happen across them, but I never go looking for them.
Agreed.
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Spookysheep posted:
Just never could force myself to care about rare spawns. I kill them if I happen across them, but I never go looking for them.
Agreed.
I used to care about rare spawns in Vanilla as a hunter. I don't know how many days, even weeks, that I spent trying to tame rare pets. But once BC hit I pretty much gave up on rare spawns. I realized that spending such a ridiculous amount of time trying to tame a rare pet was a waste of time.
Now if I come across a rare spawn, I kill it. Unless it's a potential hunter pet. I still remember all of the wasted hours I spent in the past trying to tame a pet, and wouldn't want that on my worst enemy. Well... ok, maybe on Korrigan... possibly Spooky. But that's all, I swear.
Simple fact is, rare spawns are just another way for Blizzard to institute a time sink. That's all WoW is. That's all pretty much every current MMO is. A time sink.
And I doubt we'll see any MMO become anything but a timesink in the foreseeable future. It's kind of the nature of the beast when it comes to pay-to-play monthly subscription games.
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I remember killing a bunch of rare spawns in vanilla, Wrath, and Cataclysm. And honestly they seemed pointless aside from "oh hey look a named mob". They never dropped loot I would want to use, even on an alt, and weren't very challenging. So I suppose that achievement in Wrath was the best, uh, "evolution" of rare spawns I saw. And now apparently that's gone.
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Which changes in how rare spawns were handled to you like the best? Are there new types of rares you'd like to see in future expansions?
No more vanity pet rares!
I want to see the rare pet spawns come back like in vanilla WoW where they had special abilities that ordinary versions did not,like faster attack speeds. I remember spending near 3 weeks camping for broken tooth because of its faster attack speed which gave me a slight DPS boost thus worth the effort.
Not a single rare pet in WoW is really worth the effort anymore.
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The_Korrigan posted:
I loved rare spawns in Asheron's Call. Because they involved exploration. Hunting the Hoary Mattekar was an adventure.
But in WoW? They are at fixed places, always the same. There is no hunt.
The feeling of the hunt totally disappeared in any "modern" EQ clone, WoW is not the only culprit of this. Even for quests, you now have big frigging arrows on a map to show you where to go. Seems like the new generation of players are so stupid they can't understand simple instructions like "go north, then east between the mountains" and need to be hand held all the time.
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WOW maps are far more 'innovative' in their design... but they are linear in progression and the quest sysem perpetuates this: Go A, kill 1, 2 & 3, Go Base, Go B, collect 4, kill 5, Go Base, etc...
Rares occasionally pop on the radar but don't have anything of value hence whats the point in stopping in your A -> B -> C route.
Whilst the AC map wasn't as innovative, it encouraged exploration through its randomness. You knew that certain mobs would be in certain area's, but that was about it... searching for Diamond Golems, Mattekars, etc... fingers crossed that a 113% +15 would drop or something equally rare and valuable was THE reason you went out every day hunting.
IMO - WOW needs a new zone... 3-4 times the size of Old Barrens, more 'craggy' and 'foresty' with dangerous mobs mixed in with normal mobs EVERYWHERE... stuff that can be soloe'd (just), combined with stuff that needs a group of 2-3 to kill (it would need some clever design to make it so one 'pally'/pet class can't kill everything). It wouldn't be hard to put some lore together that could give us a reason for the zone.
The puller for me would be the loot... blues would drop frequently (1 in 3) from the rare mobs, ranging in Item Level upto Max level + 10. Random stats (could be useless, could be special) - BOE. If you got lucky, you would get a Blue item as good Raid level gear (not heroic Raid) - but the chances of getting the perfect mix of stats on a max level item would make that a rare occurence. In my view, you would aim to get 4/5 blue items an hour - the chances of any of them being a close to 'perfect' item about 1 in 200 with the chance of it being something 'useable' by the majority of the playerbase about 1 in 10.
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I never got behind why Daoc was never really cloned (and I've yet to see a game that came somewhere close to it).
Unless it's always been a fail-concept, but I seriously doubt that.
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On behalf of anyone who plays a hunter that cares about the cata rarespawns. It takes a lot o time to camp some of the new creatures. If you come across one, just wait a moment to see if a Hunter is there before you go tagging it and killing it. I had Skitterflame killed 9 times because people didn't take a moment to notice that I had laid a trap and was waiting for the cooldown, had him targeted and everything. I saw someone run up and KILL Deth'Tilac when someone had been camping it for 3 weeks, simply because they were Horde and the hunter was Alliance.
It's sad. When I camp a mob and someone comes along and DOESN'T kill it, but rather helps me get it? (in the case of Deth'Tilac bringing the health down) having toons on both sides of the wall, I pay well over the 25 gold for the tear, and I'm not the only one with that mentality.
As for outside of Cata? Oh yeah, I kill 'em, unless I know it's a highly coveted rarespawn. Then I give hunters 5 minutes to nab it before I kill it, such as the cases of Loque'Nahak, Skoll, Etc. I spam both general, and log my bank alt on and spam trade in a capital city, and detail that in 5 minutes it's goin' bye bye. It also helps that I have about 20 hunters on my Real ID from camping the cata spawns, I just broadcast who spawned and the coords and usually they're tamed within a few minutes.
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I like Rare Spawns, but wish it was the AC style.
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I like Rare Spawns, but wish it was the AC style.
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I wish WoW was AC.
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I wish WoW was AC.
Would be so awesome
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[quote=-Mithan-]I wish WoW was AC.
Would be so awesome[/quote]
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The_Korrigan posted:
I loved rare spawns in Asheron's Call. Because they involved exploration. Hunting the Hoary Mattekar was an adventure.
But in WoW? They are at fixed places, always the same. There is no hunt.
The feeling of the hunt totally disappeared in any "modern" EQ clone, WoW is not the only culprit of this. Even for quests, you now have big frigging arrows on a map to show you where to go. Seems like the new generation of players are so stupid they can't understand simple instructions like "go north, then east between the mountains" and need to be hand held all the time.
Well said!
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The_Korrigan posted:
I loved rare spawns in Asheron's Call. Because they involved exploration. Hunting the Hoary Mattekar was an adventure.
But in WoW? They are at fixed places, always the same. There is no hunt.
The feeling of the hunt totally disappeared in any "modern" EQ clone, WoW is not the only culprit of this. Even for quests, you now have big frigging arrows on a map to show you where to go. Seems like the new generation of players are so stupid they can't understand simple instructions like "go north, then east between the mountains" and need to be hand held all the time.
Well said!
I prefer the arrow over bad quest text. In SWG's pre NGE Hero of Tatooine quest series one part of the quest told you there was a man out in the desert when the entire planet was a desert!
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I wish WoW was AC.
AC3: AC1 with a current graphic engine.
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could you imagine what people would do if you had to know which damage type to use on certain mobs in WoW?
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could you imagine what people would do if you had to know which damage type to use on certain mobs in WoW?
They would download an addon to tell them.
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Hornet_MT posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
I loved rare spawns in Asheron's Call. Because they involved exploration. Hunting the Hoary Mattekar was an adventure.
But in WoW? They are at fixed places, always the same. There is no hunt.
The feeling of the hunt totally disappeared in any "modern" EQ clone, WoW is not the only culprit of this. Even for quests, you now have big frigging arrows on a map to show you where to go. Seems like the new generation of players are so stupid they can't understand simple instructions like "go north, then east between the mountains" and need to be hand held all the time.
QFT
WOW maps are far more 'innovative' in their design... but they are linear in progression and the quest sysem perpetuates this: Go A, kill 1, 2 & 3, Go Base, Go B, collect 4, kill 5, Go Base, etc...
Rares occasionally pop on the radar but don't have anything of value hence whats the point in stopping in your A -> B -> C route.
Whilst the AC map wasn't as innovative, it encouraged exploration through its randomness. You knew that certain mobs would be in certain area's, but that was about it... searching for Diamond Golems, Mattekars, etc... fingers crossed that a 113% +15 would drop or something equally rare and valuable was THE reason you went out every day hunting.
IMO - WOW needs a new zone... 3-4 times the size of Old Barrens, more 'craggy' and 'foresty' with dangerous mobs mixed in with normal mobs EVERYWHERE... stuff that can be soloe'd (just), combined with stuff that needs a group of 2-3 to kill (it would need some clever design to make it so one 'pally'/pet class can't kill everything). It wouldn't be hard to put some lore together that could give us a reason for the zone.
The puller for me would be the loot... blues would drop frequently (1 in 3) from the rare mobs, ranging in Item Level upto Max level + 10. Random stats (could be useless, could be special) - BOE. If you got lucky, you would get a Blue item as good Raid level gear (not heroic Raid) - but the chances of getting the perfect mix of stats on a max level item would make that a rare occurence. In my view, you would aim to get 4/5 blue items an hour - the chances of any of them being a close to 'perfect' item about 1 in 200 with the chance of it being something 'useable' by the majority of the playerbase about 1 in 10.
So with all the complaints about the grind.. you suggest that they implement a zone where the main purpose is to grind for loot that has a 1 in 200 chance of being "useful" to your character? I think you are as in touch with the playerbase as Ghostcrawler.. LOL.
J/K .. but they would get so much flack for useless drops.. stupid random loot generator.. wasting resources on blah blah blah blah.. eh.. actually.. at this point in the game they are going to get flack for ANYTHING they do. They are damned if they do/damned if they dont...at least in the eyes of 1 in 12. 
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could you imagine what people would do if you had to know which damage type to use on certain mobs in WoW?
They would download an addon to tell them.
ya that's true...didn't think of that since i dont use any helping hand addons.
all i use is altoholic because i am, and i never remember what i have/need.
i looked at some that people run with and wonder why they bother playing, barely a step below UCMing.
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I got a couple in Wrath and I thought they were cool. Decent loot and achievement.
Again, there were so many things about Wrath that they ruined in Cataclysm.
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i remember seeing a lot of rare spawns in classic WoW but they never seemed to have a purpose. i would get excited seeing the dragon around their names but all the ones i killed never even dropped any loot.
among the 3 expansions i have logged a ton of hours and only seen 1 rare mob total...some scarlet knight in dragonblight. she dropped a bag full of some gems and cloth and crap. it was better than nothing but i was disappointed.
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Hmmm... Yes! Bring back the Hoary Mattekar and the Diamond Golem!
Seriously. I'd like to see rare spawns brought back like in vanilla WoW, where they had either special stats (for taming) or loot. The way they've "evolved" through the last few patches, I never bother going after them any longer.
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