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Some might remember wowcrendor with his How to Win At Pugs and Gearscore video back in Wrath. Well he made another one for PvP

http://youtu.be/-JWokizUnDc


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Haha, I hadn't seen any of those before....

thanks for making me waste an hour on youtube, Rill :P

 

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PvP is about skill. Class and gear don't matter.

 

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kyrv posted:
PvP is about skill. Class and gear don't matter.
I bet you don't believe that yourself wink

 

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All the strategy in the world won't save you from the level 34 warrior with 4k health and his sidekick healadin with 3k health. ( that would be me and my hubby XD )

 

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The_Korrigan posted:
kyrv posted:
PvP is about skill. Class and gear don't matter.
I bet you don't believe that yourself wink


You would in fact win that bet. beatup

 

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laugh

 

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Rill_of_WE posted:
Some might remember wowcrendor with his How to Win At Pugs and Gearscore video back in Wrath. Well he made another one for PvP

http://youtu.be/-JWokizUnDc


The flag obsessor cracked me up.


That video is excellent. Love the flag carrier, too. I forwarded the link to some friends!

Everyone, just hold these points! We got this! Just hold these points!

 

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The_Korrigan posted:
kyrv posted:
PvP is about skill. Class and gear don't matter.
I bet you don't believe that yourself wink


 

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Rill_of_WE posted:
All the strategy in the world won't save you from the level 34 warrior with 4k health and his sidekick healadin with 3k health. ( that would be me and my hubby XD )


reminds me of "All da bacon in da world couldn'T save you now ^^"

http://z0r.de/69

 

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Go play GW 2 when it comes out. mischief There is no hope for any PVP that is based on a Gear and Stat game.

 

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Go play GW 2 when it comes out. mischief There is no hope for any PVP that is based on a Gear and Stat game.



I don't share you sunny optimism for GW2 but this is 100% correct. This is why DAOC PVP was so greatly loved by a lot of folks, especially in the VN community. In DAOC, you could with a little patience have exactly as good of gear as anyone else in PVP. It came down to PVP Realm Abilities gained through PVPing and the skill of your group.

This is also why ToA was such a hated expansion. It created a gear race and added even more "special" abilities that had to be acquired to stay competitive.

Speaking of GW2, didn't I read that they have gear for your toons that can be attained through PVE means? Wouldn't this gear unbalance PVP just like every other gearbased MMO currently with PVP in it?

 

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^^ A few games in the past did it before and were very successful. Blizzard just overlooked pvp as a whole and it is the only real reason it failed at it. Other games like AoC/Failhammer had bad systems and balancing in place just as WoW does for pvp, and it just shows how game developers these days are out of touch. So much is copy/pasted into the making of new MMO's that it surprises me how they overlook the most notable pvp game. Which had gear/stat based pvp.

 

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Bremen_Gaheris posted:
JaconKin posted:
Go play GW 2 when it comes out. mischief There is no hope for any PVP that is based on a Gear and Stat game.



I don't share you sunny optimism for GW2 but this is 100% correct. This is why DAOC PVP was so greatly loved by a lot of folks, especially in the VN community. In DAOC, you could with a little patience have exactly as good of gear as anyone else in PVP. It came down to PVP Realm Abilities gained through PVPing and the skill of your group.

This is also why ToA was such a hated expansion. It created a gear race and added even more "special" abilities that had to be acquired to stay competitive.

Speaking of GW2, didn't I read that they have gear for your toons that can be attained through PVE means? Wouldn't this gear unbalance PVP just like every other gearbased MMO currently with PVP in it?


You must have missed JaconKin's post where he explained how the PvP in GW2 used a preset gear for everyone. That means everything will be based on your skills and your choice in which abilities you choose to use.

 

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Quazimortal posted:
Bremen_Gaheris posted:
JaconKin posted:
Go play GW 2 when it comes out. mischief There is no hope for any PVP that is based on a Gear and Stat game.



I don't share you sunny optimism for GW2 but this is 100% correct. This is why DAOC PVP was so greatly loved by a lot of folks, especially in the VN community. In DAOC, you could with a little patience have exactly as good of gear as anyone else in PVP. It came down to PVP Realm Abilities gained through PVPing and the skill of your group.

This is also why ToA was such a hated expansion. It created a gear race and added even more "special" abilities that had to be acquired to stay competitive.

Speaking of GW2, didn't I read that they have gear for your toons that can be attained through PVE means? Wouldn't this gear unbalance PVP just like every other gearbased MMO currently with PVP in it?


You must have missed JaconKin's post where he explained how the PvP in GW2 used a preset gear for everyone. That means everything will be based on your skills and your choice in which abilities you choose to use.



Indeed, good sir, I did miss that. Rock on then, maybe GW2 has found the answer and will indeed match JaconKin's expectations.

 

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Watch:

Warrior in PVP, dodging, weapon swapping, healing himeslf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-TFPFnZ3o8&feature=player_embedded

PVP Tourney at PAX this weekend:
Game 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HpTHEkDtM&feature=player_embedded
Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d39Hlxg29dw&feature=player_embedded
Game 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAzmJnGr__4&feature=player_embedded
Game 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZu3BT_Q2A&feature=player_embedded

Participating in PVP will earn you Glory, which can be used to buy Cosmetic Gear Only, to show off how skillful you are at PVP. So yes you will still have people dancing at the mail box. Though with how large the cities are in the game it might not be that congested at mail boxes.

Check out my friends thread at Bad Cartridge.
http://boards.badcartridge.com/index.php?/topic/24366-guild-wars-2-whats-your-story/
He also did one up for Neo Gaf:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=440171
Both are similar, the neo gaf one has more picture due to Neo Gaf allowing more media in posts.

 

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Quazimortal posted:
You must have missed JaconKin's post where he explained how the PvP in GW2 used a preset gear for everyone. That means everything will be based on your skills and your choice in which abilities you choose to use.


Hard to imagine anyone missing his posts about GW2, pick any thread on this board mischief

 

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Once the the GW board is switched over to GW2 I'll post over there, besides there isn't much WoW talk taking place here. Most threads seem to be filled with the same people going back and forth with same tired argument happening between them, not about the game but about each other.

Atleast by posting about GW2 in some threads it breaks up the monotony, and I try to do my best to make a post that is relevant to what ever the topic is about.

 

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Well, after "leveling" several chars through the PvP gearing "grind", all I can say is that PvP really starts when you have 3500ish resilience. Then you start to be competitive against almost any opponent, fights are balanced, how PvP should be.

And yeah, the GW2 spam is amusing... another victim of the "hype". But we are used to them here... Warhammer, Rift, Aion, <insert any other failure here>. Would be nice if it remained in GW2 specific threads... but asking something like that from VN posters is a waste of time. "GW2 PvP is gonna be better" is nonsensical spam, unless you are in the beta and experienced it first hand. Developer promises and announced awesome features are just that: words. And before someone says "but the videos!", WoW PvP can also look amazing... on videos... Videos where all the opponents are maxed out gear wise and of similar skill. Promotional videos. Reality is more about scrubs with 0 resilience whining that <insert class name here> is overpowered. And it will be the same in GW2.

 

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Well, after "leveling" several chars through the PvP gearing "grind", all I can say is that PvP really starts when you have 3500ish resilience. Then you start to be competitive against almost any opponent, fights are balanced, how PvP should be.

And yeah, the GW2 spam is amusing... another victim of the "hype". But we are used to them here... Warhammer, Rift, Aion, <insert any other failure here>. Would be nice if it remained in GW2 specific threads... but asking something like that from VN posters is a waste of time. "GW2 PvP is gonna be better" is nonsensical spam, unless you are in the beta and experienced it first hand. Developer promises and announced awesome features are just that: words. And before someone says "but the videos!", WoW PvP can also look amazing... on videos... Videos where all the opponents are maxed out gear wise and of similar skill. Promotional videos. Reality is more about scrubs with 0 resilience whining that <insert class name here> is overpowered. And it will be the same in GW2.


I don't know who the more jaded player is, you or Spooky?

So I suppose listening to the impressions of other players who participated in last weeks gamescom tourneys doesn't matter, nor the countless other player impressions as well as press.

Now good sir if I was pimping out TOR I would say I would have drunk the Kool Aid. Also at least the spam on GW2 is better than most of p****ing contests between you and the other posters that most threads derail into since the activity on this board has sunk as fast as WoW subs. So has the quality of the posts come to think of it.

 

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JaconKin posted:
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Well, after "leveling" several chars through the PvP gearing "grind", all I can say is that PvP really starts when you have 3500ish resilience. Then you start to be competitive against almost any opponent, fights are balanced, how PvP should be.

And yeah, the GW2 spam is amusing... another victim of the "hype". But we are used to them here... Warhammer, Rift, Aion, <insert any other failure here>. Would be nice if it remained in GW2 specific threads... but asking something like that from VN posters is a waste of time. "GW2 PvP is gonna be better" is nonsensical spam, unless you are in the beta and experienced it first hand. Developer promises and announced awesome features are just that: words. And before someone says "but the videos!", WoW PvP can also look amazing... on videos... Videos where all the opponents are maxed out gear wise and of similar skill. Promotional videos. Reality is more about scrubs with 0 resilience whining that <insert class name here> is overpowered. And it will be the same in GW2.


I don't know who the more jaded player is, you or Spooky?

So I suppose listening to the impressions of other players who participated in last weeks gamescom tourneys doesn't matter, nor the countless other player impressions as well as press.

Now good sir if I was pimping out TOR I would say I would have drunk the Kool Aid. Also at least the spam on GW2 is better than most of p****ing contests between you and the other posters that most threads derail into since the activity on this board has sunk as fast as WoW subs. So has the quality of the posts come to think of it.



Still haven't learned that Korrigan's posts are worthless drivel? You'll get it some day! grin

For the record, I thoroughly enjoy your posts about GW2. I was only slightly interested in it before you provided all the information on this forum. Now I'm eagerly awaiting it because like you I think it'll be a refreshing change to the MMO market.

 

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Well as I have stated I have contacted Mithan and he said that eventually the current GW Board will be switched over, haven't checked if it has yet or not actually, I will post over there with information once that takes place.

Also in many aspects there is a certain amount of respect that I have begun to gain for Anet since my interest in GW2 began.

A prime example of this was today when somebody stated that traits were "scrapped" from the game. You got this quick response from one of the other devs to clarify the situation for players.

Eric posted:
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Hey guys, just thought I'd jump in and clarify some things. First, the term "scrapped" was an unfortunate choice of words on Jon's part. He tends to use very strong language to describe things even when it isn't warranted (all part of his charm). I think when most people think of something being "scrapped" they think of things being completely tossed out and restarted from square one which isn't at all what's happened with the trait system.

The changes that you will see made to traits, and the acquisition of skills all make use of and leverage things that were for the most part already in the game. To say we "scrapped" the trait system is an overstatement.

As to why we made these changes, when we explain the changes we'll explain why exactly we thought that we needed to make them. I think the changes are a huge positive improvement for the game but I'll leave that up to your judgement once we're able to explain things more fully.

The last point I wanted to make is that these changes have not delayed the game in any way. We are in Alpha and we are still on track for a Closed Beta sometime this year. From there we'll determine when open beta will take place which in turn will determine when we ship. That's the same plan we've been describing for most of the year.

In the meantime, thanks for all the patience and understanding you've shown, we'll try our best to live up to your expectations.


How many customers has Blizzard tick off due to poor, or arrogant communication, not just with WoW, but I have seen some disparaging remarks when Diablo 3 is concerned as well. Since Blizzard has grown so big, or arrogant however you want to view it, they don't really go to other big Cons to showcase games, since they throw of their own big con just to highlight their games. I think at times Blizzard has just grown too out of touch with the gaming community itself, that they are bigger than it so to speak. At least this is the impression I get from them in interviews and WoW blue posts as well as GC. Of course, don't take that as a criticism of the games themselves as they still produce quality games, yet, they have lost base as well with the community. I think Cata is a good example of that.

 

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