"Groups can have it hard, especially when there is a newbie involved. Most classes have abilities at your command that could help your group out in a pinch. When broken CC mobs run amok throw a stun at it until it can be controlled again. If you are a tank and have a new healer, blow your short cooldowns at the start of a pull to help them out a bit. Before bosses, ask if everyone knows how to do the boss and offer an explanation if people haven't seen it. I know it's not in everyone's nature but simple and easy things like this can make a huge positive difference in pugs."

Submitted by: Lorraine

PallyDog posted:

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I guess it's because it's an easy mode, "I can stand alone" class, therefore they don't join a dungeon with a "work with the group" mentality.

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PallyDog posted:

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The major problem I run into is defensiveness. If you ask one question about what someone is doing they freak out on you adn then they're little jerks for the rest of the run. Happens agian and again and again. Like the hunter who was top dps, but he didn't MD, he woudln't help on adds, he wouldn't use a different strategy that he'd "never done before" and felt entitled to belittle everyone in the group. Well frankly the group was a good group, well geared, knowledgable players who were faily laid back. He was the burr in the saddle blanket. But you always get that one little sh!t....

And I just realized...with the exception of that one warrior every crappy annoying "I am leet and you suck" attituded (yeah i know it's not a word) player that I've voted to kick in the last month has been a hunter. I guess it's because it's an easy mode, "I can stand alone" class, therefore they don't join a dungeon with a "work with the group" mentality.

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-Peo- posted:

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Instead of trying to be defensive and point fingers, try reading the actual words and their intent. I am talking about people who ding 85, buy a set of PvP gear off the AH and hop into ZA 1st thing. But no, I guess asking anyone like you to be observant instead of chomping at the bit to get butt hurt would be too much to ask.

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Ugh_Lancelot posted:

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-Peo- posted:

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Instead of trying to be defensive and point fingers, try reading the actual words and their intent. I am talking about people who ding 85, buy a set of PvP gear off the AH and hop into ZA 1st thing. But no, I guess asking anyone like you to be observant instead of chomping at the bit to get butt hurt would be too much to ask.

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Words mean things. Leaving out the bolded words above leaves out specific intent and the focus of your original question. Maybe instead of chomping at the bit to get butt hurt (if it isn't too much to ask) you might be very clear in your first reply about which set, how many pieces, etc. instead of jumping all over people for not reading your mind.

Just sayin...

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Spookysheep posted:

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And the pvp honor gear is now leaps and bounds better than the crap PVE gear from normals.

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GutterSludge posted:

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One of us is butthurt, that's for sure


/chuckle


You really want people to slave it away in normals, to obtain a blue set of gear that is not as good as the starter pvp set? JUST so it says "PVE" instead of "PVP"???


Thus endeth the lesson, and let the laughter continue at the idiocy of your train of thought.


Edit: What you want is for people to be RAID geared, so they can CARRY you through your daily heroics. It's ok, you can admit it. It would be impossible to think any less of you anyway.

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-Peo- posted:

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Spookysheep posted:

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And the pvp honor gear is now leaps and bounds better than the crap PVE gear from normals.

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While this idea has merit, it does nothing to address the fact that in normals you can at least learn the fights (mostly).

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-Peo- posted:

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GutterSludge posted:

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One of us is butthurt, that's for sure


/chuckle


You really want people to slave it away in normals, to obtain a blue set of gear that is not as good as the starter pvp set? JUST so it says "PVE" instead of "PVP"???


Thus endeth the lesson, and let the laughter continue at the idiocy of your train of thought.


Edit: What you want is for people to be RAID geared, so they can CARRY you through your daily heroics. It's ok, you can admit it. It would be impossible to think any less of you anyway.

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Hrrr dddrrrrr, derpa.

Re-read what I said, maybe if you can get past your obsession with PvP gear, you might see the part about learning the fights. Or does that come with PvP gear automatically?

Do you even know the name of my character, have you ever played with me? Naw, didn't think so, you just wanna feel better about yourself by putting me down, I understand, low self esteeem is hard to overcome.

I can out dps most people on the hunter I play. I don't expect to be carried, but I am tired of carrying people.

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GutterSludge posted:

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/snip
It is an ignorant stereotype, and you are too blinded by that ignorance to admit it.

/snip

And on a side note, people with GOOD pvp gear, are 9 out of 10 times WAY BETTER players than people who show up in dungeon gear. They have more awareness, better control over their characters, and know more about the other classes in the group than the law allows.

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Spookysheep posted:

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I am able to "learn the fight" after just one try, or the first time by reading the strategy on the internet.


I know I'm more intelligent than most, but still, I don't think its that hard, even for the average wowtard.

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Quazimortal posted:

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There's not much to learn about fights anyways. Don't stand in fire and dps as hard as you can, what is so hard about that?

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-Peo- posted:

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You are a hypocrite. I rest my case. You bash stereotyping, then commit the same offense. It is ok tho, I understand that you are biased against PvE. I would like to point out that I never said anything about people in GOOD PvP gear, I am talking about a people who ding 85, buy a set of PvP blues off the AH and hop into heroics without any idea of what they are doing. And if you think that they don't do this, you are a fool. I play with far more people who absolutely suck at what they are trying to do, then a person like you, who supposedly is awesome in every way possible. So stop being so butthurt thinking I am talking about you, unless you are the hapless complete moron, I am not referring to you.

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Peo posted:

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And normals are for learning. If you get a brand new 85 in PvP gear in a heroic, s/he deserves to be kicked.

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Quazimortal posted:

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Why is it that you keep relating PvP gear to not being able to learn? Isn't that stereotyping, you know the thing you are bitching at other people about?

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NukeMage posted:

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Comparing PvP vs Pve players, as to which is better, is kind of moot. There are good and bad players who participate strictly in both. The "good" players in each will have similiar abilities and skillsets, and the bads will still run around like headless chickens.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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NukeMage posted:

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Comparing PvP vs Pve players, as to which is better, is kind of moot. There are good and bad players who participate strictly in both. The "good" players in each will have similiar abilities and skillsets, and the bads will still run around like headless chickens.

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You're splitting hairs for the sake of continuing the argument. While I admire the attempt, you still fail at truthiness.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I'll wait until your intelligence comes back to you before responding appropriately.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I understand there's always exceptions but a PvPer will always (99.999999999%) have the upper hand on a PvEer when it comes to reaction time and situational adaptation.

Sorry, PvE just doesn't compare to human opposition.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I understand there's always exceptions but a PvPer will always (99.999999999%) have the upper hand on a PvEer when it comes to reaction time and situational adaptation.

Sorry, PvE just doesn't compare to human opposition.

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Quazimortal posted:

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Too bad I know that I'm right about it, so it doesn't really matter if you claim to be right. Reaction time and situational awareness is entirely dependent on the speed at which your brain can process information, it has very little to do with how you choose to apply it.

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Cawlin posted:

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Whee!!


Same thread, different expansion...


Anyone pretending like the overwhelmingly vast majority of max level characters running around in PvP gear in dungeons aren't terribad newbs is doing just that - pretending. This is ESPECIALLY true this late into an expansion when the "next set" of PvP gear outpaces the blue normal instance gear that hasn't changed since the expansion went live.

That said, the community in WoW is growing worse by the month lol.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Cawlin posted:

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Whee!!


Same thread, different expansion...


Anyone pretending like the overwhelmingly vast majority of max level characters running around in PvP gear in dungeons aren't terribad newbs is doing just that - pretending. This is ESPECIALLY true this late into an expansion when the "next set" of PvP gear outpaces the blue normal instance gear that hasn't changed since the expansion went live.

That said, the community in WoW is growing worse by the month lol.

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Yea, I don't see where anybody said anything about gear as far as the PvE/P debate. Mechanical skills, spatial awareness, adaptive ability...that's where we were at.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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It's ok, I'm use to low expectations where your posts are concerned

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GutterSludge posted:

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Cawlin, your post just shows that you know nothing bout the gear obtained from normals in cata vs the crafted pvp set.

Thank you for clearing that up for us.

(or season 10 honor gear vs heroic 5 man gear for that matter)

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GutterSludge posted:

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So, what you are saying, is that you are fine with people showing up in sub-par gear, as long as it is labeled "PVE" gear.


Funny, I would have thought that you would want people to show up in the best gear possible.....




/boggle

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Cawlin posted:

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GutterSludge posted:

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Cawlin, your post just shows that you know nothing bout the gear obtained from normals in cata vs the crafted pvp set.

Thank you for clearing that up for us.

(or season 10 honor gear vs heroic 5 man gear for that matter)

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Oh siht! Ya got me!! I lost my gdamn wowhead link!!!


Still same thread, different expansion lol.


Oh and, still, the overwhelmingly vast majority of fresh 85s running around in dungeons wearing PvP gear are scrubby knuckleheads. Exceptions exist of course, but their existence as exceptions proves the rule otherwise. This too, is just like in the past.

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