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Topic: Tanking in the Present Game.

raine0520 Posts: ???? Registered: ???? Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 0 User ID: 0	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	I don't normally post here, and I certainly don't bit*h about things, but I'd like to ask the honest non troll community some things. I've been a dps'er since '04, and within the last year I developed a Paladin tank, and have been tanking since lvl 15. I consider myself to be a decent tank, perhaps above average. Pre-Cata runs, I was always praised in groups for keeping folks breathing, and holding proper aggro as well as a knowledge of all the runs and encounters. In Cata, I ran the dungeons fine, learning them from a Tank's perspective instead of a dps role. I've leveled 2 85's prior to the pally in these same runs. The bosses were familiar, but I had to learn them as a tank. Working out just fine again with minimal to no complaints from pug groups in the LFD. I ding 85, and run normal versions of the 3 remaining dungeons for the experience. I buy starter tank gear from the AH, reforge and gem with lots of help from seasoned guild raid tanks. Now, NO FRESH 85 of any class can tank a Heroic from the start and be perfect. There is still plenty of gear to be had in hero blues tat needs collecting and enchanting, etc. Not to mention the hero version of the run is obviously much harder with variations of the normal boss encounters. Lets not forget Deadmines and SFK opening up as a Heroic ONLY option. Rant aside, WTF do people expect you to be 100% perfect on each and every run? A seasoned player or even one with half a brain for details can see a relatively new tank entering the dungeon by inspecting the gear. People have to learn, and the only way is getting dirty. I have literally entered a run (today, in fact), and was torn to shreds because I picked up the quests from the npc in Tol'vir. I've been called every name in the book thus far, and this is with completion of about half the heros to date under my belt. People aren't dieing in droves under me, but it is harder. I really don't get it. Why the bloody hell are some of you people so unjustly cruel, and well, such assholes in heros? It wasn't like this when hero's were first intro'd into WoW, but it is now. Tanks are very much expected to be perfect, no mistakes of any kind, and if you do, you are Hitler. Eliteism is at an all time retarded high, and it's especially directed at tanks, IMO. I've had groups where the Healer was healing the wrong person and not me, and I'd die and get BLASTED for it. I can only self heal so much, and in a heroic, it's really useless in general anyways. Any other tanks have this issue? Are you still tanking? Oh and if you're going to troll, I won't even respond to you. I'm being serious in looking for serious opinions on this. Thanks. -----signature-----
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Blisteringballs Posts: 2,247 Registered: Aug 12, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,247 User ID: 1,366,612	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	The game is such a hellacious grind now, and the overall sentiment of players irate (due to the grind and increased difficulty), that most have little patience. The gregarious, fun feeling of heroic running in Wrath has been replaced with the ugly affair it is now. So not only are lesser performing DPS characters the focus of grief, so are tanks that aren't over geared and know every instance and fight like the back of their hand. It was fun being a tank or healer in Wrath. Now, even if I still played, I wouldn't touch either role. -----signature----- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fox%20News
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TruthyID Posts: 365 Registered: Jul 7, '10 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 365 User ID: 1,397,686	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	Unfortunately the convenience of the dungeon finder often comes at the price of putting up with some truly horrible people. Your experience is in no way unique and explains the real reason that there are so few tanks who are still willing to queue for dungeons. I guess people think that they can get away with treating people horribly since there are no real repercussions for bad behavior and odds are you'll never see those people again. It's experiences like the ones you describe that make me wonder why I still have an active sub. Some days it feels like I'm just paying for the privilege of being abused by children over the internet. It seems like at this point in the game you have 2 options 1. Find a guild and only do anything with them 2. Get used to putting up with the bs that you described -----signature----- (none)
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GutterSludge Posts: 4,620 Registered: Nov 6, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 4,545 User ID: 1,091,587	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	I also tank in the rfd, but the difference between us is that I do so for my enjoyment, and if anyone wants to complain I WILL just leave them sitting there waiting for another tank. You make an excellent point about being a "new" tank, and how people react, but I personally always reserve judgement on a new tank until I have inspected their gear, and or until the first wipe. Anyone who immediately jumps down your throat for being "new" has more than likely never played a tank, and is looking to be carried anyway. The bottom line? Step up, and tell those complaining to kindly STFU. If they don't, haul arse, and never look back. (except long enough to add said person to your ignore list, so that you will never be grouped with them again) -----signature----- Guttersludge People just can't handle the truth. NeMeFieD said:"Yea I Ucmed for 12 days straight.." njwCSUS posted:I'm homosexual, so really, its ongoing sexual attraction to my father, not my mother.
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raine0520 Posts: ???? Registered: ???? Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 0 User ID: 0	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	Thanks for the honest replies. I knew I wasn't alone, but damn. It's truly out of control with the hate, and I'm this close to never tanking out of guild again. The ironic thing is I random tank LFD so I can BE A BETTER TANK. Yet I'm hated cuz I'm not yet in iLvL 5000 gear. Sheesh. -----signature-----
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only Posts: 17,806 Registered: Sep 18, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 17,157 User ID: 968,129	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	This is the way Blizzard wants the game. -----signature----- â€œA painter paints his pictures on canvas. But musicians paint their pictures on silence. We provide the music, and you provide the silence.â€ ~Leopold Stokowski
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croaks35 Posts: 127 Registered: Jul 20, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 127 User ID: 1,364,192	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	I heal heroic pugs exclusively pretty much I sometimes have 1-3 friends from my realm who will come along none of them tanks.I never inspect the tanks gear tbh I don't bother looking at the dps meter my main thing is the mobs die and the tank keeps the aggro off me and other squishes if they can do that then all is good by me/I tend never to get upset about wipes only time I will get upset about a wipe is if the blame game starts.I will usually always stick it out with a group even through multiple wipes so long as they people are nice and working on correcting it hell I went all way through Vortex heroic with a druid tank who had never even been in the instance even in normal version needless to say it was ugly with alot of bad pulls and wipes but the guy was trying and everything at some point needs to learn. -----signature----- (none)
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Ugh_Lancelot Title: Ooo...bouncy! Posts: 5,492 Registered: Jun 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,446 User ID: 689,383	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	The dungeon finder was more or less what started killing the game off. Being able to queue with people you'd probably never see again from another server meant nobody had to be responsible for their own actions anymore. Welcome to World of Douchebaggery. Combine that with people getting used to facerolling heroics in gear that was 50+ levels higher than the instances themselves (i219 content in i277 gear), then Cata plunging people back into instances that were unforgiving and with tons of lethal AoE everywhere in every fight, with limited mana pools on healers and the resulting intolerance for perceived (or real) sub-par performance or people who aren't "pro" (lol) gamers rose to pathological levels. I suspect we'll eventually discover that A) the "B team" really was in charge after WotLK Icecrown instances went live, and/or B) they knew WoW would decline anyway so they started experimenting knowing they'd probably screw up but not caring as long as they kept things just good enough to keep the forecasts intersecting with the release of Diablo 3 and Titan. -----signature----- WoW and DAoC - Too many alts to count Charter Member - Altaholics Anonymous
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-Peo- Title: Caveat Lector Posts: 3,208 Registered: Feb 2, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 3,155 User ID: 1,024,262	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	Run with non prima donna people. Most people you run with now, if you random will be complete tools. Sad, but true. -----signature----- SWTOR, Maybe in a year. Back to WoW for now. With a lil f2p CoH.
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PallyDog Title: WoW Vault Staff Teh Pyckles! Posts: 13,429 Registered: Mar 4, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 13,007 User ID: 776,236	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	It was posted in another thread, a little comic about a normal guy + anonymity + audiance = idiot. And well it's true. The "community" in WoW is quite often not stellar, and you're going to get hit and miss groups. People are going ot be mean and rude "because they can" that's all there is to it. There's no reason not to be if their momma didn't teach them to be nice. Now add ins ome raid geared peeps who've been there done that, they are above you. They are awesome. You suck if you're not at their level right now, on that particular toon! Seriously. /straight face Yeah, there was a guy in a BG today inspecting peopel and yelling at them that they didn't know how to do BG's just because they weren't in full pvp gear. Dude, you gotta start somewhere. And who's to say that toon isn't an alt? And why buy it with gold when you can just get it with honor points? But nooo...you must suck if you're not doing the way they would. That's something I'll never figure out. -----signature----- "Pallys are simply self healing rocks." - IndridCole
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Spookysheep Title: Lieker of Cheese Posts: 21,595 Registered: Jan 9, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 21,166 User ID: 601,475	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	Quazimortal posted: This is the way Blizzard wants the game. This. -----signature----- I liek cheese Pirates > Ninjas .....................................
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-Peo- Title: Caveat Lector Posts: 3,208 Registered: Feb 2, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 3,155 User ID: 1,024,262	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	Honestly, and without rancor, you left out a piece of the equation: PallyDog posted: normal guy + anonymity + audiance + no consequences = idiot. A big part of it is the lack of integrity most people have. If you cannot suffer the consequences of your actions, the true character of most people comes out. -----signature----- SWTOR, Maybe in a year. Back to WoW for now. With a lil f2p CoH.
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PallyDog Title: WoW Vault Staff Teh Pyckles! Posts: 13,429 Registered: Mar 4, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 13,007 User ID: 776,236	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	-Peo- posted: Honestly, and without rancor, you left out a piece of the equation: PallyDog posted: normal guy + anonymity + audiance + no consequences = idiot. A big part of it is the lack of integrity most people have. If you cannot suffer the consequences of your actions, the true character of most people comes out. Yeah, the comic was "audience" but the truth of the matter would be the lack of consequence. You most likely will never see any of these people agian, you don't know them and it doesn't matter what you say to them or how you treat them since it won't bite you in the butt any time soon. /shrug I don't agree with that philosophy but a lot do. And just a note, if you put someone on /ignore you won't be grouped with them again through the RDF. -----signature----- "Pallys are simply self healing rocks." - IndridCole
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Riktor_before_IGN Posts: 2,153 Registered: Dec 20, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,091 User ID: 559,276	Subject: Tanking in the Present Game.
	Here's the image I think you wanted, from the online comic Penny Arcade, it references a different and much older 1stperson shooter game, but the idea is basically the same whether we are talking about WoW or an online discussion board like this one: In response to the original poster, I have commented on this several times in the past, usually sarcastically, but the main gripe I have always had with the RDF was that had it remained to your server only 95% of these problems would never show up. The one thing you should always keep in mind is this is a game you are paying to play to have fun with during your free time. It is not a volunteer service to babysit other people's spoiled brats. I can put up with all kinds of idiocy in WoWland, but the second an anonymous stranger starts being abusive to myself or anyone else in the group, after a warning if it persists either they are leaving or I am. That's not singling out any class or role either, everyone scews up, lags, gets distracted, whatever- Aholes/Dbags are present in every class and role. This is really the only "benefit" to tanking random dungeon finder instances, you will get another group instantly, every other role has a modest or quite long wait depending on the time of day. Here is my latest example of extreme WoW idiocy: A hunter in a troll random actually complained in group chat last night that the boss fights were taking too long- it was causing too much durability damge to his ranged weapon. Either us noobs needed to step it up, or start paying him to help on fights (I doubt the irony of a dps complaining about slow fights struck him). Silence of course greeted this unique concept. Followed by me explaining that as the tank, every instance I run, all my items are getting damaged, maybe he should pay me to be here? Then we moved on and nothing more was said. -----signature----- (none)
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