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Subject: Explanation of 371 honor gear
Zarhym posted:
You are correct. The season transition and introduction of new PvP items was different this time around, and we apologize for the lack of advanced warning.

The Season 9 set was removed today. The items available for purchase with Honor Points are now considered lower tier Season 10 items. They are still the same items from Season 9 in terms of aesthetics, but the item level and stats are slightly higher to ensure that the Season 10 honor gear has the correct item level relative to the Season 10 conquest gear.

It's likely this is how things will work going forward and we'll be sure to make that more clear when the next season transition takes place.

New basic transition flow:

1) Season X ends and rated play is unavailable; Season X gear becomes available for purchase with HP; CP is wiped.
2) One week later Season Y starts and rated play is available; Season X gear is removed entirely; Season Y introduces a low tier of items which replace Season X vendor items and are available for HP; Season Y introduces the new top items available for CP and rated play.


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Basically, PVPers were gearing up last week complete with re-gemming and enchants etc. and then 1 week later Blizzard changes the gear! So people wore that gear for 1 week and it is now obsolete... and people have to start regrinding again.



 

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Ferrydust posted:
Basically, PVPers were gearing up last week complete with re-gemming and enchants etc. and then 1 week later Blizzard changes the gear! So people wore that gear for 1 week and it is now obsolete... and people have to start regrinding again.


Working as intended.

 

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awesome... i haven't bought anything yet!!

 

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Subject: Explanation of 371 honor gear
All they did was move the gear from the conquest vendor to the honor vendor, and make conquest gear available.


It's the same gear


Edit: Okay, the weapons are the same (season 9), the armor is "season 10"...

So its half and half.

 

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LOL, and blizzard still gets defensive about "B-team" comments.

 

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Sigh. . . that is what I get for deciding to grind and get half a set of PvP gear.

 

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its kind of hilarious (only because i did not grind any honor that week) that they give such a huge "f you" to players like this.

 

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Aside from a weapon, I bought gloves, shoulders, and a ring. So not too terribly bad (especially since alterac valley was in its holiday weekend) but still would of been nice if I had known what they were planning on doing.

 

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There sure have been a lot of "mistakes" where pvp gear is concerned since 4.2 launched. On top of letting people waste points buying an obsolete set for a week, they converted people's honor to gold a week earlier than they said they were going to. I would imagine that there are a lot of people who lost a lot of points in those two debacles.



 

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At least ferals get some good looking gear this season.

 

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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2786569136?page=2#22

They updated the thread:

Zarhym posted

Thanks for making a clear-cut thread summarizing why this is a big issue within the PvP community, Tauranewone. To keep communication on this as clear as possible, I'll try and clarify what has happened with the transition between Seasons 9 and 10, as well as give you our take. For everyone reading along, please do not create new threads on this issue. We'll be primarily watching this one and would prefer to keep our forums as easy to read as possible.

Before getting into it, I want you all to know that we've maintained an open dialog with our developers over the past 24 hours regarding the way in which the PvP season transition went down since patch 4.2 (this includes relaying a lot of the feedback we've seen on the forums to them). We agree that the mistakes made were very unfortunate and unfair to a lot of players. We're currently exploring some options to try and alleviate some of the misfortune many of you experienced while purchasing PvP gear in the last week.

First off, to be clear, we made two mistakes which led to the primary cause of frustration for players:

1) We noted that Conquest Points were going to be converted into Honor Points above the 4,000 cap with the release of patch 4.2, giving players one week to spend these excess points before the start of Season 10, at which point the 4,000 point cap would go into effect. Instead, the Honor Point cap intended to be enforced yesterday was applied at the same time Conquest Points were converted to Honor Points with patch 4.2. This led many players who saved Conquest Points up for the season transition to receive gold for any Honor Points above 4,000, rather than points above that cap. There wasn't a feasible solution for correcting the fact that the calculations had been run a week early.

2) We didn't notify players that we made a slight change to the way PvP gear is introduced each season. The change simply wasn't communicated among all of the other patch 4.2 changes, which was a big oversight on our part.


These two errors compounded each other. Players were left with no more than 4,000 Honor Points after patch 4.2, which led many players to farm more HP to buy Season 9 gear. Then, when Season 10 hit yesterday, Season 9 (ilvl 365) items were replaced with an HP tier of Season 10 (ilvl 371) items. Since players didn't know this would happen, many of you farmed HP and spent it on the Season 9 items prior to yesterday's maintenance.

Obviously most of you already know what happened and are very frustrated by it, but I just want to clarify the nature of the unrest, as well as the intended way this season transition was to happen. This is the way it should have worked, and how it should work going forward:

1) During any season, a low tier of current-season items will be available for purchase with Honor Points.
2) During any season, a high tier of current-season items will be available for purchase with Conquest Points.
3) At the end of any season, any remaining Conquest Points will be converted into Honor Points above the 4,000 cap.
4) In between seasons, the previous high tier of items become available for purchase with Honor Points, allowing anyone who could not previously afford them with CP one last chance to buy them using the excess Honor Points.
5) The new season begins. Honor Points are capped at 4,000 again. The previous season's sets are removed and replaced with current-season HP and CP items.


We've seen a lot of players ask what the purpose is of having Season 9 items available for purchase with Honor Points for a week, before replacing them with better items. The purpose was for people to spend their excess Honor Points on any leftover items, as once the next season starts players can't keep more than 4,000 HP to spend. Now, the reason why this intent wasn't evident to most players is because we capped HP a week too early, which made spending any Honor Points last week less than ideal. The reality is players would have been better off saving 4,000 HP for the start of Season 10 when ilvl 371 gear was released. But they had no way of knowing that.

That is about all of the information I have to share on this subject at the moment, but I want to remind you that the issues with this season transition are well on our radar. We know we messed up in multiple ways. This not only made our intentions very unclear, but led players to make choices to spend their Honor Points they otherwise probably would not have made.

If everything went according to plan, you probably would've spent any HP over the 4,000 cap last week on any remaining Season 9 items you maybe didn't have. You then would have saved 4,000 HP to get started on the low tier Season 10 items. This is the way we're looking at it and will let you know if and when we have more information to share.

 

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Subject: Explanation of 371 honor gear
The blue response totally glosses over one of the biggest implications of the new system of rolling out pvp gear. Now, in order to enter into the next arena/rbg season with the best possible pvp gear, you're going to have to go back and grind regular bgs for honor between seasons.

They've essentially added another major time sink for pvpers who want to have the best gear available. The conquest gear from the previous season is now about half a tier below the new honor gear.

Hi, welcome to Blizzard, would you like some grind with that grind?

 

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And the B team is still retarded enough to call it "pvp" when in reality WoW has never been anything but carebear "gear v gear".

 

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Spookysheep posted:
And the B team is still retarded enough to call it "pvp" when in reality WoW has never been anything but carebear "gear v gear".


It used to be that way but not as much anymore. There is less discrepancy between the pieces now. And believe me.. I liked it a lot better when it was truly a gear war. I really did.


 

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Looks like they are moving pretty quickly in order to compensate folks:

<<Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We wanted to let everyone know that we’re working to address the miscommunication that occurred regarding the introduction of new item level 371 PvP gear, and share our current plans.

For background, many players spent their Honor Points on item level 365 gear once Season 9 ended only to find that more powerful item level 371 gear was available when season 10 started. We should have communicated ahead of time that this was going to be the case, and we apologize for the mistake.

We’ve been working over the past few days to evaluate and determine the best course of action to offer players some kind of compensation for those who were caught off guard by the new gear. The plan we’ve found to be achievable within an acceptable amount of time is to provide players who were affected with 4000 Honor Points. This extra Honor would function similarly to the currency down-conversion in that it would stack over the cap, but you would not be able to earn more until you spent under the 4000 cap.

The process of determining who was affected is certainly the most difficult task of this issue, and the entire process of figuring out who should receive the Honor or not and then delivering it isn’t anything less than a giant undertaking. We’re still evaluating many of the processes that will be required to make this happen. Although we’re fairly confident we can pull it off, there is still a chance it may not be possible. Due to other service related work the soonest we would be able to distribute this Honor is the 7/19 Tuesday maintenance. More complicated solutions we discussed could take months to implement, but we felt getting something to those affected as quickly as possible was more important.

Although some of this is still uncertain we felt it best to let people know as far in advance as possible to allow for adequate planning. We’ll be able to provide more information and specifics on how this process will be carried out, and the requirements to receive the 4000 Honor, next week.

Again, we apologize for any inconvenience caused by our miscommunication. We greatly appreciate those who took the time to give us constructive feedback on the matter.>>

 

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