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Gah every season... Twice this season :P It isn't an exploit, it's just a flawed system... I think.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2649806330?page=1
With the current MMR system the following exploit/clever use of game mechanics, whatever you want to call it, can award anyone with enough time on their hands with a gladiator and possibly rank one title. All you need to do is this http://i.imgur.com/iR9rb.jpg.
You get 2 teammates with low mmr thus boosting your mmr while winning. Their mmr barely goes up because the system thinks you are carrying them thus awarding you even more mmr.
Once your mmr reaches 3.8-4k which is just a matter of time with an average mmr of MERELY 1800 you do the same process with 2 more characters to get their mmr to 3.8-4k.
Then you get these 3 farmed up characters with 4k mmr and voila your average team mmr is 4000.. without ever having to worry about facing a team over 2k mmr.
The last step is playing a few games to just get the team rating up and woooo look at that 40% win ratio with a rating of 3000  as you can see on this link here http://www.arenajunkies.com/team/3v3/kr/%EC%95%84%EC%A6%88%EC%83%A4%EB%9D%BC/552336-%EA%B4%91%EC%97%AD%EB%8F%84%EB%B0%9C%EC%9E%84%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%A4-%E A%B3%A0%EA%B0%B1%EB%8B%98/
and 3.200 rated with 50% win ratio as u can see on this link here
http://www.arenajunkies.com/team/3v3/kr/%EC%95%84%EC%A6%88%EC%83%A4%EB%9D%BC/552334-%EA%B7%B8%EB%9D%BC%ED%8B%B0%EC%8A%A4%EA%B0%80-%ED%9D%89%ED%8F%AC%E A%B2%80%EC%9D%84-%EB%8B%AC%EA%B2%8C-%ED%95%A0-%EC%88%9C-%EC%97%86%EC%A7%80-%ED%83%80%ED%95%AB/
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The thread you linked to from the official forums has been deleted. Guess it's "working as intended."
It's sad that after investing so much time and money, and putting the community through so many nerf and buff cycles, to make arenas work they're still such a mess.
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Its sad when "exploit early, exploit often" determines "success" in a game...and "skill" has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Arena blows goats, and they should never have been introduced to the game.
I'll go so far as to say that if you want PVP gear, you HAVE to play on a PVP server....and remove PVE servers from the battlegroups entirely.
They chose PVE only servers...give it to them.
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WoW took soo much from other games(which is common now) and yet they never looked into or spent some of their billions to hire people to create, borrow or balance a working pvp system. Many games have came and gone, yet WoW stands alone as the worst tested/balanced game ever in the MMO genre for pvp. Even Shadowbane had its shit together better than this.
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People cheat in PvP? Now that's a real newsflash 
Sad, as always, but not surprising...
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The_Korrigan posted:
People cheat in PvP? Now that's a real newsflash
These threads aren't really about people cheating -- they're about Blizzard willfully ignoring the obvious, known and published cheats/flaws/SNAFU/whatever you wanna call it, making the entire thing a complete joke.
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Ugh_Lancelot posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
People cheat in PvP? Now that's a real newsflash
These threads aren't really about people cheating -- they're about Blizzard willfully ignoring the obvious, known and published cheats/flaws/SNAFU/whatever you wanna call it, making the entire thing a complete joke.
They cant admit anything is wrong, that might tarnish their E-sport.
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Blizzard's failed warden cannot even keep up with detecting all the latest game hacks, which completely determine PVP victories now.
Yet blizzard insists on continuing with the facade.
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i think if someone spends all the time to figure this out and then go through it then they deserve the reward
Comedy gold right there. 
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i think if someone spends all the time to figure this out and then go through it then they deserve the reward
You know, it's kinda funny, and perhaps I'm from "old skool AC macroing days" but to me, this makes sense. The guy who figured this out was pretty smart and probably put more work into it then someone who actually wins, however, the legions of people who follow in his footsteps don't deserve anything, and there is the problem. One guy gaming the system generally doesn't set things out of wack.
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on my destro lock, i solo'd a challenger DK today... legit solo.
clearly the system is flawed. he should have wiped the floor with me. no way he climbed the ladder.
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OldBitterCraig posted:
on my destro lock, i solo'd a challenger DK today... legit solo.
clearly the system is flawed. he should have wiped the floor with me. no way he climbed the ladder.
A destro lock can't kill anyone. I call shenanigans.
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nm:(
edit will report later :P
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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
Shenron_ posted:
i think if someone spends all the time to figure this out and then go through it then they deserve the reward
You know, it's kinda funny, and perhaps I'm from "old skool AC macroing days" but to me, this makes sense. The guy who figured this out was pretty smart and probably put more work into it then someone who actually wins, however, the legions of people who follow in his footsteps don't deserve anything, and there is the problem. One guy gaming the system generally doesn't set things out of wack.
The same could be said for Raid encounters, the first people who figure it out deserve the rewards but not the others who just follow the guide.
If a system in ran by math then math can find the optimal solution.
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_Warlucky_ posted:
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
Shenron_ posted:
i think if someone spends all the time to figure this out and then go through it then they deserve the reward
You know, it's kinda funny, and perhaps I'm from "old skool AC macroing days" but to me, this makes sense. The guy who figured this out was pretty smart and probably put more work into it then someone who actually wins, however, the legions of people who follow in his footsteps don't deserve anything, and there is the problem. One guy gaming the system generally doesn't set things out of wack.
The same could be said for Raid encounters, the first people who figure it out deserve the rewards but not the others who just follow the guide.
If a system in ran by math then math can find the optimal solution.
And typically the guy who finds the solution is rewarded, whether it be naming it after them or what. *shrug* I'm not saying we should start allowing cheating or giving grace to the cheaters, but the guy who "figured it out" gets a bit more respect than the copy cats, whatever it is.
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_Warlucky_ posted:
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
Shenron_ posted:
i think if someone spends all the time to figure this out and then go through it then they deserve the reward
You know, it's kinda funny, and perhaps I'm from "old skool AC macroing days" but to me, this makes sense. The guy who figured this out was pretty smart and probably put more work into it then someone who actually wins, however, the legions of people who follow in his footsteps don't deserve anything, and there is the problem. One guy gaming the system generally doesn't set things out of wack.
The same could be said for Raid encounters, the first people who figure it out deserve the rewards but not the others who just follow the guide.
If a system in ran by math then math can find the optimal solution.
If Blizzard only rewarded the people who actually deserved the rewards the game would collapse to 100k subscribers overnight.
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Broken_Kayfabe posted:
If Blizzard only rewarded the people who actually deserved the rewards the game would collapse to 100k subscribers overnight.
You seriously believe this drivel?
Ultimately Blizzard only "rewards" one behavior, paying for a subscription. That feeling of superiority that beating scripted encounters give you is just to keep you forking over the money. At the end of the day you're just another rat hitting the feeder bar like the rest of us, you just do it with more finesse, congratulations.
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For some reason, when the fellow above was talking about cheaters deserving to win for all their hard work, all I could think of was James T. Kirk saying "I don't believe in the no-win scenario"....thanks for the lol.
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TruthyID posted:
Broken_Kayfabe posted:
If Blizzard only rewarded the people who actually deserved the rewards the game would collapse to 100k subscribers overnight.
You seriously believe this drivel?
Ultimately Blizzard only "rewards" one behavior, paying for a subscription. That feeling of superiority that beating scripted encounters give you is just to keep you forking over the money. At the end of the day you're just another rat hitting the feeder bar like the rest of us, you just do it with more finesse, congratulations.
Just when I think I've seen the dumbest the human race can get, I meet you.
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Broken_Kayfabe posted:
If Blizzard only rewarded the people who actually deserved the rewards the game would collapse to 100k subscribers overnight.
But who defines deserving?
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So anyway... A few friends and I decided to see what was going on with this so we jumped on our lowbie alts and faced this team which was bringing the rogue up:
The rogue is 2441 already because his teammates have dropped their mmrs to 1429 and 447 (lol) which makes their team mmr 1439. So they are playing low teams and the rogue is in full 372 gear now.
We didn't face them again so we got another noobie team and faced them:
You can see that the rogue has now moved up to 2562 by facing teams in the 1550's.
and then finally.
The rogue is now at 2631 and still climbing by facing lowbie teams.
His partners will have to go drop their mmrs some more so he doesn't have to risk playing anyone above 1550.
Now the way MMR and team rating works is: You do not lose any team rating for losing a game if you are not near your mmr. So the rogue will get to some astronomical mmr and then pair up with his 2 friends who have also used this system and hope to be able to beat lowbie teams to sky rocket their team rating up to their mmr.
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Of course if everyone did this, all those teams in the 1500s would be the same quality as that rogue!
So the clear message is, exploit early exploit often.
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OMG typical blizzard response to this!
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2723732
PvP
Arenas
The individual Matchmaking Rating column has been removed from the Arena scoreboard.
This way we can't see what is going on. They have consistently made changes that make it impossible to keep other players in check.
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OMG typical blizzard response to this!
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2723732
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The individual Matchmaking Rating column has been removed from the Arena scoreboard.
This way we can't see what is going on. They have consistently made changes that make it impossible to keep other players in check.
/waves hands
These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along...
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