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Neth, do you think your voice has lost strength with the community?
No, I don't. I just think that people have concerns (of which we're aware of) and we're doing what we can to address what we can as we go.
As for having someone else speak, we've been talking and will continue to talk. Just recently Dave Kosak gave some insight on the new quest hubs. (On the blog.) Greg Street continues to share his own insights there as well. No matter your personal thoughts or feelings about what they have to say, they care deeply for the game and community.
While some may have concerns over whether their questions in the Q&As are being answered or not, we are talking there as well. We're here in the forums responding to what we can.
It's true we don't have infinite resources and that's been true since day one of World of Warcraft. That hasn't changed. I see it come up time and time again that the "good" devs have moved to the new project, but that too isn't true in the way people think it is and is insulting and dismissive to the guys (and gals) who have been on the team for years. The people working on World of Warcraft are people who have been here for years or are still being guided by those who have been here for years. The people who "left" WoW haven't really left either. They are here at the studio lending their ears and thoughts to those still working on World of Warcraft. They haven't washed their hands of the game and the company hasn't washed their hands either.
We know we aren't always going to agree on a direction. We know we can make mistakes or not anticipate every possible outcome, but there is no way I'm going to tell you that we don't care, or that the developers don't care or that we are insular from the concerns being voiced.
We are and continue to be passionate about the game and about the community. We're never going to give everyone their perfect answer, but that isn't going to stop us from trying to meet and exceed expectations where we can. We aren't beat or beaten but can understand how easy it is to buy into that idea with so many people repeating the thought. Sometimes it's hard to be positive when you only see the negative, but the positive is still there and we refuse to lay down and go with the negative flow of thought. As any game "ages" it is so easy to forget the good and the "polish" and start picking at what you see as flaws. It's also easy to take for granted all the things that are added in because they make so much sense. Eventually you forget that it was ever new to begin with because it feels like it was always there.
Again, we're totally open to constructive feedback. We're not deaf to it. We just may not react immediately or have the answer you want. It's just not always possible to. That doesn't mean we didn't hear it or think about it on one level or another and it doesn't mean that we are going to suddenly stop listening because we don't like what someone has to say. We're just asking that the dialogue stay open, honest, and most importantly constructive.
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As any game "ages" it is so easy to forget the good and the "polish" and start picking at what you see as flaws.
It's also easy to dismiss fairly widely held concerns as aesthetics and push on with fundamental redesigns of core game mechanics under the veil of "design prerogative." That's fine but don't act like you won't pay the price for unpopular homogenization and the reduction of complexity (read: interesting non-standard or edge-case playstyle options) in favor of simplicity of maintenance and/or PVP "balance."
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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2649966340?page=4#63
Neth, do you think your voice has lost strength with the community?
No, I don't. I just think that people have concerns (of which we're aware of) and we're doing what we can to address what we can as we go.
As for having someone else speak, we've been talking and will continue to talk. Just recently Dave Kosak gave some insight on the new quest hubs. (On the blog.) Greg Street continues to share his own insights there as well. No matter your personal thoughts or feelings about what they have to say, they care deeply for the game and community.
While some may have concerns over whether their questions in the Q&As are being answered or not, we are talking there as well. We're here in the forums responding to what we can.
It's true we don't have infinite resources and that's been true since day one of World of Warcraft. That hasn't changed. I see it come up time and time again that the "good" devs have moved to the new project, but that too isn't true in the way people think it is and is insulting and dismissive to the guys (and gals) who have been on the team for years. The people working on World of Warcraft are people who have been here for years or are still being guided by those who have been here for years. The people who "left" WoW haven't really left either. They are here at the studio lending their ears and thoughts to those still working on World of Warcraft. They haven't washed their hands of the game and the company hasn't washed their hands either.
We know we aren't always going to agree on a direction. We know we can make mistakes or not anticipate every possible outcome, but there is no way I'm going to tell you that we don't care, or that the developers don't care or that we are insular from the concerns being voiced.
We are and continue to be passionate about the game and about the community. We're never going to give everyone their perfect answer, but that isn't going to stop us from trying to meet and exceed expectations where we can. We aren't beat or beaten but can understand how easy it is to buy into that idea with so many people repeating the thought. Sometimes it's hard to be positive when you only see the negative, but the positive is still there and we refuse to lay down and go with the negative flow of thought. As any game "ages" it is so easy to forget the good and the "polish" and start picking at what you see as flaws. It's also easy to take for granted all the things that are added in because they make so much sense. Eventually you forget that it was ever new to begin with because it feels like it was always there.
Again, we're totally open to constructive feedback. We're not deaf to it. We just may not react immediately or have the answer you want. It's just not always possible to. That doesn't mean we didn't hear it or think about it on one level or another and it doesn't mean that we are going to suddenly stop listening because we don't like what someone has to say. We're just asking that the dialogue stay open, honest, and most importantly constructive.
And yet, everything they do is completely the opposite of what they say. There is no mystical secret why people complain. Hypocrisy begets ill feelings.
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"I see it come up time and time again that the "good" devs have moved to the new project, but that too isn't true in the way people think it is"
Ha ha I see what they did there. At least some honesty.
And what Peo said, hypocrisy and lying beget ill-will, that should not surprise Blizz.
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Argle Bargle...
This is what I got from it:
1. They know certain staff shouldnt be responding to players.
2. Boo hoo, they are people too.
3. They only will respond to "constructive" criticizm, ie, things they want to hear. They will ignore anything they dont like.
4. Once again, like a spoiled child, they act like their decisions are the correct ones and the players dont matter.
Im waiting for them to start patting the air and telling us "shhhh, shhh. You just dont understand."
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I love that he was so "butthurt" about the B team comments...
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
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Ferrydust posted:
It's true we don't have infinite resources
He MUST be kidding.
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I love that he was so "butthurt" about the B team comments...
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
All of them act this way too. Funny stuff.
Nerdrage at its finest. Even among their peers, no one likes them. Hah!
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The_Korrigan posted:
Ferrydust posted:
It's true we don't have infinite resources
He MUST be kidding.
I laughed at that one a bit. 
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I know I shouldn't take pleasure in it, but it is amusing to watch the once great MMO champion Blizzard tread water. They feel kind of second rate now. Even though they're still far and away the market leader, it's like everything they do is a lesson in how not to design a MMOs.
Whoever is ultimately in charge, their core designers, just come off as people that enjoy horrible video games. Ghostcrawler is of course the most visible and vocal target. The things he dismissed as "boring" or "pointless" tended to be things about the game people really liked. How he can not see how harmful homogenization is to not just the game but the genre at large is beyond me.
It would not surprise me in the least to see a new round of server merges and widespread free transfers soon. I know every day someone is all "doom and gloom" about MMO-X, but it's really obvious right now that WoW is declining more rapidly than I think anyone would have expected.
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Blizzard has gone from designing the game for the player to designing the game for what Blizzard thinks the player wants, which it is failing at considerably.
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This is the plight of any successful MMO anymore.
Find a winning formula and you get tons of loyal customers playing the game and they happy. And then they decide they know exactly what the player wants and makes a huge change that pisses of the core of the people who love playing the game.
Like DAOC did with TOA. Yes we have a hugely successful PVP/RVR game, we know what you guys are demanding, more PVE with gear/abilities that totally ruins the PVP/RVR that you love so much.
I mean WOW had to do something right in WOTLK if they managed to find a way to get me interested in end game raiding and doing rep grinds and so on. I hate raiding for the most part, i have no patience for it, yet I was doing it and loving it. Then Cataclysm comes out and boom, fun goes away.....
I guess is just good old hubris!
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It is funny the different ways someone can read something depending on what they want to read.
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Dear Blizzard,
I don't really care which development team is in place, or which set of developers are there now who were not there from the beginning, but are being guided by some who were....
I don't really care whether you feel beat or not...
I don't really care how you are struggling to be positive with all the negative around....
Those are your internal issues.
I care about my experience inside the game.
This isn't about YOU Blizzard.
This is about the customer and the customer experience and whether you can demonstrate that (a) you understand it and (b) how important it is.
I'm sorry that you're struggling with issues as a result of your customers repeatedly telling you you've missed the mark in both cases.
Can we please return the focus where it belongs?
Thank you.
-former customer
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Auenwing posted:
Dear Blizzard,
I don't really care which development team is in place, or which set of developers are there now who were not there from the beginning, but are being guided by some who were....
I don't really care whether you feel beat or not...
I don't really care how you are struggling to be positive with all the negative around....
Those are your internal issues.
I care about my experience inside the game.
This isn't about YOU Blizzard.
This is about the customer and the customer experience and whether you can demonstrate that (a) you understand it and (b) how important it is.
I'm sorry that you're struggling with issues as a result of your customers repeatedly telling you you've missed the mark in both cases.
Can we please return the focus where it belongs?
Thank you.
-former customer
Wait...wut?
We don't have infinite resources. Although, to be fair, our resources are as close as you can get to infinite in the gaming industry.
People hurt our feelings. How would you like everyone to know you are a C team member? Some of the C team members were some of the best @$#@&@!!#@ mail clerks you are ever going to find. They deserve respect.
Arbitrary stats shoved down your throat like mastery is a GOOD thing. Why would we lie? We want you to have choices but as long as those choices are forced or coerced.
But enough about you, the customer, let's talk about us, the C team!!
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Arunne posted:
This is the plight of any successful MMO anymore.
Find a winning formula and you get tons of loyal customers playing the game and they happy. And then they decide they know exactly what the player wants and makes a huge change that pisses of the core of the people who love playing the game.
Like DAOC did with TOA. Yes we have a hugely successful PVP/RVR game, we know what you guys are demanding, more PVE with gear/abilities that totally ruins the PVP/RVR that you love so much.
I mean WOW had to do something right in WOTLK if they managed to find a way to get me interested in end game raiding and doing rep grinds and so on. I hate raiding for the most part, i have no patience for it, yet I was doing it and loving it. Then Cataclysm comes out and boom, fun goes away.....
I guess is just good old hubris!
Any time you make a change that the player base may not like you are taking a chance. Star Wars Galaxies did it twice. The first was the CU which addressed many long standing issues with the game such as weapon speed having no effect on the game if and only if you took the correct talents. The second was the NGE which took the game and tossed it on its side with extreme game changing changes. The game would have survived the first but the second crashed the game to a level it really could not recover from and although it isn't a bad game today even with server merges the population is very low.
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I disagree about the CU not killing SWG, although that is another debate (not for this forum anyway).
Anyway, as long as they are raking in money, they will not be done with it. People move on to other projects, other people take over, the way it is. The people taking over have their own vision, and have probably been itching to implement it, now they have. So, now they have to learn the things the original designers learned about balance, etc. I don't think WoW is going away anytime soon.
Interesting comment about the number of subscribers here;
"http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35044/Interview_trions_debut_rift_closes_in_on_1M_sellthrough.php"
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Its funny how transparent the situation has become.
Blizzard is worried, and every time they post yet another dismissive response to "all the negativity", all they do is confirm that the negativity is finally out-weighing all the positive feedback they used to enjoy.
I'm shocked that the money people at blizzard have not cleaned house and fired every idiot that has spoken to the public so far.
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but that too isn't true in the way people think it is and is insulting and dismissive to the guys (and gals) who have been on the team for years.
And the "(and gals)" isn't insulting and dismissive? If you're gonna add "and gals" leave the parantheses out, or just say "to the guys" because hey, frankly it doesn't hurt most girls' feelings to be included with "the guys". And hell, I know some girls have gone up to bunch of female friends and said "Hey guys!" What a shocker.
Sorry for the total side note there, that just struck my irony bone.
And frankly, that was a very pretty speech. But it was just that, a speech. Actions speak louder than words, stop talking, and start delivering. And frankly, if your feelings are hurt, too bad. You're a "popularity" industry so get a thicker skin and start paying attention to what makes you popular. And no, it's not you.
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but that too isn't true in the way people think it is and is insulting and dismissive to the guys (and gals) who have been on the team for years.
And the "(and gals)" isn't insulting and dismissive? If you're gonna add "and gals" leave the parantheses out, or just say "to the guys" because hey, frankly it doesn't hurt most girls' feelings to be included with "the guys". And hell, I know some girls have gone up to bunch of female friends and said "Hey guys!" What a shocker.
Sorry for the total side note there, that just struck my irony bone.
And frankly, that was a very pretty speech. But it was just that, a speech. Actions speak louder than words, stop talking, and start delivering. And frankly, if your feelings are hurt, too bad. You're a "popularity" industry so get a thicker skin and start paying attention to what makes you popular. And no, it's not you.
Agreed. They are a business. They arent my friends. I dont care if they are "sad" or "upset" about people making them feel bad. I dont want to hear about their personal lives. Quite frankly, Im a customer who expects and demands the proper customer service and am not going to require anything less if one of them had a bad day.
This is what you get when you promote people from within who have no experience with customer service. Yeah sure, Joeschmo was great at designing trees and mountains and has been with the company for three years, but that doesnt mean he can work well with a customer.
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Yea that post from Naethwhatever reveals a lot about how the B Team thinks. They don't see customer feedback and criticism that should inform them about their product and where they need to go with it. They take it all personally. Aw poor mult million dollar revenue making baby. Just act professional for once, for once for christs sake, and fix your game.
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Honestly, what a dumb question. Blizzard shouldn't have even responded.
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Keep up the good work Blizz. I enjoy "YOUR" game.
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vn_vigilante66 posted:
Blizzard has gone from designing the game for the player to designing the game for what Blizzard thinks the player wants, which it is failing at considerably.
Not quite true, they did the same thing Turbine did with AC2. They went from designing a game for the players and designing the game they want.
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Spookysheep posted:
Its funny how transparent the situation has become.
Blizzard is worried, and every time they post yet another dismissive response to "all the negativity", all they do is confirm that the negativity is finally out-weighing all the positive feedback they used to enjoy.
I'm shocked that the money people at blizzard have not cleaned house and fired every idiot that has spoken to the public so far.
this!
seems like they need to take a step back and see what made this game great...and try to bring it back.
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Yea that post from Naethwhatever reveals a lot about how the B Team thinks. They don't see customer feedback and criticism that should inform them about their product and where they need to go with it. They take it all personally. Aw poor mult million dollar revenue making baby. Just act professional for once, for once for christs sake, and fix your game.
Nethaera has been around as long as I can remember. She is not "B team".
And "fix" the game?
WoW is by no means perfect but good grief some of you people are so damn melodramatic.
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Yea that post from Naethwhatever reveals a lot about how the B Team thinks. They don't see customer feedback and criticism that should inform them about their product and where they need to go with it. They take it all personally. Aw poor mult million dollar revenue making baby. Just act professional for once, for once for christs sake, and fix your game.
Nethaera has been around as long as I can remember. She is not "B team".
And "fix" the game?
WoW is by no means perfect but good grief some of you people are so damn melodramatic.
*removes the slide*
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This is an example of why Blizzard lost so many customers, and continues to do so. There are myriad logical fallacies to point out here. There is also the oft cited denial of reality. Blizzard chose to listen to people like this, those with extremely limited reasoning, like themselves, during their recent developments. Their defense has always been "it is the players fault". This has lead to poor thinkers like Boone here embracing them.
The humorously personal attacks, like "you're melodramatic". Just like "you're just unorganized" despite the fact that all of these CUSTOMERS you're speaking to were enjoying themselves just fine before B-Team took over.
The game is a game, the developers have full control over it. If they make changes that aren't fun, their customers let them know. But mental midgets will defend those poor changes to their death. And tell you it's your fault. And how any reasonable person can rationalize such a bizzare assertion is, obviously, beyond the rest of the million-or-so that has quit the game since Blizzard started thinking this way*.
* and yes, 600k just barely past the release of the expansion is the tip of the iceburg. Look at the recent patch notes. They have obviously lost magnitudes more than that.
Anyways, reality is reality, and the truth of bad design is stark and in our face. Enjoy it, I guess? Just don't exoect WoW to be anywhere near as popular as it used to be if even a fraction of the customerbase agrees with you.
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At least they attempt some changes, some of which seem to really be lame, but they seem to tweak a lot, perhaps too much at times. However some companies like say Mythic were/are so head strong they would nerf classes into the ground and leave them that way for 4yrs or more, with no changes, although they might add a few jabs to the player base, that didn't seem to work out too well for them, lol.
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Boone-Eldar posted:
Blisteringballs posted:
Yea that post from Naethwhatever reveals a lot about how the B Team thinks. They don't see customer feedback and criticism that should inform them about their product and where they need to go with it. They take it all personally. Aw poor mult million dollar revenue making baby. Just act professional for once, for once for christs sake, and fix your game.
Nethaera has been around as long as I can remember. She is not "B team".
And "fix" the game?
WoW is by no means perfect but good grief some of you people are so damn melodramatic.
*removes the slide*
*professor in front of a class*
**what follows is a post mortem**
This is an example of why Blizzard lost so many customers, and continues to do so. There are myriad logical fallacies to point out here. There is also the oft cited denial of reality. Blizzard chose to listen to people like this, those with extremely limited reasoning, like themselves, during their recent developments. Their defense has always been "it is the players fault". This has lead to poor thinkers like Boone here embracing them.
The humorously personal attacks, like "you're melodramatic". Just like "you're just unorganized" despite the fact that all of these CUSTOMERS you're speaking to were enjoying themselves just fine before B-Team took over.
The game is a game, the developers have full control over it. If they make changes that aren't fun, their customers let them know. But mental midgets will defend those poor changes to their death. And tell you it's your fault. And how any reasonable person can rationalize such a bizzare assertion is, obviously, beyond the rest of the million-or-so that has quit the game since Blizzard started thinking this way*.
* and yes, 600k just barely past the release of the expansion is the tip of the iceburg. Look at the recent patch notes. They have obviously lost magnitudes more than that.
Anyways, reality is reality, and the truth of bad design is stark and in our face. Enjoy it, I guess? Just don't exoect WoW to be anywhere near as popular as it used to be if even a fraction of the customerbase agrees with you.
/facepalm
It is pretty simple there professor. If you are not enjoying yourself move on. Nothing and no one is holding a gun to your head and making you play the game or keep your subscription. There are tons of different options out there, find one that you enjoy more.
Why waste your time day after day, month after month, year after year complaining about what is wrong with a particular video game?
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I like to waste my time day after day, month after month, year after year complaining about people who complain about a particular video game.
And it keeps getting funnier
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I like to waste my time day after day, month after month, year after year complaining about people who complain about a particular video game.
And it keeps getting funnier
Last time I checked this was a fan board. Or is it a game/developer bashing board now?
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If WoW is NOT what you are looking for, then post on the other boards for the games you like.
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And I get angrier with each day that passes because I desperately want to be a mod but they won't let me.
But why bro?
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Boone, it is perfectly feasible to be a "fan", and still dislike the direction the game is going/has gone.
I wonder how many football "fans" have screamed for a new coach after a losing season, or thrown beer and chips at their TV (most just curse at it) after a "stupid decision" by the same....
Or how many WOW players 'scream' for GC to be fired, or at least stop making stupid decisions after the game takes a bad direction, and loses hundreds of thousands of subscriptions because of it?
Your argument is hereby classified as a complete failure.
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And I get angrier with each day that passes because I desperately want to be a mod but they won't let me.
But why bro?
I quiver in anger at my keyboard. You should see my face, it is bright red I am so angry and I have pulled out most of my hair and ground my teeth into nubs over the years in frustration at what is said on these boards.
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Boone, it is perfectly feasible to be a "fan", and still dislike the direction the game is going/has gone.
I wonder how many football "fans" have screamed for a new coach after a losing season, or thrown beer and chips at their TV (most just curse at it) after a "stupid decision" by the same....
Or how many WOW players 'scream' for GC to be fired, or at least stop making stupid decisions after the game takes a bad direction, and loses hundreds of thousands of subscriptions because of it?
Your argument is hereby classified as a complete failure.
Again.
lol using another irrational thought process to validate your own is classic.
Sports fans who act in the same manner need to get a life as well. Some of them are even more pathetic than you are. I mean it's not like they actually are a member of that sports team and get anything out of that team winning or losing. It is entertainment, nothing more.
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Sports fans who act in the same manner need to get a life as well. Some of them are even more pathetic than you are. I mean it's not like they actually are a member of that sports team and get anything out of that team winning or losing. It is entertainment, nothing more.
See? You admit they are fans, which by your own words throws your original argument right under the bus.
Self-ownage at its peak.
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Sports fans who act in the same manner need to get a life as well. Some of them are even more pathetic than you are. I mean it's not like they actually are a member of that sports team and get anything out of that team winning or losing. It is entertainment, nothing more.
See? You admit they are fans, which by your own words throws your original argument right under the bus.
Self-ownage at its peak.
Good job.
lol fans don't do the things you describe.
Fanatics do.
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Ferrydust posted:
It's true we don't have infinite resources
He MUST be kidding.
People can be considered a resource so thats how I took this. They can hire and hire but if there isn't a great pool to hire from then it will be more crap.
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Boone-Eldar posted:
GutterSludge posted:
Boone-Eldar posted:
Sports fans who act in the same manner need to get a life as well. Some of them are even more pathetic than you are. I mean it's not like they actually are a member of that sports team and get anything out of that team winning or losing. It is entertainment, nothing more.
See? You admit they are fans, which by your own words throws your original argument right under the bus.
Self-ownage at its peak.
Good job.
lol fans don't do the things you describe.
Fanatics do.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fanatic
Definition of FANATIC
: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion
Since most here are very critical of the game, That would make THEM "Fans", and anyone who blindly accepts everything Blizzard rams down their throat (such as yourself) the FANATIC.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fanatic
Definition of FANATIC
: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion
Since most here are very critical of the game, That would make THEM "Fans", and anyone who blindly accepts everything Blizzard rams down their throat (such as yourself) the FANATIC.
LrN2EnGrIsh BrAh.
I guess I was wrong, fans apparently by definition are not critical...
Definition of FAN
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: an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
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: an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) <science-fiction fans>
Origin of FAN
probably short for fanatic
LrN2enGrIsh "Brah"
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I quiver in anger at my keyboard. You should see my face, it is bright red I am so angry and I have pulled out most of my hair and ground my teeth into nubs over the years in frustration at what is said on these boards.
The sad part is, it is pretty obvious you are telling the truth and attempting to sound facetious 
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I quiver in anger at my keyboard. You should see my face, it is bright red I am so angry and I have pulled out most of my hair and ground my teeth into nubs over the years in frustration at what is said on these boards.
The sad part is, it is pretty obvious you are telling the truth and attempting to sound facetious
/pat pat
Indeed.
You forgot to mention the part where I flip burgers for a living, am grossly overweight and live on a diet of Cheetos and Mountain Dew Code Red.
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I guess I was wrong
Yes, every time you hit "Post Reply".
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I like to waste my time day after day, month after month, year after year complaining about people who complain about a particular video game.
And it keeps getting funnier
Last time I checked this was a fan board. Or is it a game/developer bashing board now?
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If WoW is NOT what you are looking for, then post on the other boards for the games you like.
Coming here and pissing off the locals who are looking forward to World of Warcraft is not.
for people that are fans and not fanbois have legitimate complaints about the game and the direction it is headed. For me they continue to change the game in ways that are not needed. I would have preferred either Vanellia WoW or even BC WoW with just added content.
Or at the very least Blizzard keeping their promises like adding more hero classes and the such.
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Surprised this isn't locked yet. Sorry for the interruption. /carry on 
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Boone-Eldar posted:
Spookysheep posted:
Boone-Eldar posted:
I like to waste my time day after day, month after month, year after year complaining about people who complain about a particular video game.
And it keeps getting funnier
Last time I checked this was a fan board. Or is it a game/developer bashing board now?
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If WoW is NOT what you are looking for, then post on the other boards for the games you like.
Coming here and pissing off the locals who are looking forward to World of Warcraft is not.
So you're going to constantly troll a bunch of threads from people who like to discuss (possibly with dwindling hopes of a redress of grievances) a game that many perceive to have taken a turn for the worse, and then call them out for violating the spirit of the forums after you just repeatedly violated the spirit of the forums?
Careful with that circular logic, there. As enthusiastic as you are about it, you might later regret not giving yourself a pre-emptive reach-around.
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Surprised this isn't locked yet. Sorry for the interruption. /carry on
On a normal forum, this would indeed be locked, and some bans issued. But here, the kindergarden brigade is allowed to molest anyone they want without being worried.
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I guess I was wrong
Yes, every time you hit "Post Reply".
No comment on that Fan is a derivative of Fanatic and as such according to Websters definition you really are not a Fan eh?
The whole Websters things didn't really pan out for you did it "brah".
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It said "probably"....( probably doesn't really warrant a response)
Regardless, even if one is (PROBABLY) a derivative of the other, then they are similar in meaning (one being more extreme than the other), which STILL makes your original point just as ridiculous.
Here you are, backpedaling, AGAIN...
Because you said something stupid, AGAIN..
and someone called you on it, AGAIN.
One of us looks extremely stupid in this thread, and it isn't me
By all means have the last word, and improve on what you have already accomplished
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Wotlk was the wow killer for me. It just rained gear, the only way anybody could have better gear was running HM's and even several of those were not really "HM". Welfare is about the closest thing I can relate that entire xpac to and it left enough of a sour taste that I most likely will never return to even find a reason to qq about Cata.
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