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After gearing my rogue and hunter in ZA/ZG, I decided to throw my warrior into a few runs. After a couple bosses a mage pointed out that half my gear was PvP gear (which is is) and laughed at me for being in the run.
Here was my course of action:
- I posted the recount for the boss we just killed
- Me (19k), Hunter (15k), Mage (14k), tank (..)
- I then voted to kick the mage and he was replaced
Was this bad? Am I a mean person? What would you have done? Granted my hunter could pull 20k on the boss but I figured my warrior was holding his own. It was good for laughs in the group anyway.
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The mage was an asshat. PvP gear's just fine for heroics. Even if it's just a filler until you get something comparable. They're heroics, not raids.
I don't know that I'd have booted him, but if he kept pressing the point and was showing worse dps than both you and the hunter it was probably a good idea.
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I wouldn't have vote-kicked him immediately. I would rather have enjoyed his embarrassment at the recount numbers first... (but maybe you did).
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I play a pally, I can't talk smack about anyone's DPS numbers 
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Which boss was that recount from, out of curiosity?
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Which boss was that recount from, out of curiosity?
I'm bad with names. The one where he insta-gibs people, the NPC rezzes you and there is his pet raptor that he keeps rezzing. Bloodlord Mandokir I think.
Edit: Every boss was the same (order not numbers) except for Jin'do. I was humping the chains cause I didn't want to miss slams. Only had some AE add damage and his phase 1 damage.
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I would have ignored him and just finished the run.
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I think you both acted like a couple of kids.
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I think you both acted like a couple of kids.
He touched me first!!!
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You handled it appropriately imo
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I think you both acted like a couple of kids.
He touched me first!!!
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Any mage who doesnt pull 24K and then talks smack deserves to be embarassed and booted. Good job.
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Pre-Cata I generally pulled 50% of total damage on both trash and bosses when I specced DPS, and 35-40% when I was specced for tanking. The joys of being a DK and also knowing how to actually play the class properly.
That being said, I never really minded carrying people through dungeons so long as they were not being so awful as to just stand in place auto-attacking and not using abilities. I would throw in advice after looking at recount data for their class if I was feeling helpful and was comfortable with how to play that particular class.
On the other side of the coin, if anyone mouthed off at someone else when they were being awful at their class themselves, I would vote to kick them, and if it was multiple people being stupid, would whisper the new arrival to vote to kick the second most annoying person.
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Any mage who doesnt pull 24K and then talks smack deserves to be embarassed and booted. Good job.
No kidding. Just last night I was with a mage that was doing just under 30k some fights and just over 30k other fights. He was almost doubling the 2nd place DPS. Those mage numbers might be normal in raiding but I can't get close to that in ZA/ZG on my warrior or rogue. AE fights for sure :P but he was doing this on boss fights.
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I never really minded carrying people through dungeons so long as they were not being so awful as to just stand in place auto-attacking and not using abilities.
I don't mind either. As long as they don't start nit-picking at those who are carrying them through the dungeon. Put the tail between the legs and enjoy the ride. Don't start make lame comments about gear if they have you trumped on the meters.
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I doubt that players comment would have ranked high enough with me to consider longer than a second. I probably was the brunt of them when I played but don't recall.
Huge dorks take this game seriously and build their world around topical forum conversations. Like those that revolve around pvp gear. Who cares?
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I call people out for PvP gear all the time, but only when they are pulling crappy DPS and using that gear to cheat the dungeon finder reqs. If they are pulling decent DPS I could care less what gear they are wearing.
And yes kicking the person who commented on your PvP gear was juvenile.
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I call people out for PvP gear all the time, but only when they are pulling crappy DPS and using that gear to cheat the dungeon finder reqs. If they are pulling decent DPS I could care less what gear they are wearing.
And yes kicking the person who commented on your PvP gear was juvenile.
So do you call people out for PvP gear all the time or just when their DPS sucks? You should probably understand your own thoughts before relaying them onto the board for us to be confused by.
Calling Trig juvenile is like calling Mother Theresa a slut. The guy is the epitome of calm, cool and collected.
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I call people out for PvP gear all the time, but only when they are pulling crappy DPS and using that gear to cheat the dungeon finder reqs. If they are pulling decent DPS I could care less what gear they are wearing.
And yes kicking the person who commented on your PvP gear was juvenile.
So do you call people out for PvP gear all the time or just when their DPS sucks? You should probably understand your own thoughts before relaying them onto the board for us to be confused by.
Calling Trig juvenile is like calling Mother Theresa a slut. The guy is the epitome of calm, cool and collected.
I don't see how my post was unclear. I find myself calling out people for low DPS frequently and most of the time it is because they cheated the dungeon finder with PvP gear. If their DPS is fine then I wouldn't even know what gear they are wearing because I am not checking it. Perhaps I should draw you a picture since you appear to have trouble with the written word?
I wasn't calling him juvenile, I was saying his actions in the situation were. Obviously in this situation he got his panties in a bunch over someone commenting on his gear so he instigated a vote kick against that person. Now you may agree with his actions (which would be unsurprising) but that doesn't make the action any less juvenile.
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I'm not offended. I probably shouldn't have initiated the vote kick. I suppose the other group members shouldn't have voted for it either. What is done is done. Somedays I have a stressful day at work and I like to have a cathartic release on WoW mobs. I suppose it was bad timing for a poorly played mage to call me out.
These situations are like a big chess game to me. He made his move. I made mine.
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Checking DPS is the problem. DPS meters in-game were the worst addition to WoW ever, IMO. Did you kill the boss? Then who cares what the DPS was?
Also, turnabout is fair play. Someone berates you for bad gear, yet you out-DPS their class that should be well ahead of yours? More time DPSing and less time instigating. /votekick for trying to cause drama in a PuG.
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Boone-Eldar posted:
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I call people out for PvP gear all the time, but only when they are pulling crappy DPS and using that gear to cheat the dungeon finder reqs. If they are pulling decent DPS I could care less what gear they are wearing.
And yes kicking the person who commented on your PvP gear was juvenile.
So do you call people out for PvP gear all the time or just when their DPS sucks? You should probably understand your own thoughts before relaying them onto the board for us to be confused by.
Calling Trig juvenile is like calling Mother Theresa a slut. The guy is the epitome of calm, cool and collected.
I don't see how my post was unclear. I find myself calling out people for low DPS frequently and most of the time it is because they cheated the dungeon finder with PvP gear. If their DPS is fine then I wouldn't even know what gear they are wearing because I am not checking it. Perhaps I should draw you a picture since you appear to have trouble with the written word?
I wasn't calling him juvenile, I was saying his actions in the situation were. Obviously in this situation he got his panties in a bunch over someone commenting on his gear so he instigated a vote kick against that person. Now you may agree with his actions (which would be unsurprising) but that doesn't make the action any less juvenile.
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I can see myself reacting similarly. Maybe next time that mage will think twice before denigrating someone wearing PvP gear just because.
I don't see how initiating a vote kick on someone with a snide or smart-ass attitude is a juvenile reaction (and who is under performing to boot), but different strokes I suppose. I wouldn't want them in my group either.
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Checking DPS is the problem. DPS meters in-game were the worst addition to WoW ever, IMO. Did you kill the boss? Then who cares what the DPS was?
Also, turnabout is fair play. Someone berates you for bad gear, yet you out-DPS their class that should be well ahead of yours? More time DPSing and less time instigating. /votekick for trying to cause drama in a PuG.
Damage meters are a tool and ideally nothing more. You can tell who is damaging what, getting damaged by what, who is interrupting/dispelling or not, etc etc. IE they are a useful tool to analyze what went wrong on a failed boss attempt and sometimes that does include a person's DPS. If it is too low it can drag an encounter out too far for a healer to keep up with.
Unfortunately, there is a significant portion of the player base that use damage meters only as an epeen contest rather than the informational tool it was created for, never leaving the DPS tab to check out any of the other more useful data reported.
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I can see myself reacting similarly. Maybe next time that mage will think twice before denigrating someone wearing PvP gear just because.
I don't see how initiating a vote kick on someone with a snide or smart-ass attitude is a juvenile reaction (and who is under performing to boot), but different strokes I suppose. I wouldn't want them in my group either.
I guess I have a thicker skin than to let a comment on my gear bother me. I would have simply posted the DPS from the last fight (like the OP did) to warrant my spot in the pug and left it at that.
I wouldn't consider 14k under performing in a 5 man heroic, regardless of the DPS potential of the class.
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Hmm... you should bring that thicker skin you're noting to these boards with you.
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Hmm... you should bring that thicker skin you're noting to these boards with you.
Don't I?
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Hmm... you should bring that thicker skin you're noting to these boards with you.
Don't I?
Not even close.
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Hmm... you should bring that thicker skin you're noting to these boards with you.
Don't I?
Not even close.
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Remember, Boone. Some of the posters here will say/do just about anything to pick a fight.
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Remember, Boone. Some of the posters here will say/do just about anything to pick a fight.
When I say lol I really am laughing out loud. Arcilite's feeble, transparent attempts at baiting make me laugh.
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Baiting, observations. Such a fine line.
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Baiting, observations. Such a fine line.
Too bad that there is not a fine line between your perception and reality.
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Yeah, keep egging it on, Boone. When Arc decides to to snap on you, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
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Yeah, keep egging it on, Boone. When Arc decides to to snap on you, you will have no one to blame but yourself.
*shudder*
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Perception is reality btw
In one's own world yes.
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Arc I want your girl avatar back. She was less hairy than you.
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Perception is reality btw
In one's own world yes.
You've got a lot to learn.
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I didn't change my icon Trig, wtf are you talking about.
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Arcilite_I posted:
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Perception is reality btw
In one's own world yes.
You've got a lot to learn.
lol guess there is no right or wrong then, because both are a matter of perception correct?
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lol guess there is no right or wrong then, because both are a matter of perception correct?
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Arcilite_I posted:
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lol guess there is no right or wrong then, because both are a matter of perception correct?
Lots to learn
Not surprising.
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@Trig
why didn't you offer the mage the chance to tank? <straightface>
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Boone-Eldar posted:
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lol guess there is no right or wrong then, because both are a matter of perception correct?
Lots to learn
Not surprising.
Your dismissive response only enforces how much you have to learn.
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Your dismissive response only enforces how much you have to learn.
And what does your evasion of the question presented have to say?
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Boone-Eldar posted:
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Your dismissive response only enforces how much you have to learn.
And what does your evasion of the question presented have to say?
Hardly an evasion, a mere over sight. Right and wrong are perceptions. Nay, ideas, created by man.
They hold no tangible ground in my life.
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Arcilite_I posted:
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Your dismissive response only enforces how much you have to learn.
And what does your evasion of the question presented have to say?
Hardly an evasion, a mere over sight. Right and wrong are perceptions. Nay, ideas, created by man.
They hold no tangible ground in my life.
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Arcilite_I posted:
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Arcilite_I posted:
Your dismissive response only enforces how much you have to learn.
And what does your evasion of the question presented have to say?
Hardly an evasion, a mere over sight. Right and wrong are perceptions. Nay, ideas, created by man.
They hold no tangible ground in my life.
Interesting.
The ideas of right and wrong seem to exist for you on this message board. You continually have shown to believe yourself and your views to be right and anyone with a different opinion or "perception" than you to be wrong. You have posted the word wrong many times over on these very boards.
Your "beliefs" appear to be just words, rather than something you actually believe and live by.
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Find all the posts where I said somebody was wrong and/or I was right.
I'll wait.
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Find all the posts where I said somebody was wrong and/or I was right.
I'll wait.
Sure thing.
http://vnboards.ign.com/world_of_warcraft_general_board/b19789/114897166/p12
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WoW is a piece of trash now. The only reason it maintains the sub base it does is because WoW was those sub's first MMO and they simply don't know any better.
If you've convinced yourself of anything to the contrary you have the perception of a gnat.
Now before you try and tap dance around, you clearly are stating that your perception(IE opinion) is right and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong.
If you truly believed there was no right or wrong and everyone's perception is reality would there any point in arguing a position?
My perception is that you a total e-douchebag compensating for some sort of RL inferiority complex. Am I wrong?
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Here comes Arc's rebuttal of "That's not what I meant. That's just what you thought I meant."
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Arc, Boone, can you two like, shut up? I was enjoying a nice thread of "would have done, should have done's" before you two started peeing at each other. Your contest is making this thread rather messy. Don't make me get out the pull ups!
Trig  Maybe you shouldn't have booted him, but hey, you hope he's learned something from the experience. And if he didn't, well he needs to be booted more.
Fankly, I don't care where the gear comes from as long as someone is doing their job. I get tired of people whining about gear. I had another pally chew me out on a raid when he had full epics and I was fail for only having four or five. I outlived him, out tanked him, out healed him and out dps'd him. Why? I knew what the hell I was doing and didn't think that having an "OS" set of tank gear made me a tank.
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Grats for being 1 out of 100 people in pvp gear in heroics that can actually play your class.
The problem is, the other 99/100 both can't play their class and have crap gear that's usually not enchanted or gemmed, and do dps so low that you wonder how they manage to breathe air without choking to death.
Which is probably why you got the comment.
I/we (people I run with) usually groan when we see the pvp geared in heroics, but one in a blue moon they can play. The opposite is way, way more common.
You also get people who pad their gear score by carrying high level boe epics in their packs in hopes of getting drops before anyone notices their wotlk dps.
Go bliz, go, way to put gear score requirements on instances that can be easily cheesed.
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Pally don't make me login and smash you outside Stormwind, I'll do it.
Boone, how could you be wrong if right and wrong don't exist.
Silly person.
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If everyone reacted like Trig did, the game would be so much better.
Even that idiot mage, and people like him, would eventually learn that being a rude ahole with no social skills is detrimental to their progression and maybe they should act like a somewhat normal person.
Way to go Trig.
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Arcilite_I posted:
Pally don't make me login and smash you outside Stormwind, I'll do it.
Boone, how could you be wrong if right and wrong don't exist.
Silly person.
But you clearly believe there is right or wrong.
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You're trying too hard to make things black and white for the sake of arguing with me.
Do I really affect you that bad Boone.
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Here comes Arc's rebuttal of "That's not what I meant. That's just what you thought I meant."
It's a valid rebuttal when it's true. You yourself are often guilty of putting words in somebody's mouth for the sake of 'debate'.
BTW, why do you still post here again?
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WoW VN Boards -Not the type of community I want to be a part of. Good luck everyone.
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Arcilite_I posted:
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Here comes Arc's rebuttal of "That's not what I meant. That's just what you thought I meant."
It's a valid rebuttal when it's true. You yourself are often guilty of putting words in somebody's mouth for the sake of 'debate'.
BTW, why do you still post here again?
Because I feel like it.
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That's a fair enough reason.
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Plus, it's always amusing to see someone drag that out when they want to change the subject. 
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You're trying too hard to make things black and white for the sake of arguing with me.
Do I really affect you that bad Boone.
And again begs the question. If there is no right or wrong, why argue a position one way or the other? Everyone's perception is reality according to you, so why would you argue against their reality?
Your activity on these boards is incongruous with your alleged beliefs.
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Belief in itself is a farce. Not even sure why I bother responding to you anymore to be honest lol
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Plus, it's always amusing to see someone drag that out when they want to change the subject.
Expanding the subject, not changing. I mean, you're obviously unhappy with the environment here. So you're either a masochist or just not all that sharp?
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Plus, it's always amusing to see someone drag that out when they want to change the subject.
Expanding the subject, not changing. I mean, you're obviously unhappy with the environment here. So you're either a masochist or just not all that sharp?
If that's what you choose to *perceive*, that's on you, not me.
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k, we'll just go with 'not that sharp'
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Belief in itself is a farce. Not even sure why I bother responding to you anymore to be honest lol
Me either, I am not fond of a lot people here, but this guy must have enormous forearms from pulling the panties out of his ass. Maybe not responding to him will make him go away?
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It's pure entertainment goodness here.
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Belief in itself is a farce. Not even sure why I bother responding to you anymore to be honest lol
I don't either, but it is certainly entertaining watching you continue to contradict yourself.
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