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Just stop healing and play DPS. Perhaps it will get through that healing is stupid, boring, broken and not fun. I would be wonderful if queue times shot to 3 hours cuz no one is playing a healer.

 

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Very good tip actually.

The only way to change the stupidity at blizzard is to hit them in their wallet. If no one queues as healer or tank then DPS get pissed and cancel their subs as well.


Apparently, according to blizzard, about 600,000 have already done so grin

 

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Good advice. In our 10-man one has already canceled his account and the other two of us will be soon enough along with our main tank.

 

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Bad tip is bad! Terrible advice! Booo!



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All the healers we have in my guild (raiding ofc.. all 10 of them) are very good at healing and never seem to complain about it.

And actually, most people I know who play healers full time or as alts seem to have gotten the hang of how to heal in cataclysm.

You guys must be terribad players, imo.

 

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I never said I was bad at it, I just think it's horrible and completely not fun. I can't help that the healers in your guild are masochists.

 

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Well, I wasn't speaking directly to you, but fair enough.

Most of the time when someone leads off with this...


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Perhaps it will get through that healing is stupid, boring, broken and not fun.


It reminds of a kid trying to ride a bike. When they can't do it, they throw the bike to the ground in disgust and say, 'This is stupid, boring, broken and not fun.'.

 

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Aw, did I hurt your wittle feelings and you have to call me names now? Personally, I could give a rats ass about your assessment, since you are obviously a fanboi whose defense is "you are just terribad".

I am sure your anecdotal evidence of all the people who are wonderful and enjoying the amazing healing will make everything happy happy and the myriad people who say healing is crap are just bad players.

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Your analogy would make a lot more sense if the designers of the bike replaced the wheels with square tires.

 

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Aw, did I hurt your wittle feelings and you have to call me names now? Personally, I could give a rats ass about your assessment, since you are obviously a fanboi whose defense is "you are just terribad".

I am sure your anecdotal evidence of all the people who are wonderful and enjoying the amazing healing will make everything happy happy and the myriad people who say healing is crap are just bad players.

rolling_eyes


You can give a rats ass about my assessment, and I could give a rats ass about yours. My anecdotal evidence was presented at face value. Your evidence is also anecdotal. For the 'myriad' of people who say healing is crap, there's also a 'myriad' of people who think healing is good how it is now.

Stop acting like a whiney little baby and either have a conversation about this or don't.

 

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I didn't really feel like conversing with you in the 1st place, but you had to get all butt hurt and start the name calling. I have no desire to listen to your blatant bleating, you are a fanboi sheep and that will preclude any relevant conversation. Since you cannot fathom the travesty that is the current dev team, why should I even bother? If you want to ignore all the people saying healing sucks and just add a label to them, why should I even bother to converse with you? You do represent what is wrong with the board though, when a moderator starts in with the personal attacks. Good job on that.

Make sure you point this post out to Mithan when he wonders why this board sucks so badly.

 

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I didn't really feel like conversing with you in the 1st place


Why are you here then, if not to converse with the denizens of this board? Or are you just here to call everyone who disagrees with your limited point of view a sheep?

 

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Well, I wasn't speaking directly to you, but fair enough.

Most of the time when someone leads off with this...


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Perhaps it will get through that healing is stupid, boring, broken and not fun.


It reminds of a kid trying to ride a bike. When they can't do it, they throw the bike to the ground in disgust and say, 'This is stupid, boring, broken and not fun.'.



Dums that's not a very good analogy. A better analogy might be if they changed the flavor if your favorite cereal, do you keep eating because they tell you to, even if you don't like it the new way?

I don't agree with the 'how' of Peo's post but underneath that the point seems valid.

 

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Ya, but on top of changing the flavor they didn't tell you to start eating your cereal with a fork, too. You still have the spoon.

 

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Which changes the fact that the "new" cereal sucks in what way?


From which one can only conclude that people use their "spoon" to eat a different cereal, compounded by the fact that the original cereal manufacturer responds to this disdain for the new product with remarks like, "If you don't like it, you are eating it wrong!!".





 

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Bad tip is bad! Terrible advice! Booo!



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Which changes the fact that the "new" cereal sucks in what way?


From which one can only conclude that people use their "spoon" to eat a different cereal, compounded by the fact that the original cereal manufacturer responds to this disdain for the new product with remarks like, "If you don't like it, you are eating it wrong!!".








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And look, I don't play a healer so I don't know. All I have to go off of is word of mouth. The people I hang around with in game never really say anything bad about healing in it's current state, though they didn't like it when Cataclysm first came out.

 

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Dums posted:
-Peo- posted:
I didn't really feel like conversing with you in the 1st place


Why are you here then, if not to converse with the denizens of this board? Or are you just here to call everyone who disagrees with your limited point of view a sheep?


You mean like anyone who doesn't like the new healing, which you have no clue about by your own admission, is a bad player? You are quite the hypocrit.

And with your latest bad analogy, you don't still have the same spoon, you have a tiny spoon that weighs 4 times what it used to. Carrying it farther, healing is now like using a milliliter sized spoon that weighs 4 tons, instead of using a teaspoon. I would gladly converse with people who didn't automatically start in with the insults and who could give a qualified opinion, instead of bad analogies, hearsay and no real experience with what they are talking about.

Or in other words, I don't really like talking to blowhards who parrot "other" people and have no idea what they are talking about and instead revert to calling people names. I mean, I can respond in like, but it really doesn't qualify as conversation.

And please, spare me the comments about limited point of view, you have no idea what you are talking about, you even admit you don't but MY point of view is limited?

 

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The difference being that I've admitted to not knowing firsthand. Never did I say 'I know firsthand!', and I've stated I only know what I see. If you play a healer, Peo, that makes you like 1% more qualified than I am to say what I've said, because one healer's point of view does not equal the majority. People like you, and your point of views, are heard more because you're LOUDER.

Keep it civil if you're going to argue.

 

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Dums posted:
GutterSludge posted:
Which changes the fact that the "new" cereal sucks in what way?


From which one can only conclude that people use their "spoon" to eat a different cereal, compounded by the fact that the original cereal manufacturer responds to this disdain for the new product with remarks like, "If you don't like it, you are eating it wrong!!".








labored metaphor is labored tongue


"Perfect" is not spelled "labored"....

But yes, it is perfect.

 

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"Perfect" is not spelled "labored"....

But yes, it is perfect.




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All the healers we have in my guild (raiding ofc.. all 10 of them) are very good at healing and never seem to complain about it.

And actually, most people I know who play healers full time or as alts seem to have gotten the hang of how to heal in cataclysm.

You guys must be terribad players, imo.


There's a major difference between getting used to something and enjoying it. While I've gotten used to healing in Cataclysm (on multiple toons), I still don't really enjoy it like I have in the past. After having healed since Vanilla on every healing class in the game I think that the current healing model is the least fun iteration of healing yet.

Also, saying that people must be "terribad players" because they aren't having fun with the new model is just ridiculous. That claim is especially outrageous in light of the fact that you haven't even played a healer yourself. Essentially you're saying that if you play a healer correctly then you will have fun therefore if you're not having fun you're obviously playing incorrectly.

 

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If people actually liked healing, would blizzard have to bribe them with goody bags just to get them to queue? o.0

 

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The difference being that I've admitted to not knowing firsthand. Never did I say 'I know firsthand!', and I've stated I only know what I see. If you play a healer, Peo, that makes you like 1% more qualified than I am to say what I've said, because one healer's point of view does not equal the majority. People like you, and your point of views, are heard more because you're LOUDER.

Keep it civil if you're going to argue.



No, it makes me 100% more qualified, becuz I know what I am talking about and you don't. You don't play a healer.

And wtf are you smoking, don't tell me to keep it civil, I didn't start the name calling, you did. I can't believe you come here start calling people names and then have the balls to tell other people to keep it civil. Talk about ego.

How about this, you keep it civil, and while you are at it, get a clue as to what you are talking about or gtfo. People like you, and your point of view, are not heard more because you are irrelevant and don't know what you are talking about.

 

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The difference being that I've admitted to not knowing firsthand. Never did I say 'I know firsthand!', and I've stated I only know what I see. If you play a healer, Peo, that makes you like 1% more qualified than I am to say what I've said, because one healer's point of view does not equal the majority. People like you, and your point of views, are heard more because you're LOUDER.

Keep it civil if you're going to argue.



No, it makes me 100% more qualified, becuz I know what I am talking about and you don't. You don't play a healer.

And wtf are you smoking, don't tell me to keep it civil, I didn't start the name calling, you did. I can't believe you come here start calling people names and then have the balls to tell other people to keep it civil. Talk about ego.

How about this, you keep it civil, and while you are at it, get a clue as to what you are talking about or gtfo. People like you, and your point of view, are not heard more because you are irrelevant and don't know what you are talking about.


Ya, well, the 15 healers I know who say they don't have a problem with healing as it is now > the one healer (you) who's acting like your world is ending.

Chill out.

 

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Take a look at the thread, take a look around this place. It isn't just me. As far as your 15, I can raise you 20, 30, 50, a billion. It is still hearsay.

Or I could look at the posts that I can see and draw a conclusion that has a basis in my own experience.

 

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I play three healers, Holy Priest (main), Shaman who heals our 2nd 10man group and Pali I have as a reserve and does 5 man heroics etc and I really like the healing changes - you actually have to think about what you are doing now instead of just spamming flash heal or chain heal or whatever. You have to be adaptable and ready to use ALL your tools. Starting up as a healer is hard but as you get geared and hit the haste / spirit levels that are needed things do start to get easier but its still a challenge and you need to be on the ball at all times.

 

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Spookysheep posted:
If people actually liked healing, would blizzard have to bribe them with goody bags just to get them to queue? o.0


so by your logic tanking is even more broken? Because tanks get the bribe bag far more than healers do.

 

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Peo, from reading this thread and the other one you sound like a very angry person. Maybe you need to step away from the PC, leave WoW and get some fresh air or something for your own good.

 

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Peo, from reading this thread and the other one you sound like a very angry person. Maybe you need to step away from the PC, leave WoW and get some fresh air or something for your own good.



Maybe you and the other company buglers should stop belittling other posters who have an opposing viewpoint to yours?

 

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Peo, from reading this thread and the other one you sound like a very angry person. Maybe you need to step away from the PC, leave WoW and get some fresh air or something for your own good.



Maybe you and the other company buglers should stop belittling other posters who have an opposing viewpoint to yours?


pot, kettle, black?

 

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Peo, from reading this thread and the other one you sound like a very angry person. Maybe you need to step away from the PC, leave WoW and get some fresh air or something for your own good.



Maybe you and the other company buglers should stop belittling other posters who have an opposing viewpoint to yours?


pot, kettle, black?




I didn't belittle you or other posters opinions besides to say that they mirror company propoganda. So what do you mean?

 

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[quote=Morlach]Peo, from reading this thread and the other one you sound like a very angry person. Maybe you need to step away from the PC, leave WoW and get some fresh air or something for your own good.



Maybe you and the other company buglers should stop belittling other posters who have an opposing viewpoint to yours?


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I didn't belittle you or other posters opinions besides to say that they mirror company propoganda. So what do you mean?[/quote]

so besides than belittling me you werent belittling me? you where trying to negate our views by saying that, implying that because you feel we are just "fan bois" (which is what you really are saying) our views don't count. You would'nt have added that otherwise.

Also I wasnt belittling his post, he is entitled to his opinion, lots of other people feel his way too so there is indeed merit to his post. But the way he posted, the anger and angst is over flowing and not healthy.

 

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Did you really just say, "not healthy"???

Forgive me if I LMFAO at you for that....

 

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so besides than belittling me you werent belittling me? you where trying to negate our views by saying that, implying that because you feel we are just "fan bois" (which is what you really are saying) our views don't count. You would'nt have added that otherwise.

Also I wasnt belittling his post, he is entitled to his opinion, lots of other people feel his way too so there is indeed merit to his post. But the way he posted, the anger and angst is over flowing and not healthy.



You, I think, are the one that needs to relax. All I was saying is, some posters here are just repeating the Blizzard propoganda and belittling or personally attacking the posters that disagree which is not very civil.

So, I am not calling you names like "Fanboi" or the like. I am simply saying that you are repeating, verbatim almost, Blizzard's stated "fix" which is that "if anyone has a problem with the new healing model, learn to play." I hope that makes more sense.

 

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Morlach posted:
I play three healers, Holy Priest (main), Shaman who heals our 2nd 10man group and Pali I have as a reserve and does 5 man heroics etc and I really like the healing changes - you actually have to think about what you are doing now instead of just spamming flash heal or chain heal or whatever. You have to be adaptable and ready to use ALL your tools. Starting up as a healer is hard but as you get geared and hit the haste / spirit levels that are needed things do start to get easier but its still a challenge and you need to be on the ball at all times.


I'm glad you like the changes, that's good.

But big picture, these changes weren't asked for.

Fewer people like the healing now than liked it before.

In the MMORPG world, well I guess most businesses, what Blizzard did was really stupid.

Players could always make things more challenging before if they wanted to have less mana, take off gear.

 

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Everybody keeps struggling for an analogy of what WOW is now versus what it use to be for a lot of us.

Best thing I can think of is WOW-Cataclysm is like New Coke.

Coke decided to change thier formula that has been successful forever because Coke drinkers everywhere wanted something new, right?

People almost freaking rioted till Coke finally admitted it messed up, and brought it back; first as Coke Classic, then it was just Coke again.

Whew, I knew that 30 grand I blew on a business degree would come in handy once!

 

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Hey Blizzard Shill, spare me your forum board psychoanalysis. Go back to smashing your square peg into a round hole healing methods.

 

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All the healers I know, myself included, which is well over 50 from my guild and others, absolutely hate healing now.


 

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Ya, but on top of changing the flavor they didn't tell you to start eating your cereal with a fork, too. You still have the spoon.


whom eats ceareal with a fork?

the name fits.

 

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Ya, but on top of changing the flavor they didn't tell you to start eating your cereal with a fork, too. You still have the spoon.


whom eats ceareal with a fork?

the name fits.


Reading the entire thread may help you with this. Novel idea, I know.

 

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Dums posted:
PlieBrac posted:
Dums posted:
Ya, but on top of changing the flavor they didn't tell you to start eating your cereal with a fork, too. You still have the spoon.

whom eats ceareal with a fork?
the name fits.

Reading the entire thread may help you with this. Novel idea, I know.


i read it all.
i used to heal in wow.
since closed beta.
deep into the cataclysm....
yes i can still do it, prob as well or better than most.
but it is STILL now a pita.
not as much because the healing mechanics are so difficult, but the "other" players, that don't heal, never healed, or have much idea what it entails now, are what makes it such a pita now.
name still fits.
i suspect you may even be one of them.

jeez korrgan much....lol@anger....

 

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Hi guys

Just wanted to make a post

To say hi

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Separate all my statements

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Have a good day!

Also, lol @ 'not healthy'. Anger can better any medicine under the sun.

 

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The healing changes are 1 of the 2 big reasons I quit WoW.  (the other being my account getting hacked less than 48 hours after having my authenticator removed since my phone died...)Healing is just terrible now.  It is not fun, it is frustrating and just painful.  This is coming from someone who loved to heal.

 

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The healing changes are 1 of the 2 big reasons I quit WoW.  (the other being my account getting hacked less than 48 hours after having my authenticator removed since my phone died...)Healing is just terrible now.  It is not fun, it is frustrating and just painful.  This is coming from someone who loved to heal.


Well put. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you (and the vast majority of long-time MMORPG healers) *can* do it. That's not the question to me, and that's great that many people "have gotten used to it".

I was fun, they made it not fun. So many people go do something that is more fun. Other role(s) or other game(s).

Was a HUGE change imo.

 

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Hi guys

Just wanted to make a post

To say hi

I figured I would

Separate all my statements

So they seem more important

Have a good day!

Also, lol @ 'not healthy'. Anger can better any medicine under the sun.


lol

kyrv posted:
Nakal posted:
The healing changes are 1 of the 2 big reasons I quit WoW.  (the other being my account getting hacked less than 48 hours after having my authenticator removed since my phone died...)Healing is just terrible now.  It is not fun, it is frustrating and just painful.  This is coming from someone who loved to heal.


Well put. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you (and the vast majority of long-time MMORPG healers) *can* do it. That's not the question to me, and that's great that many people "have gotten used to it".

I was fun, they made it not fun. So many people go do something that is more fun. Other role(s) or other game(s).

Was a HUGE change imo.


Okay, so the issue isn't whether you all are able to do it, it's that the current way it's implemented just isn't fun?

Did they change the core mechanics of it that much?

 

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Okay, so the issue isn't whether you all are able to do it, it's that the current way it's implemented just isn't fun?

Did they change the core mechanics of it that much?



Dums,

don't you think you should have asked this type of question(s) before stating, "You guys must be terribad players, imo."...????



Just saying..

 

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All the healers I know, myself included, which is well over 50 from my guild and others, absolutely hate healing now.





I stopped playing due to the changes. The changes don't hurt me, it just hurts other people who want to do dungeons in a timely manner.

 

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The core mechanics of healing were gutted and rebuilt.When my heals do maybe 10-20% more than they did in WOTLK, but cost 4 to 5 times as much to cast, on a tank with at least triple the (non 30% ICC buff) HP at minimum, it is just a joke now, and not the easy joke, but the, it takes 3/4th or more of my mana bar to heal a tank to full from near 0 and fewer AOE heals but the DPS is taking more AOE damage despite not standing in the fire..

 

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Dums posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
Hi guys

Just wanted to make a post

To say hi

I figured I would

Separate all my statements

So they seem more important

Have a good day!

Also, lol @ 'not healthy'. Anger can better any medicine under the sun.


lol

ya..lol

kyrv posted:
Nakal posted:
The healing changes are 1 of the 2 big reasons I quit WoW.  (the other being my account getting hacked less than 48 hours after having my authenticator removed since my phone died...)Healing is just terrible now.  It is not fun, it is frustrating and just painful.  This is coming from someone who loved to heal.


Well put. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you (and the vast majority of long-time MMORPG healers) *can* do it. That's not the question to me, and that's great that many people "have gotten used to it".

I was fun, they made it not fun. So many people go do something that is more fun. Other role(s) or other game(s).

Was a HUGE change imo.


Okay, so the issue isn't whether you all are able to do it, it's that the current way it's implemented just isn't fun?

Did they change the core mechanics of it that much?


and yes..they did.

 

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Dums posted:

Okay, so the issue isn't whether you all are able to do it, it's that the current way it's implemented just isn't fun?

Did they change the core mechanics of it that much?



Dums,

don't you think you should have asked this type of question(s) before stating, "You guys must be terribad players, imo."...????



Just saying..


well put.
epiphany,,even delayed epiphany..is better than no epiphany.

 

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Dums posted:

Okay, so the issue isn't whether you all are able to do it, it's that the current way it's implemented just isn't fun?

Did they change the core mechanics of it that much?



Dums,

don't you think you should have asked this type of question(s) before stating, "You guys must be terribad players, imo."...????



Just saying..


Probably.

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Ya, well, the 15 healers I know who say they don't have a problem with healing as it is now > the one healer (you) who's acting like your world is ending.

Chill out.


Oooh... Can I trump this with some imaginary numbers too?

Seems some of the people I have seen slide into "its okay" merely got enough gear to ignore most of Blizzards attempts to implement fun

 

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All the healers I know, myself included, which is well over 50 from my guild and others, absolutely hate healing now.



When I decided on my WOW vacation it was after seeing a guild for forty or so online during prime have to struggle to get to twenty plus. This mainly was the implosion caused by all but three healers up and quitting between release and February. One of those healers swapped to dps and only healed (our guild leader) when she could cherry pick the group. I swapped to dps. When I started my wow vacation they had picked up two new healers from guilds that had imploded.

 

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Ya, well, the 15 healers I know who say they don't have a problem with healing as it is now > the one healer (you) who's acting like your world is ending.

Chill out.


Oooh... Can I trump this with some imaginary numbers too?

Seems some of the people I have seen slide into "its okay" merely got enough gear to ignore most of Blizzards attempts to implement fun


Yoda: A solid point, this is.

It speaks to the constant tail-chasing the B-team has had since 4.0 with "stacking" issues/changes having unintended consequences.

 

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