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Blizzard announced the Cenarion Hatchling pet that 100% of the proceeds would go to the Japan Red Cross relief fund. At least, until July 31st 2011. This would seem to indicate that any funds raised by Blizzard in regards to this pet after that point would be pure profit for Blizzard (after miniscule development costs for deploying the pet anyway).
Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong? I mean, I certainly appreciate Blizzard's attempt to raise money for Red Cross for Japan, but I can't help but see that Blizzard is going to make money off of this. At what point is it wrong that a corporation makes a profit in regards to this situation?
Until recently I've been pretty sure that anything they make after that would be blood money. Pretty black and white. Now I can't help but look at it in a different way. Maybe there is a grey area in that any money raised from this point on wouldn't have been raised anyway. People that spend the $10 on the pet wouldn't have donated the $10 to the Red Cross instead. As angry as that idea might make me, I can't dispute the fact that it is true. They get something, be it real or virtual, and get to feel good about it too instead of just the good feelings.
God I'm confused. I lost someone dear to me in the earthquake, so any time someone, especially a corporation, might make even a dime ruffles my feathers.
Right now I'm really not sure if I want to vehemently hate or offer mediocre praise to Blizzard.
The bad thing is I made a post about this to Blizzard's forums before posting here. Yes, the fanbois jumped all over me. I shouldn't have expected any different. I hate to say it though, they may have made me rethink my position on corporate sponsored charity.
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I think that Blizzard donates plenty. It is customary to make money at some point. Usually corporations say something like, "Partial proceeds will be donated to help...." And you find out that 5-10% is donated per item. Blizzard took a better stance imo and let all proceeds go to the Red Cross until a certain date. That is legit.
You can't have a pet forever going to charity because at some point the charity is not needed. You need a cut-off. The other option would have been to remove the pet completely at that date... but people in game would feel slighted if only people who played during that donation time could get the pet.
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Taloquin posted:
Blizzard announced the Cenarion Hatchling pet that 100% of the proceeds would go to the Japan Red Cross relief fund. At least, until July 31st 2011. This would seem to indicate that any funds raised by Blizzard in regards to this pet after that point would be pure profit for Blizzard (after miniscule development costs for deploying the pet anyway).
Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong? I mean, I certainly appreciate Blizzard's attempt to raise money for Red Cross for Japan, but I can't help but see that Blizzard is going to make money off of this. At what point is it wrong that a corporation makes a profit in regards to this situation?
Until recently I've been pretty sure that anything they make after that would be blood money. Pretty black and white. Now I can't help but look at it in a different way. Maybe there is a grey area in that any money raised from this point on wouldn't have been raised anyway. People that spend the $10 on the pet wouldn't have donated the $10 to the Red Cross instead. As angry as that idea might make me, I can't dispute the fact that it is true. They get something, be it real or virtual, and get to feel good about it too instead of just the good feelings.
God I'm confused. I lost someone dear to me in the earthquake, so any time someone, especially a corporation, might make even a dime ruffles my feathers.
Right now I'm really not sure if I want to vehemently hate or offer mediocre praise to Blizzard.
The bad thing is I made a post about this to Blizzard's forums before posting here. Yes, the fanbois jumped all over me. I shouldn't have expected any different. I hate to say it though, they may have made me rethink my position on corporate sponsored charity.
Quit being so dramatic.. they will donate a boat load of money and make themselves some at the same time.. and you tool boxes will get your pet.. its a win-win-win!!
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Something is better than nothing. I like the vanity pets, little ct still cracks me up when he freezes a rodent and laughs evilly.
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The people really wanting that pet, aka the collectors, will obviously get it as soon as possible. All the money goes to the red cross.
The additionally, people like me, who find the pet "not so awesome / ugly", but who see it as a good opportunity to help the people from Japan, will buy it too.
The income from that pet after July 31st, >>> 3 MONTHS <<< from now, will be negligible compared to the income the red cross made from it. It's also possible they will simply remove the pet from the shop comes July 31...
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Why would Blizz just give money away when they can take it from their customers and get the same publicity?
Thought you guys knew how this worked by now.
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In this one, I'm with Blizzard. They donate a lot, I don't think it's greedy to make a little off of it... three months later, after which most people will have already bought it who were going to, anyway.
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Why would Blizz just give money away when they can take it from their customers and get the same publicity?
Thought you guys knew how this worked by now.
Now wait a cotton pickin' minute! You mean to tell me that Blizzard is in this for PROFIT?? I thought they all of this was for my benefit. 
I know it's in to hate on Blizz on this forum, but seriously you are reaching by implying some sort of duplicity from a for-profit gaming company making a profit from it's customers... they have no reason to donate to charity other than the fact that they want to. People have been buying vanity pets for a long time with no incentive.
*edit* I thought they all of this was for my benefit. Wow, I need some coffee or a proofreader. Possibly both.
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At least this time its 100% of the proceeds. This could get people to donate who otherwise would not, so red cross will still take in more in the long run which will help even more.
I certainly don't get any warm fuzzy feeling for blizzard over this, but it is just one more avenue to get donations to the red cross, who really do desperately need as much as people can donate. Between tsunamis, tornadoes, and other disasters, the red cross is getting spread really thin right now.
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Somebody pull some crazy numbers out of your ass and speculate how much this could bring into the red cross...its gotta be a boat load of $$
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They did the same thing with the previous charity pet, where was your outrage then?
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[quote=Taloquin]Blizzard announced the Cenarion Hatchling pet that 100% of the proceeds would go to the Japan Red Cross relief fund. At least, until July 31st 2011. This would seem to indicate that any funds raised by Blizzard in regards to this pet after that point would be pure profit for Blizzard (after miniscule development costs for deploying the pet anyway).
Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong? I mean, I certainly appreciate Blizzard's attempt to raise money for Red Cross for Japan, but I can't help but see that Blizzard is going to make money off of this. At what point is it wrong that a corporation makes a profit in regards to this situation?
Until recently I've been pretty sure that anything they make after that would be blood money. Pretty black and white. Now I can't help but look at it in a different way. Maybe there is a grey area in that any money raised from this point on wouldn't have been raised anyway. People that spend the $10 on the pet wouldn't have donated the $10 to the Red Cross instead. As angry as that idea might make me, I can't dispute the fact that it is true. They get something, be it real or virtual, and get to feel good about it too instead of just the good feelings.
God I'm confused. I lost someone dear to me in the earthquake, so any time someone, especially a corporation, might make even a dime ruffles my feathers.
Right now I'm really not sure if I want to vehemently hate or offer mediocre praise to Blizzard.
The bad thing is I made a post about this to Blizzard's forums before posting here. Yes, the fanbois jumped all over me. I shouldn't have expected any different. I hate to say it though, they may have made me rethink my position on corporate sponsored charity.[/quote]
YOU CANT BE THAT NAIVE!!! There is no such thing as coporate charity....
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Taloquin posted:
Blizzard announced the Cenarion Hatchling pet that 100% of the proceeds would go to the Japan Red Cross relief fund. At least, until July 31st 2011. This would seem to indicate that any funds raised by Blizzard in regards to this pet after that point would be pure profit for Blizzard (after miniscule development costs for deploying the pet anyway).
Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong? I mean, I certainly appreciate Blizzard's attempt to raise money for Red Cross for Japan, but I can't help but see that Blizzard is going to make money off of this. At what point is it wrong that a corporation makes a profit in regards to this situation?
Until recently I've been pretty sure that anything they make after that would be blood money. Pretty black and white. Now I can't help but look at it in a different way. Maybe there is a grey area in that any money raised from this point on wouldn't have been raised anyway. People that spend the $10 on the pet wouldn't have donated the $10 to the Red Cross instead. As angry as that idea might make me, I can't dispute the fact that it is true. They get something, be it real or virtual, and get to feel good about it too instead of just the good feelings.
God I'm confused. I lost someone dear to me in the earthquake, so any time someone, especially a corporation, might make even a dime ruffles my feathers.
Right now I'm really not sure if I want to vehemently hate or offer mediocre praise to Blizzard.
The bad thing is I made a post about this to Blizzard's forums before posting here. Yes, the fanbois jumped all over me. I shouldn't have expected any different. I hate to say it though, they may have made me rethink my position on corporate sponsored charity.
Were they fanbois, or, you know, just regular people that think that selling something and giving 100% of the proceeds to Japan is a good thing?
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So would you feel comfortable if they stopped offering the pet for purchase after the charitable period? I suppose that's a fair request. If their heart is completely in the right place it shouldn't be a problem. You should write them and voice your concerns.
As others have pointed out, Blizzard is a business - but being for-profit doesn't mean its always a zero sum game. A company could choose to eat the development and infrastructure costs, for the life of the product, if they wanted to.
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1) Red Cross is bullcrap, something like 12 cents to every dollar is used to help people. To me that is unacceptable.
2) The only reason they are doing this is for the tax write off.
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1) Red Cross is bullcrap, something like 12 cents to every dollar is used to help people. To me that is unacceptable.
2) The only reason they are doing this is for the tax write off.
1.) http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277
Try around 90%, as opposed to that 12% you pulled out of your ass.
2.) Tax write off, publicity AND most of that money will go to help some folks over in japan or others in need. Win for all, as someone previously posted.
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1) Red Cross is bullcrap, something like 12 cents to every dollar is used to help people. To me that is unacceptable.
2) The only reason they are doing this is for the tax write off.
This isn't a politically charged question at all, just an honest question because I am curious: do you watch Fox News, and/or listen to AM radio?
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Well that is pretty awesome. In fact I did not pull that number out of my ass, I took the information word of mouth from other people. Glad to see they were wrong.
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Blisteringballs posted:
This isn't a politically charged question at all, just an honest question because I am curious: do you watch Fox News, and/or listen to AM radio?
First of all, don't sugar coat it, that is most certainly a politically charged question. Second, my news media of choice is ABC.
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Quazimortal posted:
Blisteringballs posted:
This isn't a politically charged question at all, just an honest question because I am curious: do you watch Fox News, and/or listen to AM radio?
First of all, don't sugar coat it, that is most certainly a politically charged question. Second, my news media of choice is ABC.
No, it's just a question. Thanks for responding, but to be more specific, do you watch Fox News and/or listen to AM radio while preferring ABC?
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Blisteringballs posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Blisteringballs posted:
This isn't a politically charged question at all, just an honest question because I am curious: do you watch Fox News, and/or listen to AM radio?
First of all, don't sugar coat it, that is most certainly a politically charged question. Second, my news media of choice is ABC.
No, it's just a question. Thanks for responding, but to be more specific, do you watch Fox News and/or listen to AM radio while preferring ABC?
I don't listen to the radio at all and from time to time I'll stop on Fox News and watch a little bit. I'm not a fan of them at all though. While I don't agree with all liberal ideas they tend to have a more truthful side of things than conservative ideas when it comes to news networks.
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They did the same thing with the previous charity pet, where was your outrage then?
The last charity pet was only 50% of proceeds, but the pet was WAY cooler 
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I love it. A company that isn't obligated to do anything at all to help anyone at all elects to set things in place to ensure that a reputable charity (they aren't my favorite, but their books/audits are on the level) gets a significant amount of assistance, and we get a hysterical post here talking about "blood money" and whether or not Blizzard should be "hated"?
Meanwhile, countless other companies are sucking up profits and doing exactly nothing that could be remotely regarded as charitable. But you'd rather bitch at Blizzard.
Give me a freaking break.
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In fact I pretty much did pull that number out of my ass to serve my agenda, I took the information word of mouth from other people and treated it as gospel without any sort of fact verification because I am a sheep. But you all already knew I was based on my previous post history so this should not come as a surprise.
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Quazimortal posted:
In fact I pretty much did pull that number out of my ass to serve my agenda, I took the information word of mouth from other people and treated it as gospel without any sort of fact verification because I am a sheep. But you all already knew I was based on my previous post history so this should not come as a surprise.
Fixed.
Hypocrite.
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Arcilite_I posted:
Boone-Eldar posted:
Quazimortal posted:
In fact I pretty much did pull that number out of my ass to serve my agenda, I took the information word of mouth from other people and treated it as gospel without any sort of fact verification because I am a sheep. But you all already knew I was based on my previous post history so this should not come as a surprise.
Fixed.
Hypocrite.
My post history says otherwise.
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Your recent post history showed you crying about the mods not enforcing the ToS, specifically in regards to baiting, flaming and trolling. Now here you are, within days, throwing personal attacks at another poster as if to bait them into an argument.
This single undeniable fact makes you a hypocrite. The rest of your post history speaks for itself.
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Your recent post history showed you crying about the mods not enforcing the ToS, specifically in regards to baiting, flaming and trolling. Now here you are, within days, throwing personal attacks at another poster as if to bait them into an argument.
This single undeniable fact makes you a hypocrite. The rest of your post history speaks for itself.
I am just telling it like it is. Isn't that what you guys do?
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Yeah, but when we do it we're not being hypocrites just to be spiteful. We're analytical and possess a bit more abrasive of a sense of humor than most.
You're just doing it to be the loudest person in the room. Well, you are, congratulations.
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Yeah, but when we do it we're not being hypocrites just to be spiteful. We're analytical and possess a bit more abrasive of a sense of humor than most.
The best part is you have no idea how big of a joke you are.
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Spookysheep posted:
Turumbar-HG posted:
They did the same thing with the previous charity pet, where was your outrage then?
The last charity pet was only 50% of proceeds, but the pet was WAY cooler
Yeah I think they only did 50% because they actually had development costs for that one. This cenarion hatchling pet already exists in game through TCG so there was probably very little development cost to start selling them.
Taloquin, I'm sorry for your loss. It hurts and it's hard to know what to do to make the hurting stop. Just try not to lash out at people(companies) who are trying to help. Most of them really are sincere in their effort to help. Things like profit and publicity are icing on the cake....but just because the icing exists let's not forget that there's still a cake there that is greater than the icing.
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I'm a joke but you're the one having a meltdown here on VN because other people aren't posting the way you think they should post.
k, lol, at least we're both laughing over this
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I'm a joke but you're the one having a meltdown here on VN because other people aren't posting the way you think they should post.
k, lol, at least we're both laughing over this
Meltdown?
You are so predictable. Are you ever going to come up with something other than using the whining, QQing, freaking out or meltdown to try and win your sad little vn pvp contest?
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This isn't a politically charged question at all, just an honest question because I am curious: do you watch Fox News, and/or listen to AM radio?
First of all, don't sugar coat it, that is most certainly a politically charged question. Second, my news media of choice is ABC.
No, it's just a question. Thanks for responding, but to be more specific, do you watch Fox News and/or listen to AM radio while preferring ABC?
I don't listen to the radio at all and from time to time I'll stop on Fox News and watch a little bit. I'm not a fan of them at all though. While I don't agree with all liberal ideas they tend to have a more truthful side of things than conservative ideas when it comes to news networks.
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Hi I'm a dork who utterly failed at trolling.
Indeed.
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If you don't listen or read both liberal and conservative news then you are not informed because both sides lack journalistic integrity on occasion and the truth lies between them.
Quazimortal posted:
I don't listen to the radio at all and from time to time I'll stop on Fox News and watch a little bit. I'm not a fan of them at all though. While I don't agree with all liberal ideas they tend to have a more truthful side of things than conservative ideas when it comes to news networks.
Reading comprehension is awesome! 
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Hi I'm a dork who utterly failed at trolling.
Indeed.
12 cents on the dollar!
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Was that supposed to be some kind of witty comeback? You need to step up your game sir because you suck at this.
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Was that supposed to be some kind of witty comeback? You need to step up your game sir because you suck at this.
Word of mouth was that it was pretty witty. Guess you can't believe everything you hear ehh?
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I'm a joke but you're the one having a meltdown here on VN because other people aren't posting the way you think they should post.
k, lol, at least we're both laughing over this
Meltdown?
You are so predictable. Are you ever going to come up with something other than using the whining, QQing, freaking out or meltdown to try and win your sad little vn pvp contest?
Thank you for proving me right.
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I think he's just throwing a tantrum cause his whine thread got deleted. It's pretty sad but hilarious to watch.
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Nope, dont see this as a problem. They still are doing good for those poor people.
Edit - speeling problim@@@#231!
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Please, for the love of VN, show me where he's "having a tantrum" or "having a meltdown" as you guys are claiming. Cos I don't see it. I see him treating you just like you treat others and you guys trying, once again, to pull things out of your bums and treat it as fact. Much like what Spooky got caught doing.
There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that if Boone had posted something he heard "word of mouth" and acted like it was fact without doing the slightest bit of research to verify it, you guys would be all over him for it. But since someone from your precious lil clique did it, it's ok and the one who called him on it is having a meltdown and throwing a tantrum. Double standards and hypocrites ftw! Sucks to have your own tactics used against you eh?
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Hey Jared, nice to see you. It's been so long since you left, we almost forgot about you
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Oh what a surprise. Dodging the question and trying to change the subject.
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Please, for the love of VN, show me where he's "having a tantrum" or "having a meltdown" as you guys are claiming. Cos I don't see it. I see him treating you just like you treat others and you guys trying, once again, to pull things out of your bums and treat it as fact. Much like what Spooky got caught doing.
There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that if Boone had posted something he heard "word of mouth" and acted like it was fact without doing the slightest bit of research to verify it, you guys would be all over him for it. But since someone from your precious lil clique did it, it's ok and the one who called him on it is having a meltdown and throwing a tantrum. Double standards and hypocrites ftw! Sucks to have your own tactics used against you eh?
That's how it works with the vn pvp group of "friends".
Someone posts a link with facts included to illustrate a point and since that point goes against their little agenda they claim the facts are invalid without providing any sort of facts of their own to back up their agenda. The little group of e "friends" all then zerg the thread bleating over and over their agenda to drown the facts out and then call the poster either a whiner, a QQer, a sheep fanboi or claim they are throwing a tantrum or such. It's the same thing they have been doing for years.
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It's okay Boone, let it all out.
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That was funny. He couldn't wait to prove your prediction right.
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That's how it works with the vn pvp group of "friends".
Someone posts a link with facts included to illustrate a point and since that point goes against their little agenda they claim the facts are invalid without providing any sort of facts of their own to back up their agenda. The little group of e "friends" all then zerg the thread bleating over and over their agenda to drown the facts out and then call the poster either a whiner, a QQer, a sheep fanboi or claim they are throwing a tantrum or such. It's the same thing they have been doing for years.
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In fact I pretty much did pull that number out of my ass to serve my agenda, I took the information word of mouth from other people and treated it as gospel without any sort of fact verification because I am a sheep. But you all already knew I was based on my previous post history so this should not come as a surprise.
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Don't try to understand Boone's tantrum Dums, you'll only hurt your brain.
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That's how it works with the vn pvp group of "friends".
Someone posts a link with facts included to illustrate a point and since that point goes against their little agenda they claim the facts are invalid without providing any sort of facts of their own to back up their agenda. The little group of e "friends" all then zerg the thread bleating over and over their agenda to drown the facts out and then call the poster either a whiner, a QQer, a sheep fanboi or claim they are throwing a tantrum or such. It's the same thing they have been doing for years.
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In fact I pretty much did pull that number out of my ass to serve my agenda, I took the information word of mouth from other people and treated it as gospel without any sort of fact verification because I am a sheep. But you all already knew I was based on my previous post history so this should not come as a surprise.
Fixed.
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If you mean the little hissy fit you've been throwing on here all day, yeah bro you nailed it.
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If you mean the little hissy fit you've been throwing on here all day, yeah bro you nailed it.
You guys just don't break from the script do you?
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Just stating facts.
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If you mean the little hissy fit you've been throwing on here all day, yeah bro you nailed it.
You guys just don't break from the script do you?
If logical fallacies were sharp-edged potholes, your debatemobile would have broken your bank in tire costs long ago.
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Well Gutter is stuck on repeat mode and Arc is falling back on the "I said it on VN so it MUST be true" tactic. I'd say this is a pretty bad day for them,
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I stopped insulting you guys when I realized how seriously you take this stuff.
Which was a while ago. You're only hurting yourselves now.
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I'm getting beat at my own game so I'm gonna run away now.
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I stopped insulting you guys when I realized how seriously you take this stuff.
Which was a while ago. You're only hurting yourselves now.
But you take it so not seriously you don't have to reply right?
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Only thing I have to do is die.
Continuing to post here is just something to burn time.
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Only thing I have to do is die.
Continuing to post here is just something to burn time.
Ahh so you don't take it seriously but everyone else must yes?
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I guess? Do you even know what you're saying anymore lol
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