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I've been running normals on/off for a couple of weeks and haven't had any problems in quite a few instances.
My gear isn't great, nor is it bad:
- It isn't BIS from normal dungeons
- I don't have all the rep pieces I could get yet (but that will take quite a while from farming)
- I have't enchanted anything, knowing that almost all of it will get replaced very shortly.
Full gear attached: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/darkmoon-faire/bharvon/simple I have got enough points to upgrade the two green pieces or I will equip a piece of PVP gear in one of them.
From my experience with my healer I know it is more about knowing the dungeon, but I also know what it is like to heal an undergeared group and how painful it would be to try and heal myself if i was taking a lot of damage!
There are certain packs of mobs which I can't help wondering whether I would be able to heal my War through!
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You need item level 329 for heroics I think.
I'd suggest to put cheaper (old generation) enchants, but you can still gain substantial stamina and avoidance. A belt buckle can help too, if you have enough gold or can make them yourself (40 more stamina).
Get that health up a bit, that's pretty low!
After that, all depends how well you are mastering your character (and the heroic boss mechanics). The best thing is to give it a try. And pray you don't get Stonecore for your first... or maybe pray you get it, if you pass that one, you're ready for all 
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The_Korrigan posted:
You need item level 329 for heroics I think.
I'd suggest to put cheaper (old generation) enchants, but you can still gain substantial stamina and avoidance. A belt buckle can help too, if you have enough gold or can make them yourself (40 more stamina).
Get that health up a bit, that's pretty low!
After that, all depends how well you are mastering your character (and the heroic boss mechanics). The best thing is to give it a try. And pray you don't get Stonecore for your first... or maybe pray you get it, if you pass that one, you're ready for all
I am a little under threshold at moment... but if I purchase two pieces I should easily get over it. I can get Belt Buckle and I could but a couple of JC Stam gems into my gear if you think the stam is the biggest issue.
What is hard about Stonecore out of interest?? I never liked that witch at the end, but the rest of the bosses were simple on normal mode.
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Hornet_MT posted:
What is hard about Stonecore out of interest?? I never liked that witch at the end, but the rest of the bosses were simple on normal mode.
It's not really harder than others, but requires a bit more tank work, notably on the stone giant boss and possibly the dragon too. The three instances which seem to give PUGs the most problems, in my experience, are Deadmines, Stonecore and Grim Batol.
About health, armory doesn't show any buffs so I can't really guess your total health. My DK has 178k health unbuffed, but that's way too high for heroics of course, 130k+ should be decent to start with (I don't remember exactly to be honest).
As I said, best is to give it a try 
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And don't sacrifice avoidance for hit but make sure you have a decent amount. How much depends on the class you play. I could be wrong but I think DK's can run with less hit than paladins for example. Hit can be a major factor for holding agro. Doesn't matter if you can take all the hits int eh world if your dps is taking them instead. And it can be a problem if you're running with wellg eared dps who may not give you a second to build agro. While you can say "you did too much dps!" you still need to make sure you're doing your part.
I forgot to get my hit raiting up agian after adjusting for the whole no more defense thing, I was just too used to being uber. While I didn't lose agro a ton I had to fight a lot harder to keep it until I double checked my hit. After doubling it I suddenly felt beastly again.
As far specific gear pieces, I'd try to run reg Stonecore for a while for Leaden Despair (stam and armor bonus trinket)and replace Left Eye of Rah. Or get the Right Eye of Rah isntead. I'm pretty Str > Agi for warriors.
A little note on parry and dodge, they're on the same dimishing returns table so it's more effective to keep them close together.
Looks like you're headed in the right direction.
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It's the opposite. DKs need more hit and expertise than the other tanks, because their "block" (blood shield) depends on hitting the enemy. One missed death strike means no shield, no damage mitigation. Warriors and Paladins can do well with almost no hit and expertise at all (my guild's ones actually reforge it).
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Ha! Good to know. I don't tank with my DK anymore, she's still lvl 80 DW Frost. A guildie said he didnt run with much hit on his DK tank, while he does a good job, it's not his main and he's not gearing him out.
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The_Korrigan posted:
It's the opposite. DKs need more hit and expertise than the other tanks, because their "block" (blood shield) depends on hitting the enemy. One missed death strike means no shield, no damage mitigation. Warriors and Paladins can do well with almost no hit and expertise at all (my guild's ones actually reforge it).
I don't think I would push for expertise or hit over mastery unless you are hurting for threat. Missing a death strike here and there is just a GCD.
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not saying you want to ignore expertise but you should get enough from regular mode dungeons to not worry about reforging it by the time you enter heroics.
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White_Bunnay posted:
not saying you want to ignore expertise but you should get enough from regular mode dungeons to not worry about reforging it by the time you enter heroics.
You made a good point in the sense that your don't even remotely need as much hit and expertise in heroics than you need for raid bosses. Heroic bosses are not "skull" bosses, and the miss, dodge and parry chances are way lower than raid bosses. On a raid boss, you do NOT want a death strike to miss, when even a global cooldown missed can sometimes be the difference between life and death, and also results in the loss of a substantial amount of damage mitigation over a whole fight.
The best is to use the mouse over on your character sheet as reference, knowing that heroic bosses are "only" level 87, so only 2 levels above you. That's also why paladins and warriors can do heroics comfortably with almost no hit/expertise at all (and even raid bosses, but that's out of topic).
Thanks for clearing that up
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PallyDog posted:
As far specific gear pieces, I'd try to run reg Stonecore for a while for Leaden Despair (stam and armor bonus trinket)and replace Left Eye of Rah. Or get the Right Eye of Rah isntead. I'm pretty Str > Agi for warriors.
Thanks.... I've seen it drop but unfortunately I was running as DPS at the time and didn't roll on it 
I like the Eye of Rajh for the Expertise but will try and replace if I need Stam more. My Hit isn't quite high enough for Raid bosses yet, I think I have a 1.13% chance to miss with yellow, but I'm pretty sure it is good enough for Heroic bosses.
I will work on getting the 130k HP - currently at 115k before I go for a Heroic... last night I had a priest healing me and on several occasions thought I was about to go down. I am not sure how much of that was down to his healing ability or the damage I was taking. My other 'main' is a priest and I know I have mana issues with him in mediocre gear... so it may just be the class.
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Don't bother too much about expertise on a warrior. Give it a try first. If you are really desperate about threat, then consider it, but specially when you just started and don't have godlike health, my opinion is that you should focus on survivability.
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I'd also like to point out that you should NOT be afraid to use your cooldowns on trash if you are getting smashed. Your healer will thank you!
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^^^
That. /chuckles
Took me forever to start using CD's on trash. I always saved them becaue well..they're cooldowns!! OMG! It didn't hurt my rotation, most are only a few minutes allowing me to use them fairly regularly and if it saves my healer aggravation, all the better. I don't HAVE to use them but it doesn't hurt either.
If I have to use them on trash over and over...then it can be a problem once you get to a boss.
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Quazimortal posted:
I'd also like to point out that you should NOT be afraid to use your cooldowns on trash if you are getting smashed. Your healer will thank you!
Despite my limited experience in normal instances, the trash seems to be harder than the boss most of the tims and I generally as I rarely need CD's for boss I do pop them if I think the healers in trouble. I think Heroic may be different as the bosses spank harder, but usually the healer is ready for boss spanking at least
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PallyDog posted:
^^^
That. /chuckles
Took me forever to start using CD's on trash. I always saved them becaue well..they're cooldowns!! OMG! It didn't hurt my rotation, most are only a few minutes allowing me to use them fairly regularly and if it saves my healer aggravation, all the better. I don't HAVE to use them but it doesn't hurt either.
If I have to use them on trash over and over...then it can be a problem once you get to a boss.
same here  . in fact, I think you taught me that lol.
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