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Bashiok posted:
Hrm, I reckon it's rewards that ruined world PvP. Everyone harkens back to TM/SS as the holy grail of world PvP, and that was before and maybe slightly after the honor system was implemented (but before real rewards existed from it). I think you can encourage world PvP all you want, and if there aren't rewards behind it you'll keep people interested for about as long as it takes them to realize there are other things to do that give real power increases. Why would anyone spend any amount of time just pushing back and forth for no reason when you can spend your time toward actual rewards and character improvement? Maybe there are some of you, but I guarantee it'd be short lived.
I mean shoot, you have Isle of Quel'Danas or even quest hubs in Cataclysm where people are literally forced together, and there's complaints that they just want people to stop PvPing so they can get their stuff done so they can get their rewards. That's kind of unfair because I know many did enjoy those situations, but somehow it never meets the awesomeness of TM/SS, and I reckon it just never could again.
The best I can think that you could do is create a specific world PvP zone where you don't allow flying mounts, give some objective to tug-o-war over, and so you can justify giving some semi-meaningful rewards and keep people interested you'd need to find some way to even up the sides (because world PvP is inherently going to be unfair). I think you do all that and you probably have the best working solution for bringing back world PvP.
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Reminds me of that "awesome" World PVP tower capture thing in Eastern Plaguelands... Never saw anything happening there :/
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Its even easier then that..
Delete the arena's off the server, and give arena points for World PVP kills.
Problem solved.
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/facepalm
Bashiok posted:
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mean shoot, you have Isle of Quel'Danas or even quest hubs in Cataclysm
where people are literally forced together, and there's complaints that
they just want people to stop PvPing so they can get their stuff done
so they can get their rewards. That's kind of unfair because I know many
did enjoy those situations, but somehow it never meets the awesomeness
of TM/SS, and I reckon it just never could again.
Invalid argument. IQD was some of the best pre-raid gear you could get and it required faction, which required dailies. THAT is why people griped about PVP there. It was precisely the wrong type of reward mixing.
Bashiok posted:
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best I can think that you could do is create a specific world PvP zone
where you don't allow flying mounts, give some objective to tug-o-war
over, and so you can justify giving some semi-meaningful rewards and
keep people interested you'd need to find some way to even up the sides
(because world PvP is inherently going to be unfair). I think you do all
that and you probably have the best working solution for bringing back
world PvP.
"What is EPL towers/Bone Wastes towers?" for $500, Alex. Semi-meaningful was the problem. Put in a world PVP zone where the entire faction got 20% bonus to XP while controlled and you'd see more action. Even if you didn't get gear/points from it. And it would foster community in that the max-level players would be helping the lowbies level through bonuses.
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Vault_News posted:
the state of world pvp
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I love world PVP, but WoW has no world PVP at the moment.
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GutterSludge posted:
Its even easier then that..
Delete the arena's off the server, and give arena points for World PVP kills.
Problem solved.
and get rid of the BGs. Possibly, but extremely unlikely.
The majority of WoW players are too obsessed with a new purple trinket from the gear treadmill and spend all their time in a raid or counting dkp. Blizzard has fostered and bred this type of gamer in WoW.
So it would have to be more than just get rid of Arenas/BGs, it would have to be a whole philosophy change from the top where the best gear is only gained through World PvP honor.
We all know this aint gonna happen, sadly.
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More proof that the Devs are completely clueless.
Here is a start, when you mix world PvP with PvE that is relevant, people will complain. The PvE crowd wants to get its geardailies done and the PvP crowd wants to grief people/goes where the crowd is... IQD was a total clusterf*ck. I actually went PvE server forever because of that place, after leveling 5 to 70 on a PvP server.
Separate PvE and PvP. THose who want to do either will gravitate towards what they want to do, forcing them together is idiotic, you clods.
People loved TM/SS becuz it had little impact on the PvE world and if felt like a battle. There were no dailies of anything else relevant to be disrupted. Just zerg, pocket PvP and running battles.
FFS are you truly that stupid? Its like you become a Dev and your brains turn to garbage.
It is a shame you can't actually tell the devs this stuff, while I doubt they do, I would love it if they could read this stuff. You post this on official forums and say hello to a 3 day ban and the post removed. The devs are about as out of touch as you can get.
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-Peo- posted:
...The devs are about as out of touch as you can get.
Businesses are just like big government.
The bigger they get, the more likely they are to become out of touch with the people that put them there in the first place.
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PVP in WOW fail?
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2 faction world pvp can never work, it will only be balanced on a few servers..
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kuide posted:
2 faction world pvp can never work, it will only be balanced on a few servers..
If that, I remember seeing on MMOchamp that as a whole in WoW the Horde out number Ali 3-1!
Then there is the what can only be described as the faction imbalance itself and likely the root cause of the player imbalance; if you look at the stats of just about any level 85 Ali that does normal BG's on a regular basis which are under the achievements stat tab for PVP it is easy to see the Alliance losses 3-5 for every one they win.
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portablehospital posted:
Vault_News posted:
the state of world pvp
lol
My sentiments exactly.
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kuide posted:
2 faction world pvp can never work, it will only be balanced on a few servers..
Because DAoC was the shining example of how a 3 faction PvP game can be balanced...
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