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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228226730
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228176811
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228176900
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228416170
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Did they touch anything other than gather bots?
If finally they took a stand against BG botters (yeah who am I kidding) I'd be mildly interested.
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Deionnara posted:
Did they touch anything other than gather bots?
If finally they took a stand against BG botters (yeah who am I kidding) I'd be mildly interested.
Well, I am willing to bet that the people who use gather bots also use other bots. I am seeing on arena junkies some banned gladiators. (What!? Gladiators cheat? *shocked face*)
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Archeology bots. WTF
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Archeology bots. WTF
It must have been a bot that Blizz could actually detect... I read that it involved a speed hack to get to the sites quicker so that seems easily detected. And I am pretty sure peoples first bot wasn't an archeology bot. I am hoping we see wide spread repercussions.
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It is amazing the amount of excuses I see for cheating. I have seen it for over 10 years. Every last one of them acts like this was unfair and it was an honest mistake. I expect we will be seeing the same lame posts again 10 years from now.
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http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/193864-i-got/
got rid of some of the BG botters 
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Im not justifying botting at all but - if something in your game is so boring or tedious that a player uses a bot, then they need to look at changing the mechanics of that "something".
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I hope it was mostly the "gatherers" that had been porting around gathering from underneath the nodes. those guys really pissed me off and i'd always report them if i could, a few of them i killed because they'd be lower levels in higher areas and i could target the and hit them with a couple dots.
anyways, good to finally hear about it.
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I logged in banned tonight, unjustly mind you!
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Kriegprojekt posted:
Im not justifying botting at all but - if something in your game is so boring or tedious that a player uses a bot, then they need to look at changing the mechanics of that "something".
If the game was so exciting you needed a doctors permission to play people would still bot and cheat. It is not boredom it is lazy.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Kriegprojekt posted:
Im not justifying botting at all but - if something in your game is so boring or tedious that a player uses a bot, then they need to look at changing the mechanics of that "something".
If the game was so exciting you needed a doctors permission to play people would still bot and cheat. It not boredom it is lazy.
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From what I was reading, the archaeology bot in question (who shall not be named) apparently sent messages to a chat channel for navigation. I mean, LOL? Botters apparently tend to be some of the absolute stupidest people in the game -- including barrens chat.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
It is amazing the amount of excuses I see for cheating. I have seen it for over 10 years. Every last one of them acts like this was unfair and it was an honest mistake. I expect we will be seeing the same lame posts again 10 years from now.
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http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/193864-i-got/
got rid of some of the BG botters
Ha great bit of QQ over there. "No 3 day ban I just got perma ban QQQQQQ". I love it!
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chaddlock posted:
Ferrydust posted:
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/193864-i-got/
got rid of some of the BG botters
Ha great bit of QQ over there. "No 3 day ban I just got perma ban QQQQQQ". I love it!
Yeah I read that whole thread,good stuff. Too bad I don't have an active account now, would be curious how many of my old guild's bg players got whacked. Most of them logged and whatnot and you never could get a peep out of them
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Good thing i never wasted cash on a botting program~
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
If the game was so exciting you needed a doctors permission to play people would still bot and cheat. It is not boredom it is lazy.
that's not true. it's more about the type of game. it's about games that build slowly over time. those are the ones that get botted. if the game has no mechanics that you have to do over and over and over and over (no matter how exciting the thing you do over and over and over and over is) it won't get botted.
- i've never seen any pac-man bots.
- i've never seen any knights of the old republic bots.
- i've never seen any grand theft auto vice city bots.
- i DID see grand theft auto san andreas bots though. why? becuase they added stuff like working out that you had to do over and over to build up.
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It's still laziness. Nothing in the world forces you to... PLAY a video GAME.
If you have to cheat to have fun, wouldn't it be better not to play at all, and play another game instead?
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Iv'e never botted but i agree with botting.
My mates bot went into a bg and came out 32-0.
unless they have a ranking system that the best randoms can play against the best(with extra honor for harder games) then people will keep botting becuase 9/10 games are boring one sided and tedious.
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I don't really care about botting one way or the other.
I care about the RULES of the game.
When you have one part of the population following the rules, and another part breaking them, it undermines the game itself.
If the only way you can have fun is to break the rules, good riddance to you.
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seanh_race posted:
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If the game was so exciting you needed a doctors permission to play people would still bot and cheat. It is not boredom it is lazy.
that's not true. it's more about the type of game. it's about games that build slowly over time. those are the ones that get botted. if the game has no mechanics that you have to do over and over and over and over (no matter how exciting the thing you do over and over and over and over is) it won't get botted.
- i've never seen any pac-man bots.
- i've never seen any knights of the old republic bots.
- i've never seen any grand theft auto vice city bots.
- i DID see grand theft auto san andreas bots though. why? becuase they added stuff like working out that you had to do over and over to build up.
Note that he said bot and cheat. All of the above games you mentioned had at least one cheat/hack associated with them, including pac man.
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Besides that, it is a TERRIBLE analogy. If Pac-Man rewarded you in a way that would make botting advantageous in some way, there would most CERTAINLY be a bot for it. One game of Pac-Man doesn't build on the last, which means there is no point to botting.
People will cheat to get ahead if they can. It doesn't matter what the game is or how repetitive it is in nature. Sometimes, people will even cheat just because- even when they aren't playing against anyone else! (See: Game Genie)
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seanh_race posted:
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If the game was so exciting you needed a doctors permission to play people would still bot and cheat. It is not boredom it is lazy.
that's not true. it's more about the type of game. it's about games that build slowly over time. those are the ones that get botted. if the game has no mechanics that you have to do over and over and over and over (no matter how exciting the thing you do over and over and over and over is) it can't get botted.
- i've never seen any pac-man bots.
- i've never seen any knights of the old republic bots.
- i've never seen any grand theft auto vice city bots.
- i DID see grand theft auto san andreas bots though. why? becuase they added stuff like working out that you had to do over and over to build up.
Fixed it.
Botting is only easy for repetitious actions so games that avoid that are too difficult and time consuming to get a useful bot.
Que the bott fanbois with "OMG anything can be automated, my friends brothers cousin has a bot that levels from 1-80 and then starts raiding and sounds an alarm after it gets full T888"
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Another interesting read. It's what is wrong with so much of the player base imo.
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/194086-banned/
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I really think there should be some type of amnesty program for these poor tortured folks!!!
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Another interesting read. It's what is wrong with so much of the player base imo.
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/194086-banned/
That is priceless whining right there. Aren't these the "I drink noob tears" people?
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Makes you want to gather all their tears up in a jar and force them to drink it, eh?
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The best reply in the thread was:
I believe affx was only banned once, and only because an inconsiderate (bleep) (see half the thread) made a video of him botting and spammed the blizz forums with it till he got banned.
Yeah, it was the guy who reported him that was inconsiderate! ahhahaha Affx is (was?) in Blizzards 'golden' guild. Getting him banned was no small feet for whoever pulled it off.
And then affx replies that he was given a new mage from someone else.
These are the same people that use cheats but STILL think everyone else is just 'bad'. They actually think that. They are so skilled that they COULD have won without cheats of course! ahhahaha
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Besides that, it is a TERRIBLE analogy. If Pac-Man rewarded you in a way that would make botting advantageous in some way, there would most CERTAINLY be a bot for it. One game of Pac-Man doesn't build on the last, which means there is no point to botting.
if only i'd said that same thing! oh wait i did! ("it's about games that build slowly over time.")
my whole point is that pac man doesn't get botted since it doesn't build on itself. congrats on understanding what i said, even though you think you thought of it youself...
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All of the above games you mentioned had at least one cheat/hack associated with them, including pac man.
oh i'm sure they did... what i said was "i've never heard..." which was a shorthand way of saying "it's not that popular a thing to do to bot those games, even though i'm sure someone has done it, just to do it"
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It's still laziness. Nothing in the world forces you to... PLAY a video GAME.
of course it's laziness.
nothing in world forces you to... NOT BE LAZY when playing a video GAME.
many people play video games expressly to be lazy. i'd even posit that the MAJORITY of people play video GAMES to be lazy.
the only reason more people don't bot video games is because they're being LAZY. too lazy to go out, find hacks, install them, live in fear of getting caught, etc, etc... people aren't "not botting" video games out of some sense of fairness or work ethic, it's just that they're too lazy to figure out how to bot the game.
- if botting was built into the game do you think most people would do it? of course they would.
- if making your character any level with any gear was built into the game do you think most people would do it? of course they would.
most players of a game are lazy.
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If you have to cheat to have fun, wouldn't it be better not to play at all, and play another game instead?
no.
why?
if botting a game (whether doing do is cheating or not) leads to the most fun for a person, why would they not do that?
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if botting a game (whether doing do is cheating or not) leads to the most fun for a person, why would they not do that?
Because it is as selfish as you can be. At some point in your life I hope you are not so selfish. Making people try and carry a bot *usually BOTS* with their time while you sleep or whatever is just sad. And if we can't manage it we lose because of you. But selfish people don't care and should diaf.
A botter is not a real gamer. Period. But you already know that.
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This thread made me lol. good stuff
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if botting a game (whether doing do is cheating or not) leads to the most fun for a person, why would they not do that?
Because it is as selfish as you can be. At some point in your life I hope you are not so selfish. Making people try and carry a bot *usually BOTS* with their time while you sleep or whatever is just sad. And if we can't manage it we lose because of you. But selfish people don't care and should diaf.
A botter is not a real gamer. Period. But you already know that.
oh... i thought the original question ("If you have to cheat to have fun, wouldn't it be better not to play at all, and play another game instead?") was from the perspective of the person cheating. which is how i answered it.
yes, it's probably better for other people playing the game if cheaters are not around.
EDIT: oops posted before i types my 2nd thoguht...
i'm not sure what "real gamer" is. so many people have so many definitions. most of which come down to "real gamer = someone who games like me" but tell us, what's your definition of "real gamer"? i'm sure it's much more involved than "someone who doesn't cheat".
and it's always been my assumption that people who cheat/bot aren't worried about being "real gamers". they're just looking to have fun doing something, and their current method involves cheating at a video game.
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Kriegprojekt posted:
Im not justifying botting at all but - if something in your game is so boring or tedious that a player uses a bot, then they need to look at changing the mechanics of that "something".
Good one.
People cheat because they are cheaters. Whatever lame excuses they want to make.
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Ferrydust posted:
if botting a game (whether doing do is cheating or not) leads to the most fun for a person, why would they not do that?
Because it is as selfish as you can be. At some point in your life I hope you are not so selfish. Making people try and carry a bot *usually BOTS* with their time while you sleep or whatever is just sad. And if we can't manage it we lose because of you. But selfish people don't care and should diaf.
A botter is not a real gamer. Period. But you already know that.
Yep, and if someone doesn't agree to the terms of service, don't accept them. Go do something else. /shrug
P.S. I like when people do the "my cheating is okay, it's those other cheaters that are bad! Boo!". Like, AFK botting is cool, account buying/selling selling is cool, and/or gathering botting is cool - but man those other cheaters - they are bad! Boo hiss!
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but tell us, what's your definition of "real gamer"? i'm sure it's much more involved than "someone who doesn't cheat".
A real gamer is someone who doesn't cheat. That's certainly the most important part.
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Ferrydust posted:
seanh_race posted:
but tell us, what's your definition of "real gamer"? i'm sure it's much more involved than "someone who doesn't cheat".
A real gamer is someone who doesn't cheat. That's certainly the most important part.
that can't possibly be the most important part of the definition. at least not to most people.
exibit a. my mom. who's played freecell a few times.
exibit b. the last national winning wow arena team. (shown after the fact to have cheated to get their characters the levels and gear they have)
most people's definitions of "real gamer" wouldn't call my mom the real gamer of that group. becuase most people's defintion of "real gamer" includes things like:
- frequency of gaming
- dedication to gaming
- skill at gaming
- types of games played
- number of games played
- knowledge of games/game trivia
and stuff like that.
also for an example... there's me... i've never botted wow, but i doubt i'm a "real wow player" by anyone's standards. i started playing after litch king came out. i have one charcater. i'm not level 85. i have killed exactly two people in pvp. (both 20+ levels below me) i've never been in an arena. i don't have any crafting skill(s).
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