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Looks like RIFT may be giving WoW a run for it's money.
I figure if any game is going to lose subs to RIFT it will be WoW.
PvE Fans, here is your gem. It's called RIFT.
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Oh look! Another 3 post alt account troll with not enough balls to troll on his main account!
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Oh look! Another 3 post alt account troll with not enough balls to troll on his main account!
Oh look! Another retarded attempt at an insult slung by Korrigan!
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Rift just proves that a lot of us are sick of WoW and we want a good, competant game to replace WoW with.
However, as good as Rift appears to be so far, you need to keep in mind it uses the exact same gameplay dynamics that WoW does, with 2 inovations (the class structure and the RIFT's).
So my point is, once the newness wears off and people hit the level cap, I think those who were sick of grinding endlessly for loot in WoW, are going to be sick of Rift just as fast.
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The same poster also trolled the Rift forum...
At least I know how to use the "post history" link... 
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WoW will just be losing subs over time because it's getting so old. I'd agree Rift is one of the few MMOs (almost) ready for release to have come out in many years but as Mithan listed it only has a couple "special" things about it so many people will likely burn out on Rift in a short time too. I'll enjoy Rift for a while just for the new setting but I can't see myself playing it anywhere near as long as I played WoW or even EQ1.
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I predict that as usual, people will screw with rift for 1-3 months, then 90% of those enjoying the diversion will be done with it. Same old.
I know exactly 1 person who's not even in my guild that preordered rift, didn't do much with the beta, and still hasn't even logged into rift as of yesterday. I reminded her that rift has been live a few days ago and maybe she should log in and check it out.
What is kind of sad is that rift has a decent amount of hype yet threads like this happen...or you see ads for rif with "we're not in azeroth anymore" - because even the rift team can't stop thinking about WoW.
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What's also sad, Voqar, is when the same poster made a thread on Rift forums saying how much Rift is bad and should have been like DAoC... and then he pretends promoting Rift here? On a 3 post account?
Please... we are all more experienced than that in VN board habits!
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What's also sad, Voqar, is when the same poster made a thread on Rift forums saying how much Rift is bad and should have been like DAoC... and then he pretends promoting Rift here? On a 3 post account?
Please... we are all more experienced than that in VN board habits!
The fact that you think you've got posting habits and styles figured out is laughable beyond many things.
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Trolls defending trolls is also in the VN habits.
Sometimes, the two accounts are actually the same...
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Still laughing at you.
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Arcilite, if you'd done a better job than this with your troll account, you wouldn't have had to post in this thread on your main to try to stir it up further.
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lol, now you sound like Korrigan, just more dumb
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Looks like RIFT may be giving WoW a run for it's money.
I figure if any game is going to lose subs to RIFT it will be WoW.
PvE Fans, here is your gem. It's called RIFT.
People have been predicting WoW killers for 6 years. The only thing that can kill WoW is blizzard.
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Arcilite, if you'd done a better job than this with your troll account, you wouldn't have had to post in this thread on your main to try to stir it up further.
It's Korrigan's troll account.
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Sprindex posted:
Looks like RIFT may be giving WoW a run for it's money.
I figure if any game is going to lose subs to RIFT it will be WoW.
PvE Fans, here is your gem. It's called RIFT.
People have been predicting WoW killers for 6 years. The only thing that can kill WoW is blizzard.
Which B team has done a pretty damn good job of since cata.WoW will be just fine though there are alot of first time mmog players in WoW who are too scared to step out and play anything else different.
I am enjoying rift so far not playing it hard core hour or two here and there one things for sure though when I do have free time my thought anymore isn't I got a hour to kill I can do a few dailies in WoW instead it's lemme log into Eift maybe do a few or run a couple quests.I think if Rift keeps content coming they can very easily retain there player base no reason they cannot.
Van WoW wasn't like there was tons to do either if you weren't in a big guild you sure didn't pug mc.You pretty much grinded rep and ran the 5 mans you can do the same thing in Rift.
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st0rmie posted:
Arcilite, if you'd done a better job than this with your troll account, you wouldn't have had to post in this thread on your main to try to stir it up further.
It's Korrigan's troll account.
Whoever it is, it's definitely weak enough that it needs feeding. Maybe it's my troll account and I'm feeding it right now!
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Nope, WoW hasn't met its match. Rift is just benefiting from the disappointment that is Cataclysm.
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I am going to ban the next one of you guys who attacks the other guy, for 1 week.
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I'm liking Rift right now, but I don't think I'll be playing this for 6 years like WoW.
I feel like I am just killing time waiting for SWTOR, or even closer, DA2. 
I may not even play Rift that much after Tuesday.
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I am going to ban the next one of you guys who attacks the other guy, for 1 week.
Is this like "Dont make me pull over!!" ? 
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People have been predicting WoW killers for 6 years. The only thing that can kill WoW is blizzard.
This is probably true. It definitely won't be the next big WoW Clone that kills it, so Rift looks to be out. I'm not knocking it for those that are enjoying playing it, but there is nothing new to see here.
"We're not in Azeroth anymore!" They can't even think of anything interesting to say about their game, so they try to gain glory by association. I might have tried it if not for that silly ad.
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HunterTalon posted:
Sprindex posted:
People have been predicting WoW killers for 6 years. The only thing that can kill WoW is blizzard.
This is probably true. It definitely won't be the next big WoW Clone that kills it, so Rift looks to be out. I'm not knocking it for those that are enjoying playing it, but there is nothing new to see here.
"We're not in Azeroth anymore!" They can't even think of anything interesting to say about their game, so they try to gain glory by association. I might have tried it if not for that silly ad.
I think the advertising was good.. the rift opens up and thats the point at which you realize you are playing a different game. Its spot on.
Rift is a fun diversion.. I dont think the few additions / updates on past games will hold a ton of subscribers for the long haul. Time will tell. I just dont feel the "innovation" of having everyone run rampant around the zone closing rifts is going to keep people interested. They did a good job making people think they are accomplishing something...but all the criticism of WoW and their "carrot-on-a-stick" is being played out on an even larger scale every time you hear the rift air raid sirens go off.
That being said.. I think Ill go play Rift for a bit. 
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I am going to ban the next one of you guys who attacks the other guy, for 1 week.
Why am I not allowed to say that?
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Looks like RIFT may be giving WoW a run for it's money.
I figure if any game is going to lose subs to RIFT it will be WoW.
PvE Fans, here is your gem. It's called RIFT.
People have been predicting WoW killers for 6 years. The only thing that can kill WoW is blizzard.
Unfortunately they tried very hard with Cataclysm
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If WoW has taught us anything, it's that the MMO subscriber population is not fixed. Most folks who experience it once will continue to play some form of MMO from then on, yet there are plenty of new folks joining the MMO world every day.
Just like money: it isn't a zero-sum game.
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I am going to ban the next one of you guys who attacks the other guy, for 1 week.
Why am I not allowed to say that?
Cause Mithan is pimp mama y0!
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I've been playing Rift since launch day.. It has its good and bad up against WOW.. I miss flight points and hearthing to a city is a 1 hour cooldown. Mages are more squishy in RIFT than they are in WOW. It takes a lot more to complete a quest at a certain level because the mobs come in packs if you dont really watch it or sometimes you have no control. Taking Rifts down is somewhat fun .. The economy is blah- no one is buying anything on the ah ( or at least my server).. It's something else to do for a bit but I don't ever see myself leaving WOW totally for RIFT. They can't even offer guilds a guild bank! /sigh There are only certain places to do certain crafting and since there isn't flight points it can become a P. I. T. A .. And even if you are a level 17 like myself, running through a set of level 8 mobs, they will still knock you off your mount. High and lows on that game ..
Just my .02 ( not like it's worth a lot)
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I am going to ban the next one of you guys who attacks the other guy, for 1 week.
About time.
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Rift's classes are awesome. If you like alts you will definitely enjoy Rift. It's just another mmo though so nothing special about it. At least its polished. I can see it playing for six months before getting bored. Cataclysm is just plain boring imo.
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I am going to ban the next one of you guys who attacks the other guy, for 1 week.
Why am I not allowed to say that?
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GutterSludge posted:
st0rmie posted:
Arcilite, if you'd done a better job than this with your troll account, you wouldn't have had to post in this thread on your main to try to stir it up further.
It's Korrigan's troll account.
That is redundant.
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Rift just proves that a lot of us are sick of WoW and we want a good, competant game to replace WoW with.
That may be true for the most part but I don't think it's about a competent game to replace WoW I think it's just something new and fresh to replace WoW. Perhaps something to take our minds away from WoW for a bit until Rift becomes stale and we go back to WoW.
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Yes WOW has met its match..I predict rift has 10million subs by April and wow is down to 1million
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Rift has proven to me that I am tired of the genre. What I was sick of in WoW is present in Rift. Rift is a good game, not bashing it, but I learned my problem with WoW has carried over.
I need a complete break entirely. Rift is just not different from WoW enough (IMHO).
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Yes WOW has met its match..I predict rift has 10million subs by April and wow is down to 1million
Hehe... I hope for you that you didn't bet real money on that
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Yes WOW has met its match..I predict rift has 10million subs by April and wow is down to 1million
Now this is a prime example of internet fanboyism taken to it's logical extreme. I hope all of the trolls are taking notes, as this sets a new standard for them all to strive for.
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Seems more like fanboi-ism so blinded by love that it fails to notice obvious sarcasm.
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Blizzard is killing WoW and a lot of people are leaving and lots have left already, Rift came out at a perfect time and will pick up a pretty good amount of those players. Rift is worth the 49 bucks just to try out and see if you like it.
I for one got tired of playing world of hotfixes and am enjoying my time in rift atm =)
I wouldn't bash rift too much if they do come out with content at a faster pace which they claim they can lots of folks are going to stick with it.
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Yes WOW has met its match..I predict rift has 10million subs by April and wow is down to 1million
Now this is a prime example of internet fanboyism taken to it's logical extreme. I hope all of the trolls are taking notes, as this sets a new standard for them all to strive for.
^^clueless 
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Fedup23 posted:
chipolteguy posted:
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Yes WOW has met its match..I predict rift has 10million subs by April and wow is down to 1million
Now this is a prime example of internet fanboyism taken to it's logical extreme. I hope all of the trolls are taking notes, as this sets a new standard for them all to strive for.
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Rift is wow with a different skin.
It's the same goals.
Carrot chase to get gear. Once you get the gear they will make it obsolete. Do instances.. Do raids.. schedule raids. Take up specific nights.
I don't see anything innovative enough to switch to. The things i'm tired of in wow.. are the same in Rift.
Perhaps my time in mmorpgs is coming to an end. I'm not young enough to be fooled or turn a blindeye to what is similar game dynamics. And I'm getting too old to enjoy putting the time in to create the alt backups that i would normally create.
I'll stay with wow. Not because I see rift as a bad game. I just see it as a close copy of wow. Maybe i'm jaded. who knows.
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Seems to me that many of the players simply enjoy the Level 1 to Max Level grind. New content, new mechanism, and new experiences are kind of refreshing.
But the fundamental of MMORPG has always been the end-game grind no matter which game you choose.
If you think WoW's end game of 10-12 hours of weekly raid or 10-12 hours of weekly Arena/BG is bad, wait till you experience some of the other grind-based MMO that requires you to put in at least 20 hours a day to stay competitive at the end game -- essentially, if you don't bot, or involved in some real-money-transaction (RMT) in those games, you may as well quit the game once you hit max level.
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Exodus_The_Mage posted:
Seems to me that many of the players simply enjoy the Level 1 to Max Level grind. New content, new mechanism, and new experiences are kind of refreshing.
But the fundamental of MMORPG has always been the end-game grind no matter which game you choose.
If you think WoW's end game of 10-12 hours of weekly raid or 10-12 hours of weekly Arena/BG is bad, wait till you experience some of the other grind-based MMO that requires you to put in at least 20 hours a day to stay competitive at the end game -- essentially, if you don't bot, or involved in some real-money-transaction (RMT) in those games, you may as well quit the game once you hit max level.
You have me curious.
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Troll acc, yeah - but it´s still a viable topic (although many already gnawed on it to the bone).
"we're not in azeroth anymore" 
Yeah. Those wacky ads.
Reminds me of that "Why play in a World of Wait".
I think that was some addon for EQ2 referring to the 40man runs.
Are there more like those? While we´re at it... :P
Everybody - meaning non-wow MMOGs - have been taking a stab at WoW all the time. Beats me if it is a marketing tactic or simply some "IP prejudice" (prejudism, idk if this word exist).
While WoW is a commercial success, I would never personally say it is "the best" as many do say that Ultima Online and Daoc oldschool = zee best times ever (ymmv).
About Rift? I see it as others do.
It´s a WoW clone - BUT it combines that bit of PQ from Warhammer and some twist-n-mix specs/subclass from Baldur´s Gate or FFXI (roughly). The game is most certainly not the brainchild of the genre regarding its mimicry, but it is doing something for a community that Blizzard has been teasing with.
Okay, the last sentence is probably not well expressed - but I think we can agree on the many "conspiracies" that Blizzard/Activision following some doctrine as in "How low can we go with that limbo bar?".
In my opinon, there was so much that could have been done with WotLK.
As for now, Cataclysm really shows the dumbdown at its best. Note that I could be tossing ymmv everywhere since the reality shows everybody on OFs not saying a word about dumbdown but it is noticeable that the "dumbdown" is there.
That is why I like CCP/Eve Online more. It builds up on the previous content. There are fails, too, every now and then but it does not produce ghost cities like in WoW.
In fact, I´m surprised we still haven´t seen some Blizz bluepost POV on mmo-champ stating anything about "We know people say we are dumbing things down but blablabla". Imo, I think Blizzard doesn´t even know about that aspect as people just seem to eat what they get.
Why should they, anyways - they should still have a ~11million strong subscriber pool or not?
I´m actually surprised that they did not file some lawsuit regarding all the obvious plagiarism from Rift (there are way too many stolen things ^^, if you ask me) -- but I´m just a grunt.
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I´d be more vibrant and mouthy but lastly I´d just be some talking $-symbol grunt who plays on EU - so it is even more that they wouldn´t give a fffffffffruit.
Speaking of grunt, I am sooooooooooo looking forward to running around as an IG grunt or Greenskin in that upcoming War40k MMOG. Ironically, I could care less if that were a wow or a Mythic warhammer:age of rofling-clone like Rift. Heck, even it would be some AoC-Gaute fail award -- War40k as an MMOG would just be awesome.
back OnTopic.
I will be watching Rift from afar with my binoculars but I am intending to buy it in the future.
I do have the ~45Euros but my eyes are wandering more towards the recently released "Dawn of War II: Retribution".
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Whats Rift?
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Playing Rift atm, and enjoying it. It's nice to finally have something different then WoW. Oh and it's soo nice not missing Wow. I'm however still waiting on SWTOR. Now if Rift comes out with DAOC type end game PVP, then I could see myself being a subscriber for a very long time.
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Groove, I think I agree with most of your points but your diction makes my brain hurt.
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I know, huh .
German is making my english rusty and kaputt.
Sucks when you don´t have many people to talk to in english ^^. Sucks to be meeeee ?
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Heh...your Engrish is better than my Deutsch.
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I find it funny that every game is a WoW clone yet Blizzard copied pretty much every mmo there is.
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Blizzard didnt copy per se but took all the ideas from MMOs and expanded on them and combined it all into one place. Rift was fun for my during the beta events but no time to currently play them. Ill pick it up in May or when a free trial comes out
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There is always going to be a comarison to WoW no matter what comes out. It's been the most inovative. Can you honestly think of an MMO that does the exact same thing as WoW (a successfull MMO) that does things the exact opposite of WoW?
No.
Other MMOs are going to have elements of other MMOs in them. That's just life.
IF you think Rifts is going to be the thing to get you off the BLizzard teat...you need to switch genres.
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I find it funny that every game is a WoW clone yet Blizzard copied pretty much every mmo there is.
Wow invented video games.
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There is always going to be a comarison to WoW no matter what comes out. It's been the most inovative. Can you honestly think of an MMO that does the exact same thing as WoW (a successfull MMO) that does things the exact opposite of WoW?
No.
Maybe I'm reinforcing your point, but that seems like an impossible request. WoW basically takes anything recognizable, mutates it, and then builds a quest/fluff item/achievement/dungeon out of it. I mean, as fun as it was, the only thing new was the well-crafted and customizable engine/UI. WoW is to MMOs what DOOM was to first-person shooters: a significant tech evolution.
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There is always going to be a comarison to WoW no matter what comes out. It's been the most inovative.
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I mean, as fun as it was, the only thing new was the well-crafted and customizable engine/UI. WoW is to MMOs what DOOM was to first-person shooters: a significant tech evolution.
qft. I´ve always been hoping for a better engine for Daoc. WoW release blew me away with its clean flow of animations and movement.
It is hard to say if Rift really is a decent opponent to WoW since it is a clone. We´re pretty much trading one poison for another .
Imo, Rift is the "wrong" game to be considering a true opponent.
Games like GW2 would be more like it, because it is based on a different concept rather than copypasting stuff 1:1.
Personally, Rift is worth playing for those who have been playing WoW way too long (like me). I hope they will improve those stiff animations, although deep within, I doubt they will.
Grr, almost saved up the cash.
DoWII: Retribution or Rift, daaaaayum.
I went through the class listing in Rift and I did slobber ^^ but then I saw the multiplayer vids with all the tactical gimmicks of DoWII. DOH!
Can´t make up my mind now.
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There is always going to be a comarison to WoW no matter what comes out. It's been the most inovative.
(awesome pic, Kayfabe ^^)
I think he just means that WoW is the median-line of whatever. You could bring out any game and it will always be compared to WoW.
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But I got tired of them both.
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Rift has proven to me that I am tired of the genre. What I was sick of in WoW is present in Rift. Rift is a good game, not bashing it, but I learned my problem with WoW has carried over.
I need a complete break entirely. Rift is just not different from WoW enough (IMHO).
I think this is where I am at this point.
My WoW guild is pretty large and members are leaving WoW wholesale in favor of Rift. I just canceled my WoW sub but I have no yet bought Rift. I am just burned out on killing elves I guess.
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I have a number of friends at work the left wow and none are playing rift. blizzard is doing a good job of driving people away all by them self. rift is lucky cause they will pick up some of those driven away.
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In my opinon, there was so much that could have been done with WotLK.
/agree. As I've said here before, they could have easily squeezed 20 levels each out of Outlands and Northrend had they chosen to do so. As it stands now with both BC and WOTLK areas, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to bother with at least 50% of the content in those expansions simply because you can outlevel them so quickly.
I realize that my point of view on this isn't shared by everyone, particularly those who detest the MMO "grind," but for me the "grind" is fun. I like experiencing the content while at the same time feeling as though I am progressing. Just doing the content for the sake of doing it, ie, running Wailing Caverns at level 60, isn't fun to me. In that regard, despite the stuff I got to experience I still feel somewhat ripped off by both of those expansions. $40 is way too much to charge for content that can be completed in mere weeks. IMHO.
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As for now, Cataclysm really shows the dumbdown at its best. Note that I could be tossing ymmv everywhere since the reality shows everybody on OFs not saying a word about dumbdown but it is noticeable that the "dumbdown" is there.
Agreed again, and this goes back to my previous post. $40 for an expansion that gives you 5 additional levels? Really?
And before the flames arrive: It's not that I can't afford it. It's that it simply wasn't (isn't) worth it. Not when you can spend a few dollars more and get a completely new game.
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That is why I like CCP/Eve Online more. It builds up on the previous content. There are fails, too, every now and then but it does not produce ghost cities like in WoW.
This is my biggest gripe with every WoW expansion, though admittedly I'm not sure how to fix it.
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$40 is way too much to charge for content that can be completed in mere weeks. IMHO.
I suppose you killed all the raid bosses too (not heroic mode, since it's more of the same only harder, but normal mode)?
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And before the flames arrive: It's not that I can't afford it. It's that it simply wasn't (isn't) worth it. Not when you can spend a few dollars more and get a completely new game.
Mmhh it's not clear here... did you buy Cataclysm, or are you just judging it without even having seen it?
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$40 is way too much to charge for content that can be completed in mere weeks. IMHO.
I suppose you killed all the raid bosses too (not heroic mode, since it's more of the same only harder, but normal mode)?
Once I sat down and started doing it, I was 85 within a few days. I didn't do every raid boss, no. Whether or not I personally completed it has no bearing on the fact that plenty of people have and the expansion is, what, 3 months old?
There have been plenty of times when I actually stopped to smell the roses in order to feel like I was getting my money's worth.
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And before the flames arrive: It's not that I can't afford it. It's that it simply wasn't (isn't) worth it. Not when you can spend a few dollars more and get a completely new game.
Mmhh it's not clear here... did you buy Cataclysm, or are you just judging it without even having seen it?
Yes I bought Cataclysm. I'm sorry if my assessment hurt your feelings. Really, I am. Hopefully it doesn't detract from your fun. You're still l33t @ WoW brah!
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Once I sat down and started doing it, I was 85 within a few days. I didn't do every raid boss, no. Whether or not I personally completed it has no bearing on the fact that plenty of people have and the expansion is, what, 3 months old?
Point being, you complain the expansion is too small when you didn't do all the content of it... thanks for clearing that up. It's a bit like complaining at the restaurant that you don't get enough food for your money even if your plate is still half full.
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Yes I bought Cataclysm. I'm sorry if my assessment hurt your feelings. Really, I am. Hopefully it doesn't detract from your fun. You're still l33t @ WoW brah!
There's no feeling problem, I was just double checking if you really played it before dismissing it, since it wasn't clear at all in your previous post. Thanks for clearing that up too. And no, it doesn't detract from my fun at all, to the opposite. Sorry for not answering the last sentence, I only read and write English, German, French, and some Spanish and Italian.
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How can a person complain about conent when we haven't even got to patch 4.1 yet?
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[quote=Ashmaele]Once I sat down and started doing it, I was 85 within a few days. I didn't do every raid boss, no. Whether or not I personally completed it has no bearing on the fact that plenty of people have and the expansion is, what, 3 months old?
Point being, you complain the expansion is too small when you didn't do all the content of it... thanks for clearing that up. It's a bit like complaining at the restaurant that you don't get enough food for your money even if your plate is still half full.
Actually a better analogy would be complaining about the lack of items on the menu at the restaurant. You don't have to try everything on the menu to point out that there isn't a lot too choose from.
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If anything, Rift made me appreciate Blizzard's quest system more. I was a bit "burned out" with it, but once you leveled one character through Rift's content and small cramped world, you realize how superior WoW's leveling content is and always was.
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Don't level strictly through quests in Rift, problem solved.
And I don't see how WoW does anything different with quests. It's all the same BS, except in WoW you get to shoot a cannon or some s**t on occasion. 
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Don't level strictly through quests in Rift, problem solved.
Because grinding rifts brings so much variety... ah yeah, the advertised fake "dynamic world", where once the rift (aka random mob spawn point) is gone, nothing has changed. Very dynamic indeed. Even Anarchy Online, a very old game now, has a more dynamic world than Rift, with its "Notum Wars". At least there, parts of the world really change hands when guilds conquer them, and then guild can extract the resources until another guild eventually attacks and takes over. The world durably CHANGES due to player actions. That's a dynamic world - and not random monster generators spawning at predefined spots on the map, which are just another form of spawn points, nothing less, but also nothing more, since once they are gone, the world is still exactly like it was before they spawned.
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And I don't see how WoW does anything different with quests. It's all the same BS, except in WoW you get to shoot a cannon or some s**t on occasion.
It's pretty obvious to people who leveled in both games. LOTRO too has way better quests than Rift, by the way, not only WoW.
My opinion is that in a couple of months, Rift will be just another Warhammer, with a core fan base playing but most having left for something else (including their previous game). Unless Trion have a major ace up their sleeves, which I doubt.
The answer is to the OP title question anyway.
Did WoW finally meet it's match?
Definitely not, not even remotely close.
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as others have said.
It's burnout on the genre.
People try the new shiny thing in hopes that it's something different.
I honestly don't think there is much else that can be done in the fantasy realm. And by that I mean; innovation.
Can create new worlds.. new skins.. new models. But it's the really the same thing at the core. Kill X mobs. FedEx quest. Raid for gear. Raid next instance for better gear. Expansion pack makes everything before it obsolete. Chase the carrot.
Many of us older farts have seen the mmo evolution over the last 20 years. And let's be honest. Evolution has stopped or at the best.. slowed to a crawl.
And if you aren't growing.. you're dieing.
Will mmos just appeal to people for 5-6 years or so and then each person moves on to something else? maybe.
That's my problem anyway. Burnout on the genre. Makes me and it seems others more critical of what we play as time has passed.
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I predict that as usual, people will screw with rift for 1-3 months, then 90% of those enjoying the diversion will be done with it. Same old.
I know exactly 1 person who's not even in my guild that preordered rift, didn't do much with the beta, and still hasn't even logged into rift as of yesterday. I reminded her that rift has been live a few days ago and maybe she should log in and check it out.
What is kind of sad is that rift has a decent amount of hype yet threads like this happen...or you see ads for rif with "we're not in azeroth anymore" - because even the rift team can't stop thinking about WoW.
^^ Not sure this is going to be the case with Rift. The ability to redefine your characters playstyle at any given moment, as well as the possibility of decent Opvp gives the game longer legs than you think.
The jury is still out obviously, but I think Rift has a real shot to have a better showing than the failures that came before it (AoC, WAR, Aion).
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The ability to redefine your characters playstyle at any given moment, as well as the possibility of decent Opvp gives the game longer legs than you think.
It was one of the reasons I didn't stick with it at all. If you can just be whatever you want more or less whenever you want, it really reduced, for me, any attachment whatsoever to my character. I needed character differentiation.
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It was one of the reasons I didn't stick with it at all. If you can just be whatever you want more or less whenever you want, it really reduced, for me, any attachment whatsoever to my character. I needed character differentiation.
And I have once again to agree with BK (it's quite often lately). By wanting to be everybody, you end being nobody. It's already bad enough in WoW and the double specs, but it's pushed to the limits in Rift.
Of course, it's praised by the "fed with silver spoon" kind of players for whom the constant dumbing down of MMORPGs is supposed to be "progress".
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Once I sat down and started doing it, I was 85 within a few days. I didn't do every raid boss, no. Whether or not I personally completed it has no bearing on the fact that plenty of people have and the expansion is, what, 3 months old?
Point being, you complain the expansion is too small when you didn't do all the content of it... thanks for clearing that up. It's a bit like complaining at the restaurant that you don't get enough food for your money even if your plate is still half full.
why are you having such a hard time with the concept of value?
the value of something is a constant, not dependant on my current usage/completion.
if one game has 3 months content for $40 and another has 1 year of content for $50, the $50 one is a better value. regardless of whether i've spent 3 months playing yet.
if i need 1 apsrin, should i buy 2 of them for $1 or 25 of them for $5?
and... after i take 1 apsrin, the bottle of 25 is still a better value even though i haven't completed the 2 i bought for $1
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You mean - you didn't figure out how WoW's progression works after 3 expansions?
Nothing I can do for you then...
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why are you having such a hard time with the concept of value?
the value of something is a constant, not dependant on my current usage/completion.
if one game has 3 months content for $40 and another has 1 year of content for $50, the $50 one is a better value. regardless of whether i've spent 3 months playing yet.
if i need 1 apsrin, should i buy 2 of them for $1 or 25 of them for $5?
and... after i take 1 apsrin, the bottle of 25 is still a better value even though i haven't completed the 2 i bought for $1
that's one of the worst analogies i've seen in a while.
horrible.
and also for the record. Value is never a constant. It's perception based with many different variables that also change. Time being the biggest.
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It was one of the reasons I didn't stick with it at all. If you can just be whatever you want more or less whenever you want, it really reduced, for me, any attachment whatsoever to my character. I needed character differentiation.
And I have once again to agree with BK (it's quite often lately). By wanting to be everybody, you end being nobody. It's already bad enough in WoW and the double specs, but it's pushed to the limits in Rift.
Of course, it's praised by the "fed with silver spoon" kind of players for whom the constant dumbing down of MMORPGs is supposed to be "progress".
^^ Read much? At no point did I say I approved or disapproved of any of the games features, I simply pointed out reasons why the game may have longer survivability than others have argued. You may not like those features, but the masses may very well.
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The_Korrigan posted:
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It was one of the reasons I didn't stick with it at all. If you can just be whatever you want more or less whenever you want, it really reduced, for me, any attachment whatsoever to my character. I needed character differentiation.
And I have once again to agree with BK (it's quite often lately). By wanting to be everybody, you end being nobody. It's already bad enough in WoW and the double specs, but it's pushed to the limits in Rift.
Of course, it's praised by the "fed with silver spoon" kind of players for whom the constant dumbing down of MMORPGs is supposed to be "progress".
^^ Read much? At no point did I say I approved or disapproved of any of the games features, I simply pointed out reasons why the game may have longer survivability than others have argued. You may not like those features, but the masses may very well.
^^ Read much? I didn't see anything that said they were speaking of your specific approval or disapproval. Seems like you jumped the gun on being defensive.
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Demorak posted:
Don't level strictly through quests in Rift, problem solved.
Because grinding rifts brings so much variety... ah yeah, the advertised fake "dynamic world", where once the rift (aka random mob spawn point) is gone, nothing has changed. Very dynamic indeed. Even Anarchy Online, a very old game now, has a more dynamic world than Rift, with its "Notum Wars". At least there, parts of the world really change hands when guilds conquer them, and then guild can extract the resources until another guild eventually attacks and takes over. The world durably CHANGES due to player actions. That's a dynamic world - and not random monster generators spawning at predefined spots on the map, which are just another form of spawn points, nothing less, but also nothing more, since once they are gone, the world is still exactly like it was before they spawned.
Demorak posted:
And I don't see how WoW does anything different with quests. It's all the same BS, except in WoW you get to shoot a cannon or some s**t on occasion.
It's pretty obvious to people who leveled in both games. LOTRO too has way better quests than Rift, by the way, not only WoW.
My opinion is that in a couple of months, Rift will be just another Warhammer, with a core fan base playing but most having left for something else (including their previous game). Unless Trion have a major ace up their sleeves, which I doubt.
The answer is to the OP title question anyway.
Did WoW finally meet it's match?
Definitely not, not even remotely close.
Well considering they been retail for a week now and doing a pretty big patch this friday which is also adding in content I think personally they are on the right track they also said they would be announcing this week also info about there next update and all they plan to add.
If they keep on things,keep adding content in in a timely manner there is really no reason why they will have such a huge drop off as WAR or AoC did.WAR failed imo due to the lack of PVE and what lil they did had sucked.
Will Rift be the WoW killer? No.I don't think any game came come out to kill WoW.People will tire of playing it after 6 years and will migrate to other games but WoW will always have a good core base I am sure in the millions for alot more years.
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I'm sure I read a post wrong somewhere with someone claiming that Rift was dumbed down. I guess that's the latest generic insult? I haven't found a popular MMO in the last decade that wasn't "dumbed down" in one way or another.
Did WoW finally meet its match? I sincerely hope not. I would not want to see Rift have the same "success" issues.
Do I want Rift to be a niche game like LotRO? No. I hope it never devolves down into a costume parade on the official forums.
Will Rift turn into Warhammer? Too early to tell. The devs seem to be a lot more on top of their game and disciplined. They listen to input but don't act on all of it. At least for now.
If they actually manage to insert RvR and/or DF into the endgame, it could be a very happy sandbox for a lot of players for longer than 6 months. That has a lot of other issues associated with it, that is not the focus of this thread.
Will WoW eventually die? Who knows. EQ still seems to be going. Blizzard is following the same economic pattern as its biggest predecessor (see: theory of Cataclysm Expansion attriting current players in favor of potentially attracting new ones.)
Mark Twain's famous quote comes to mind.
I find the thought of WoW's purported "death" to be "greatly exaggerated". <liptwitch>
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When one uses "sandbox" do describe "rift" (or LOTRO, or WOW, or DAoC...), I just have to 
Rift (LOTRO, WOW, DAoC, etc...):
Ultima Online:
Both can be fun, but the design is completely different.
Oh, and another little "nerdish" quote about WoW's supposed death...
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Hit level 22 in Rift last night. I am really enjoying the game and will be sticking with hit much past the other WoW alternatives I have tried (LOTR, Aion, Warhammer).
I thought the rifts and invasions would get boring after a while, but not so. Lost track of time last night going from rift to rift in Stonefield and looked at the time and realized that 3 hours had gone by. That hasn't happened to me since WoW. I was just having too much fun.
I don't know what it is about this game that makes me want to keep playing it. I think it isn't one big thing, but a combination of many smaller things. Class and spec variety, rifts, nice dungeon design, well designed world, streamlined questing experience, artifact collecting, public groups, PvP and PvE gameplay variety. Everything adds up to a very fun experience, even if it isn't all 100% original.
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Hit level 22 in Rift last night. I am really enjoying the game and will be sticking with hit much past the other WoW alternatives I have tried (LOTR, Aion, Warhammer).
I thought the rifts and invasions would get boring after a while, but not so. Lost track of time last night going from rift to rift in Stonefield and looked at the time and realized that 3 hours had gone by. That hasn't happened to me since WoW. I was just having too much fun.
I don't know what it is about this game that makes me want to keep playing it. I think it isn't one big thing, but a combination of many smaller things. Class and spec variety, rifts, nice dungeon design, well designed world, streamlined questing experience, artifact collecting, public groups, PvP and PvE gameplay variety. Everything adds up to a very fun experience, even if it isn't all 100% original.
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I am playing Rift still yet I find myself taking more breaks from it throughout the day then I did with WOW. Of course- a lot of that is because Rift is constantly going down for something. People complain about WOW being down on Tuesdays- well Rift goes down a lot .. Could be because its new and they are still working out the kinks.. Its a fun different game but I really dont see how people wouldnt get bored after 6-9 months of it.
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I am playing Rift still yet I find myself taking more breaks from it throughout the day then I did with WOW. Of course- a lot of that is because Rift is constantly going down for something. People complain about WOW being down on Tuesdays- well Rift goes down a lot .. Could be because its new and they are still working out the kinks.. Its a fun different game but I really dont see how people wouldnt get bored after 6-9 months of it.
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Same kind of arguments about RIFTS were made when AOC/WAR/AION were new. Seriously, broken record.......
If folks like it because its new thats cool, if folks are bored with WOW and want to leave thats cool. Just don't say its innovative or ground breaking and is going to steal away from WOW millions, when its still brand new and hasnt proven itself. When its had 5 years to percolate and several million customers then you can gloat. Otherwise its just too soon to declare victory.
PS. CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF TO ALL THOSE LEAVING WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am playing Rift still yet I find myself taking more breaks from it throughout the day then I did with WOW.
I hope I am not reading this right and assuming you play video games all day long..and just take breaks?
...is this the norm.. are you people online all the time?
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Can we just get AC3? AC1 updated to newer technology. They can replay the story from day one and it would be better than the tripe we have in the current games. I gave RIFT a chance during beta but the world is too small. The thought of leveling an alt with no deviation or variety to the same point as my main kept it off my shelf. WOW's problem is that the game mechanics are wholly changed for something I do not want to play. I thoroughly enjoy WOW until I hit Cata content, then as I watch my characters hit points go up by 10k at times just breaks it for me.
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Kind of wish I saved money on Rift. I haven't played an MMO that much in the past few years so I figured I'd see what all the hype is about. Right away I'm just doing a bunch of fedex and kill quests like every other game, and my health never drops below 90%. I assumed games would have more to offer at this point, but it feels like I've already played this game a billion times. Turned off all the tips and didn't read any of the tutorials and I still know how to do everything.
Going to play a bit more over the month, but so far I don't get the hype. It's well made and solid from a technical stand point, it's just boring.
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Kind of wish I saved money on Rift(...)
Same here. It was barely worth the money.
I found myself doing some dailies in WoW today and actually enjoying it more than Rift, and ended also doing a couple of heroics on alts with some friend's alts.
I will eventually play a bit more, but the game is already on the same way than Conan, Warhammer, etc... => the way to the trashcan.
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I love RIFT. The class variation is just off the scales. My tank has a pet that attacks lol how cool is that!
Wow is dead to me because its just too old for me now as an mmo. Even though RIFT copied a lot of the good things in many mmo's including wow at least its different.
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goldielocks2009 posted:
I am playing Rift still yet I find myself taking more breaks from it throughout the day then I did with WOW.
I hope I am not reading this right and assuming you play video games all day long..and just take breaks?
...is this the norm.. are you people online all the time?
Actually for her, yes. Sorry Goldie.
She's a stay at home wife with no children. When we met, two years ago, she would burn through 30 levels in a day. I think she had 3 or 4 85's. But that's because there are some clases she won't play.
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I am playing Rift still yet I find myself taking more breaks from it throughout the day then I did with WOW.
I hope I am not reading this right and assuming you play video games all day long..and just take breaks?
...is this the norm.. are you people online all the time?
Actually for her, yes. Sorry Goldie.
She's a stay at home wife with no children. When we met, two years ago, she would burn through 30 levels in a day. I think she had 3 or 4 85's. But that's because there are some clases she won't play.
LOL But remind the people that I get all my chores done that is needed Plus I have a husband who wont let me work so basically I have NO life here. LOL The only class I won't play is a warrior. I do take breaks I watch tv and such.. I have a clean house, animals are taken care of, I go shopping and I even find time to visit friends outside of my state.. So.. Yeah.. here I am trying to explain that it isnt as bad as what I wrote.. /sigh! And ICole- I never burned 30 levels in one day! Now I can because of how easy they made leveling when your guild gets the extra perks along with boa's.. Wow 2 years .. Dang.. I need to find a hobby! LOL
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To be honest, playing MMORPGs is not a more silly leisure activity than building miniature golden gate bridges using matches, collecting stamps, watching TV for hours every day, or similar crap.
You make a BIG mistake trying to justify your "real life" to the VN board trolls, goldie... most of them are not better, if not worse than you. Don't let them in - just ignore them when they try to do that.
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SO true Kor Thanks!
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Always funny to see geeks picking on geeks, as if there are levels to the geekdom. We are all posting on a online forum!
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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
Always funny to see geeks picking on geeks, as if there are levels to the geekdom. We are all posting on a online forum!
But.. I'm not a geek
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Sorry.. wasnt trying to troll... 
I dont wanna be a troll.. 
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LOL But remind the people that I get all my chores done that is needed Plus I have a husband who wont let me work so basically I have NO life here. LOL
This is more creepy than funny.
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LOL But remind the people that I get all my chores done that is needed Plus I have a husband who wont let me work so basically I have NO life here. LOL
This is more creepy than funny.
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Awww I didnt mean to creep you out
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LOL But remind the people that I get all my chores done that is needed Plus I have a husband who wont let me work so basically I have NO life here. LOL
This is more creepy than funny.
No Chit.
You aint workin woman..yer stayin home!!..git yer chores done now girl!!
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LOL I wish I could work! ARGHH It does get boring after a while.
I am waiting to fly back from Vegas right now.. So I dont have any chores to do right now < sticking tongue out> But yay, I get to go home and have tons of crap waiting for me to do.. I have chores-- called DAILIES!!! <evil grin>
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Who's winning wow or Rift Fangirls?
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I only say Rift because most of my guildies from WOW are playing RIFT. Kinda boring getting on WOW and talking to myself in guild chat.. I started answering back and knew I was in trouble. Now everyone is waiting for Star Wars game.. /sigh. IT never ends. I am up to my head in games of all types .. I can tell you what game did suck.. DC Universe.. Well I guess it wouldnt suck if it actually would play on my computer. But I watched my husband play and it was way too cartoonish ( Is that a word) ?? LOL for me.
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I may be the only person in the US not caring a whit about the upcoming Star Wars MMO. Probably speaks more to my feelings about the genre than Star Wars itself as I actually liked most of the movies.
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I may be the only person in the US not caring a whit about the upcoming Star Wars MMO. Probably speaks more to my feelings about the genre than Star Wars itself as I actually liked most of the movies.
Nah you're not alone. I couldn't care less either. Zero interest.
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I'm with you guys.. I feel the same way but all my gaming buds that I hang with are going over there and I dont want to be left out of the group. LOL
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I also have several friends who were getting burned out on WoW and wanted to try something new. My preference would have been DC Universe for something completely different and I freaking loved City of Heroes, yet I bowed to the majority and picked up Rift to join them yesterday. My point to posting was that my inital impression was extremely poor. This is without ever getting to the game proper since I couldn't get past patching.
Their patching service was completely missing in action. Nowhere on their forums was there any offical response to an issue that seemed to be pretty much effecting everyone that had not already been patched to current version. In their technical help area I found another potential player, yes, a player, not someone associated with the game or customer service who had figured what they had done with their own patching service that was preventing people from downloading a 1.25 GB patch at more then 1-5kps that frequently timed out into random errors.
Long story short you had to manually edit your Hosts file under Windows in order to get to the direct update service. But to think players are already creating work arounds for game breaking bugs that prevent people from even getting into the game does not speak highly about Trion's long term future in the MMOG universe.
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I may be the only person in the US not caring a whit about the upcoming Star Wars MMO. Probably speaks more to my feelings about the genre than Star Wars itself as I actually liked most of the movies.
Nah you're not alone. I couldn't care less either. Zero interest.
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I may be the only person in the US not caring a whit about the upcoming Star Wars MMO. Probably speaks more to my feelings about the genre than Star Wars itself as I actually liked most of the movies.
Nah you're not alone. I couldn't care less either. Zero interest.
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I can add 4 more people to that list. If I hadn't heard about it on the WoW board (this thread and the original Rift thread here from the same poster no less), we would have had no clue that another star wars themed game was coming out. Isn't this like the 3rd, if you count Lego's version?
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http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/taral-v-developer-walkthrough
I'm definitely gonna play that one.
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That trailer was helpful. Before, I was pretty sure I didn't want to play Star Wars, now I am 100% sure.....
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That trailer was helpful. Before, I was pretty sure I didn't want to play Star Wars, now I am 100% sure.....
Hahaha! I was thinking the same thing.
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Perfect - two more reasons for me to play it
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Perfect - two more reasons for me to play it
Oh don't say that, you might give me a reason to play it so I can grief the hell out of you.
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Oh don't say that, you might give me a reason to play it so I can grief the hell out of you.
The chances we end on the same server are... infinitesimal, or even non-existent since I play from Europe, and I definitely won't disclose the server I play on anyway. So please, help yourself, and I thank you in advance in the name of Bioware and Electronic Arts for supporting their game with your subscription
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Oh don't say that, you might give me a reason to play it so I can grief the hell out of you.
The chances we end on the same server are... infinitesimal, or even non-existent since I play from Europe, and I definitely won't disclose the server I play on anyway. So please, help yourself, and I thank you in advance in the name of Bioware and Electronic Arts for supporting their game with your subscription
Oh god, there's no way I would play on a European server. Not with the head-stuck-up-the-ass attitude most of you guys seem to have.
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Perfect - two more reasons for me to play it
But, that aside... the game looks technically exceptional, but besides the advances in computer power, and being sci fi instead of fantasy, what was the difference between that video and, say, Diablo 2? Or Guildwars?
In fact, in what way is this game a mmorpg at all?
That doesn't make it a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. But I am quite tired of games telling me what to do, and what I can do, in the game. These "individual story based mmos" don't seem to understand the greatest strength of being an mmorpg - letting the PLAYER make the story (or at least being one of the people involved in making it).
Where is the effort to advance the technology to allow more freedom for the players and giving them content to match? Yeah, it's harder, but its also infinitely more rewarding.
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I may be the only person in the US not caring a whit about the upcoming Star Wars MMO. Probably speaks more to my feelings about the genre than Star Wars itself as I actually liked most of the movies.
Nah you're not alone. I couldn't care less either. Zero interest.
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slythetove posted:
Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
I may be the only person in the US not caring a whit about the upcoming Star Wars MMO. Probably speaks more to my feelings about the genre than Star Wars itself as I actually liked most of the movies.
Nah you're not alone. I couldn't care less either. Zero interest.
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I'm in the middle, excited but couldn't care less if it bombs. Movies are epic
and sadly they are better than the first 3 prequel movies, maybe George Lucas should have used Biowares writers.
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But, that aside... the game looks technically exceptional, but besides the advances in computer power, and being sci fi instead of fantasy, what was the difference between that video and, say, Diablo 2? Or Guildwars?
As an aside to what Broken was saying, the game looked very personally instanced early on, and previously MMO gamers haven't embraced that style for MMOs. In fact, they've been quite jaded by games that personally instance or phase too much, ime.
It could work, and I think phasing and instancing is the way to go for online games, but the coding is delicate, and I think when you go too far in separating players from enjoying a world where they regularly see and/or interact with their fellow players, it just doesn't work as an online game for most people.
I'm not saying swtor does that necessarily or doesn't have that in mind, as I haven't read a ton of background info on its development, just that the vid made it look somewhat like Guildwars. And I have to wonder if GW would see what popularity it does have if it had a monthly fee. Also, STO comes to mind. Then again, it is Bioware too. We'll see. 
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flashpoints, are these just another name for instanced encounters? will this be another instance based one like star trek was?
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flashpoints, are these just another name for instanced encounters? will this be another instance based one like star trek was?
It's more like WOW's instances. Flashpoints aren't raids though, it's 4 man instances. Yes, not 5, 4, even more accessible for small family groups.
Planets will have large explorable areas (aka non-instanced). Alderaan alone is approx. 8 to 9 WoW zones large, and there are a ton of planets in the game (17 to be precise). Do the multiplication, and SW:TOR could very easily reveal having way more explorable non-instanced areas than WoW.
Another important thing to mention, Flashpoint can also happen on planets that aren't among the 17 explorable ones, like on the video where you actually travel to the planet where action happens. Kinda like "off-world dungeons".
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Players will get tired of "exploring" very quickly when they are in massive zones full of the same scenery over and over and over and over....
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Well considering ~10,000 people had their accounts hacked in Rift before the first month is up, due to poor security on Trion's end, I'd say WoW has nothing to worry about.
I certainly don't want to resub after the first month after having my character stripped to his undies, his money and bags pilfered. Yeah, it's like that.
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Spookysheep posted:
Players will get tired of "exploring" very quickly when they are in massive zones full of the same scenery over and over and over and over....
Depends on how its presented. If it feels too gamey, ie the mobs don't move, are set out in an obvious patterned layout, and with a clear level gradient (like almost all WoW zones), then yeah people get bored fast. Mobs that wander, rare (some unique) 'landmarks' that people will tend to congregate around, and with some unpredictability or at least significant differences between mobs, set out in a way that makes sense in a world point of view, and you might see a different story.
Might, not will, though, as it depends greatly on other factors.
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_Taebo_ posted:
Well considering ~10,000 people had their accounts hacked in Rift before the first month is up, due to poor security on Trion's end, I'd say WoW has nothing to worry about.
I certainly don't want to resub after the first month after having my character stripped to his undies, his money and bags pilfered. Yeah, it's like that.
Yikes they took your gear also? I got hacked and should have mentioned they did leave the on character items and the bags. So for this game, basically I could play but would like my stuff and cash back. ;p
If I had been stripped bare I would have quite, pretty certain on that, if I couldn't have played.
Several days now and no restore.
Good luck though. That stinks.
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