Conceited posted:

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-Boss fights were often made harder, not easier. Usually by fixing some exploit people were using to avoid a key mechanic.

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st0rmie posted:

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Conceited posted:

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-Boss fights were often made harder, not easier. Usually by fixing some exploit people were using to avoid a key mechanic.

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There have been a number of these recently. You probably didn't notice because they were fixed before anyone but the top guilds in the world were attempting the fights. e.g. there was a positioning exploit on Atramedes, there was Guardian Spirit abuse on fights with damage-splitting mechanics like Maloriak, there was a change to heroic Nef to break the druid-stacking approach that got the world first kill, there was an Atonement nerf to stop it trivializing fights with damage buffs like heroic Halfus..

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-Limiting Blackrock Spire to 15 people, as guilds were doing this in large raids to make it simple. Later lowered to 10. Then they just turned it into a 5man because they had made the place so easy.

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Ugh_Lancelot posted:

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-Limiting Blackrock Spire to 15 people, as guilds were doing this in large raids to make it simple. Later lowered to 10. Then they just turned it into a 5man because they had made the place so easy.

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If you think making BRS a 5-man instead of 15-man made the place easier, you must have never pugged it while it was a 15-man. I cannot count the times people would initiate pulls that were bad and caused pain (blacksmith, whelps shelf) and/or wipes. Back then, even with 15 people you'd still end up with one, maybe two healers, a tank or two and 12+ DPS. Not to mention hunter pets lagging off the spans and aggroing the stuff below you causing people to get stuck in-combat.

Or are you saying raids are easier than 5-mans?

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Zero_Washu posted:

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There is nothing wrong with making the game easier, it means it becomes more accessible. What some people see as making the game easier others write off as 'that is not something I cared about or affects me'. What broke the game has been gear inflation which got way out of hand in BC by allowing everyone and their kid brother to obtain arena gear that was greatly unbalancing with little effort. I had some pieces on a few characters simply because it was simple to get and in many cases near bis. The stuff lasted almost to 80 for some slots.

Come Wrath and they simply went ballistic with the loot. Numbers became so great as to become silly. Spell power on items nearly doubled from the beginning of Wrath till its end, crit values for many geared people were in excess of 50% if not a lot higher when in a raid setting. It was as if the GM came along with a D&D loot manual and said "take what you want" and lets go. Monty Hall all the way.

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st0rmie posted:

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-Boss fights were often made harder, not easier. Usually by fixing some exploit people were using to avoid a key mechanic.

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There have been a number of these recently. You probably didn't notice because they were fixed before anyone but the top guilds in the world were attempting the fights. e.g. there was a positioning exploit on Atramedes, there was Guardian Spirit abuse on fights with damage-splitting mechanics like Maloriak, there was a change to heroic Nef to break the druid-stacking approach that got the world first kill, there was an Atonement nerf to stop it trivializing fights with damage buffs like heroic Halfus..

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Ugh_Lancelot posted:

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Conceited posted:

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-Limiting Blackrock Spire to 15 people, as guilds were doing this in large raids to make it simple. Later lowered to 10. Then they just turned it into a 5man because they had made the place so easy.

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If you think making BRS a 5-man instead of 15-man made the place easier, you must have never pugged it while it was a 15-man. I cannot count the times people would initiate pulls that were bad and caused pain (blacksmith, whelps shelf) and/or wipes. Back then, even with 15 people you'd still end up with one, maybe two healers, a tank or two and 12+ DPS. Not to mention hunter pets lagging off the spans and aggroing the stuff below you causing people to get stuck in-combat.

Or are you saying raids are easier than 5-mans?

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