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Bashiok posted:
Portals existed to give people access back to capital cities to reach auction houses and class trainers. Auction houses and class trainers were kept in the old world capitals because we knew that if we didn't require people to go back the old world would be a ghost town.
Those portals had a few fun side effects like letting people warp all around the world toot-sweet at the shake of a nose to do anything they felt like. This was not the intent of the portals and regardless if people enjoyed being able to zip around, it is not the intent of our travel as it exists now to allow them to do so.
Now that the old world capitals are the major hubs in the current expansion, the expansion zones are in Azeroth which keeps more people around, and we've decided to add trainers and auction houses to Shattrath and Dalaran to aid in the leveling experience, the portals no longer serve their original purpose and were removed.
(...) We have no plans to implement the old portals back in the game, but thank you for you reasons as to why they should. They've been noted.
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(...) We have no plans to implement the old portals back in the game, but thank you for you reasons as to why they should. They've been noted.
I was going to comment on this portion, but it appears that the blue guy edited it out.
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Arrogant blizzard strikes again.
I so hope RIFT and GW2 and Star Wars put such a huge dent in wow's population that everyone on the current staff gets fired 
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Never mind the fact that in LOTRO there is swift travel options which are VERY convenient. No horse riding for ages on end like the flights in WoW take. And all the looping around for some of the connecting flights is SUCH a waste of time. Would love to smack the hell out of the person that designed those!
Never mind the fact that by taking out the portals, Blizzard just increased my away from keyboard time while I travel to wherever I wanted to go...thereby making me lose interest in playing again. I'm back until my 3 month sub runs out, and then I think I will likely cancel again.
Blizzard does all that it can to drive away the casual players. Boredom is the biggest culprit. Stop boring us, Blizzard!
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It's stupid to artificially induce travel delays when you've already invalidated the usefulness of the actual world with the LFG tool.
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Kutrina_Draggon posted:
Blizzard does all that it can to drive away the casual players.
This could not be further from the truth. The game is custom made for casuals which is why it is so popular. I have never understood the rage (not saying the quoted poster here is raging mind you) following the portals removal. Travel is still quick and simple for anyone that played prior to Wrath. City to city transport, Blasted Lands, and Outlands portals still provide rapid travel if you know where to go. /shrug
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Well, I think what they should do is add a portal to allow someone to travel to Shattrath and Dalaran in the main cities as a compromise, since Outlands and Northrend are fast becoming no man's land themselves. Make it one way so that only people who really want to go there can. Taking the boat to Northrend, at least to Howling Fjord sucks because it takes the boat a long time if you miss it.
Kind of sad and ironic that Dalaran's truly become a "city of mages" because only mages can go there easily. Who cares if they have a trainer there, peeps are going to head back to SW/Ogrimmar anyway. At least we can port to Blasted lands if we need to travel to Outland.
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeellooooooooooooo Dalaran rings? Argent Tourney Tabbard?
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/siiiiiiigh
I miss portals. I really do. I can get TO Dal and Shatt just fine, it's gett BACK that's annoying when your hearth is down. And I have to re-write all my guides as I go :P
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Urk_VN posted:
Well, I think what they should do is add a portal to allow someone to travel to Shattrath and Dalaran in the main cities as a compromise, since Outlands and Northrend are fast becoming no man's land themselves. Make it one way so that only people who really want to go there can. Taking the boat to Northrend, at least to Howling Fjord sucks because it takes the boat a long time if you miss it.
Kind of sad and ironic that Dalaran's truly become a "city of mages" because only mages can go there easily. Who cares if they have a trainer there, peeps are going to head back to SW/Ogrimmar anyway. At least we can port to Blasted lands if we need to travel to Outland.
This, taking out the portals means that NO ONE will ever go there gain.
More stupidity by blizzard.
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Vault_News posted:
<img src="http://vnmedia.ign.com/wowvault.ign.com/images/news/news_cata.png" align="right"><a href="http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1965621410?page=5#98">Bashiok</a> posted:<br><blockquote><font color="0099FF">Portals existed to give people access back to capital cities to reach auction houses and class trainers. Auction houses and class trainers were kept in the old world capitals because we knew that if we didn't require people to go back the old world would be a ghost town.<br><br>Those portals had a few fun side effects like letting people warp all around the world toot-sweet at the shake of a nose to do anything they felt like. This was not the intent of the portals and regardless if people enjoyed being able to zip around, it is not the intent of our travel as it exists now to allow them to do so.<br><br>Now that the old world capitals are the major hubs in the current expansion, the expansion zones are in Azeroth which keeps more people around, and we've decided to add trainers and auction houses to Shattrath and Dalaran to aid in the leveling experience, the portals no longer serve their original purpose and were removed.<br><br>(...) We have no plans to implement the old portals back in the game, but thank you for you reasons as to why they should. They've been noted.</blockquote></font><br /><br />Posted from <a href="http://wowvault.ign.com">WoW Vault</a>
This is a commercial decision. Pure and simple.
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"This was not the intent of the portals and regardless if people enjoyed being able to zip around,"
OMG people are enjoying some of our content, quick remove it.
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I have a mage as my main toon and I still think this is complete crap. My lower toons spends hours of game play running from one place to another. I think that having a Dranei and having to basically go through hell to get to SW just to be at a capital city is the worst mistake blizz ever made. Druid's have port to moonglade but why the hell would you, so you can spend 30 mins trying to get back to civilization. Blizzard has made it so that no one wants to go to parts of this game. Silithus is one of them isolated, crap loot and boring quests.
Now WoW is still fun to play. . . on my mage, but making it so that mages have to port you everywhere is annoying. I hate getting hit up for ports constantly when I am focused on something, I feel obligated to stop and port them cause Blizzard has made this so horrible for them.
There ARE ways of getting around this so that people will not use the portals all the time. why not let Mages or Inscriptionists either or create Scroll of Teleportaion: Dalran or what ever city. They would be sellable in the AH, you could make them unusable until the character had been to the city for the first time. There! everyone gets their ports, Blizzard keeps ppl from flitting about as you would make it somewhat expensive to make and sell these and mages wouldn't be stopped every 30 seconds getting asked for portals. Come on Blizz use your noodle you are a bright group.
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I don't need a straight port from city to city, but there definitely needs to be more faster travel options... like more boat routes or something similar to the tram. I don't like that SW is the hub for everything now.
Getting to or from Dalaran or Shatt is a pain now - especially if you're in Darnassus or anywhere in Kalimdor.
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IndridCole posted:
Heeeeeeeeeeeeellooooooooooooo Dalaran rings? Argent Tourney Tabbard?
LOL are you serious! The cost and time of all that just to get to a city that there is no purpose in going to! Come one "Think" BEFORE you speak.
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CowboyPhil posted:
Come one "Think" BEFORE you speak.
I'm trying to make sense of this sentence with the typo in it and I just can not do it.
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Dalaran Ring is 8,500 and the Tourney tabard, which I have on 2 characters is a long grind if you haven't started that stuff yet.
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Spookysheep posted:
Arrogant blizzard strikes again.
I so hope RIFT and GW2 and Star Wars put such a huge dent in wow's population that everyone on the current staff gets fired
Me too!
That mega complacent behemoth really needs a wake up call and get rattled right down to its foundation.
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I'm sorry but wtf? seriously. It was never intended to be used as short travel procedures/ Then why in the blue hell did they allow it for SO many years and just now come to this conclusion? It's bullcrap, just like the excuse for the Real ID crap they gave originally before they finally came out with the truth about it being a partnership with facebook.
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Vault_News posted:
toot-sweet
Are you serious...
Blizzard hiring sixteen year olds as its blue posters nowadays?
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what is blizzard thinking, when this happens it just means another dead spot in the game.
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I'm sick of Wow but I am telling you right now all these mmo's that are going to be coming out are going to SUCK period and then there will once again only be wow.
Blizzard knows this. They can do whatever they want.
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It's easier than ever to travel around nowadays. Anyone in a semi-decent guild has now a hearthstone on 15 minutes CD, too. At 85, you have a crapload of portals in SW and ORG that take you all over the world. You get mounts and flying mount earlier than ever.
But I guess some need something to cry about.
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_Warlucky_ posted:
"This was not the intent of the portals and regardless if people enjoyed being able to zip around,"
OMG people are enjoying some of our content, quick remove it.
LOL ironic
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Some of you people crack me up.
WoW is one of the easiest MMORPGs to get around in. The short flights are nothing...on rare occasions you even do them. I guess if you're doing archeology, you might be flying a lot. Too bad, it's part of the time sink for effortless boa epics (time != effort).
The one point I do agree with is that with DF and queues, little need of using summoning stones, and all that, it's odd to limit/remove the hub ports. You can also port to/from almost every new zone. WoW is largely designed around speeding up everything, convenience, and removal of tedium. The only reason I can think of for sticking with hub removal is to prevent shortcutting of archeology travel. Just another reason archeology sucks. :P
There are now more FPs than ever so you can get around ridiculously fast while leveling. Not to mention leveling is so organized and linear now that you don't need to leave zones til you level out of them, so I don't see how anyone could complain about flight in regards to leveling.
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Voqar posted:
Some of you people crack me up.
WoW is one of the easiest MMORPGs to get around in. The short flights are nothing...on rare occasions you even do them. I guess if you're doing archeology, you might be flying a lot. Too bad, it's part of the time sink for effortless boa epics (time != effort).
The one point I do agree with is that with DF and queues, little need of using summoning stones, and all that, it's odd to limit/remove the hub ports. You can also port to/from almost every new zone. WoW is largely designed around speeding up everything, convenience, and removal of tedium. The only reason I can think of for sticking with hub removal is to prevent shortcutting of archeology travel. Just another reason archeology sucks. :P
There are now more FPs than ever so you can get around ridiculously fast while leveling. Not to mention leveling is so organized and linear now that you don't need to leave zones til you level out of them, so I don't see how anyone could complain about flight in regards to leveling.
Which is why it is so Absurd that they removed the portals. Travel is so stupid easy in this game, what exactly did they add to the experience by removing them? It is a minor irritant.
Ok I get to set on my flying mount or the wind rider to get to org to conduct my business.
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The only thing I find annoying about the portal changes (I have a Kirin Tor ring) is because for some idiotic reason I have to go to Dalaran to trade ink.
I understand they want everyone to see the pretty new cities they've built, and that current content can be reached from SW/Org. Makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that in order to use current crafting mats, I have to go back an expansion and visit a ghost town.
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The only thing I find annoying about the portal changes (I have a Kirin Tor ring) is because for some idiotic reason I have to go to Dalaran to trade ink.
I understand they want everyone to see the pretty new cities they've built, and that current content can be reached from SW/Org. Makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that in order to use current crafting mats, I have to go back an expansion and visit a ghost town.
Good point.
I actually don't mind the travel overall. My only complaint is when it comes to dailies.
Leveling in Northrend, it makes the most sense to hearth in Dalaran as it is centralized, has banks, AH, etc. I enjoy doing the cooking and fishing dailies offered there as well. HOWEVER, I also like to do the cooking and fishing dailies in Shattrath and Orgrimmar. It takes a long time to do the Dalaran dailies, make my way to Org, do those dailies, then to Shatt, do those then back to Dalaran to level my Northrend-level guy.
As someone else said, getting from Org/SW to pretty much anywhere is fairly simple. It's getting back that's a bit of a PITA.
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Eh. Why should mages have the ability to port people? Hell, why do we even have mounts? Why not just walk everywhere in the beautiful new paradise?
It's just a manner of convenience. Sort of like uh, I don't know, hunters not having to USE AMMO any more. Or items that stack to 20 or more. Hate things designers do just to make the game inconvenient.
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Basically Blizzard needs to stop taking stuff away from us. This entire expansion has been about them taking away. It's especially annoying because they took it away on purpose knowing full well it would annoy us. I mean, what is that about?
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Basically Blizzard needs to stop taking stuff away from us. This entire expansion has been about them taking away. It's especially annoying because they took it away on purpose knowing full well it would annoy us. I mean, what is that about?
If you were to ask  , he would tell you it's about making the elite awesome and the casuals their laughing stock.
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I still don't understand the game design decision for those portal removals. Players already level way too fast to bother doing many quests in those places, unless they're going for the loremaster achievement. And a lot of those quests require multiple people, so good luck trying to get help for most of them if you don't have an active and friendly guild or friends to help. Sure, a cata-geared player can solo those elites, but some quests specifically require 5 people (such as the ogrila pre-req quests).
I had a guildmate ask for help for ring of blood. Another guildie was willing to help if they could be summoned there, but he was a DK. I decided to help on my pally, but I had to spend a few minutes flying there, but I could've easily have just said no as well.
Getting to Uldum when you first get the quest to go there takes a long time now via boat or flight path. If you still have easy access to Dalaran, you could then take the portal there to caverns of time, but if not, you're hoofing it buddy.
So again, I think this was a poor design decision. Why give players something that they find extremely useful and makes the game fun for them, only to then be like "oh sorry, our bad, we don't want the game to be fun for you". In the rare instances where I do take a flight path route, I always do something else, whether it's to use the bathroom, watch some tv, or surf the web. I don't really care for the scenic routes that the flights take anymore.
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Urk_VN posted:
some quests specifically require 5 people (such as the ogrila pre-req quests).
Nope, no longer. You can do them solo now. It has been changed quite a while ago.
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Kutrina_Draggon posted:
And all the looping around for some of the connecting flights is SUCH a waste of time. Would love to smack the hell out of the person that designed those!
This x infinity. Last week I noticed that I need to complete a few old quests in Camp Winterhoof, Howling Fjord. I jumped on the flight to Winterhoof, which proceeded to take me PAST Winterhoof, looped around Vengeance Landing, then BACK to Winterhoof. WTF?
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Ashmaele posted:
Kutrina_Draggon posted:
And all the looping around for some of the connecting flights is SUCH a waste of time. Would love to smack the hell out of the person that designed those!
This x infinity. Last week I noticed that I need to complete a few old quests in Camp Winterhoof, Howling Fjord. I jumped on the flight to Winterhoof, which proceeded to take me PAST Winterhoof, looped around Vengeance Landing, then BACK to Winterhoof. WTF?
Lol, I noticed this too in some of the old world flights. I was trying to get to burning steppes from SW before I had flying, and the flight for some reason went way into burning steppes, then double backs towards my destination. Uh, mr. gryphon, wouldn't it of been faster just to go to burning steppes?
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"No horse riding for ages on end like the flights in WoW take. And all the looping around for some of the connecting flights is SUCH a waste of time. "
Just consider that flight times now are faster than they used to be. Remember when flying from Dark Shore to Gadget left you in danger of afk/logging out?
I do agree that flights should still see a time reduction.
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Oiy. I remember when you STOPPED at each flight point. Like you landed and had to talk to the flight master again to take the next leg of your journey. And how some flight paths didn't connect everywhere. So you could end up going to Astranaar with the intention of going to Stonetalon from there...only you couldn't fly to Stonetalon from there, you can only fly to Stonetalon from Auberdine or Nijel's Point in Desolace.
Looking back, wow's travel is easier than it used to be but it definitely could use some work pre-old world flight training.
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Rill_of_WE posted:
Oiy. I remember when you STOPPED at each flight point. Like you landed and had to talk to the flight master again to take the next leg of your journey. And how some flight paths didn't connect everywhere. So you could end up going to Astranaar with the intention of going to Stonetalon from there...only you couldn't fly to Stonetalon from there, you can only fly to Stonetalon from Auberdine or Nijel's Point in Desolace.
Looking back, wow's travel is easier than it used to be but it definitely could use some work pre-old world flight training.
Hey I'm not arguing that it isn't easier than it was in the "good ole days." The consensus appears to be that it was stupid, then they pulled their heads out of their asses and made it easy, only to make it difficult again in the name of, um, why did they do it again?
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They took the portals out so the mailbox dancers in the two capital cities would have bigger audiences - that's it, end of story, everything else is a cover up to hide that 99% of those dancers are Blizzard employees and everyone of them are attention-whores.
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