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Subject: Dev's broke the Ret Pally to cover their own butts?
I maybe late to the boat on this but if what I was told is correct the WoW development team have sunk to an all time low.

It is no secret that Ret Pallies have by far and away the lowest DPS in the game right now but it is why that has me ticked off beyond belief.

What I was told is that the Dev's were getting a lot of heat about the que times and the lack of heals and tanks that were causing it and were told to in no uncertain terms to do something about it or else. So they did, but not by making healing or tanks better or more fun to play. Instead they took one of the most popular classes the in the game the Paladin and broke its Ret tree making it virtually unplayable in order to force people whom play that class in to heal or tank roles.

If true, and the Ret tree is so broken it can't be an accident, these jackals for all intents and purposes deliberately manipulated their customer base to protect their own butts!

I don't know about anyone else but being used as a puppet to protect someone else's job that should have been terminated long ago just makes blood shoot out of my eyes.

 

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Subject: Dev's broke the Ret Pally to cover their own butts?
You should play a Ret Pally before ranting on it so you know what you're talking about.

I haven't played my Ret Pally in a long time so I'm not going to comment on it but if I had to pick an overpowered class pre Cat, it was the the Ret Pally.

The devs have commented that they never intended for Pallys to be one man armies.

 

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Subject: Dev's broke the Ret Pally to cover their own butts?
What the eff are you talking about? The retadin isn't broken, it just isn't stupidly overpowered like it was. Go look at world of logs. The overly exceptional DPS, which the devs are nerfing with this PTR, are Unholy DKs and Survival Hunters.

Sorry you can't roll your face on the keyboard and break 10k anymore.

 

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Subject: Dev's broke the Ret Pally to cover their own butts?
Heiro is pretty well dead on with that.

Ret pallies were retardedly overpowered pre-Cat, matter of fact ALL talents of the pally were OP. I'm GLAD they've been nerfed.

 

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I dont think the Devs have sunk to a new low.. I think you have sunk to a new low by pulling that tripe out of your ass..

Id love to be a fly on the wall and see where you "heard" such nonsense. Probably the paperboys theory or something. laugh

The Dev were probably on the grassy knoll too.

No offense though man. Keep it real! peace

 

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A conspiracy requires more than one participant. Ghostcrawler acted alone, from the tower in the lore depository. Get ahold of yourselves.

 

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Subject: Dev's broke the Ret Pally to cover their own butts?
Flesh_Wound posted:
A conspiracy requires more than one participant. Ghostcrawler acted alone, from the tower in the lore depository. Get ahold of yourselves.


This is begging for a photoshop of the crab holding a nerfbat in the tower...

 

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Subject: Dev's broke the Ret Pally to cover their own butts?
Ret pallys dont do bad DPS. A well geared/played one will do very nice and comparable DPS. This is unlike WoTLK when you could pull top spot DPS in a 5-man with greens/some blues. It was never supposed to be this way in the first place. Now they are decent.


If you want to complain, go play a Sub Rogue in PvE. My DPS blows but...I love the spec so, whatever.

 

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heiromancerdrackus posted:
What the eff are you talking about? The retadin isn't broken, it just isn't stupidly overpowered like it was. Go look at world of logs. The overly exceptional DPS, which the devs are nerfing with this PTR, are Unholy DKs and Survival Hunters.

Sorry you can't roll your face on the keyboard and break 10k anymore.


Yeah... no. Retadins are the worst hybrid in the game. They are not the worst dps in the game but they are the worst hybrid in the game.

http://www.stateofdps.com/

So what the eff are you talking about?

As to the conspiracy theory... no. Retadins suck because retadins suck.

 

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Yeah... no. Retadins are the worst hybrid in the game. They are not the worst dps in the game but they are the worst hybrid in the game.




actually according to that link elemental shamans are.

not that it matters. this post is moot. retadins were very overpowered in wrath. they are now mediocre on the dps charts rather than at the top of them. plenty of other classes, even dps specific classes, come in under them on dps. so while people might bitch that their class is nerfed there is absolutely nothing to back up the claim that they're the worst dps right now and plenty of information that proves otherwise.

 

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Name me an MMO that has ever actually achieved true balance. (All DPS = DPS , All healers = healers, all Tanks = tanks) you cant do it.

If there were no such thing as dmg meters or nerds that wasted the time scouring logs, anything inside of a 25% variance in DPS would be trivial to most.

The days of play the class that you enjoy are gone. Its the "I have to be at the top" mentality that is ruining it for yourselves.

Ret Pali's are middle of the pack DPS.. so what. Ive seen great ones excel and I have seen average ones be average.

Both groups went great without a hitch. The only difference between the 2 is that the latter didnt get to spam the recount stats and dislocate his arm patting himself on the back.

Someone has to be at the top and some have to be at the bottom.. is it that hard to get?

 

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_Kewk_ posted:
heiromancerdrackus posted:
What the eff are you talking about? The retadin isn't broken, it just isn't stupidly overpowered like it was. Go look at world of logs. The overly exceptional DPS, which the devs are nerfing with this PTR, are Unholy DKs and Survival Hunters.

Sorry you can't roll your face on the keyboard and break 10k anymore.


Yeah... no. Retadins are the worst hybrid in the game. They are not the worst dps in the game but they are the worst hybrid in the game.

http://www.stateofdps.com/

So what the eff are you talking about?

As to the conspiracy theory... no. Retadins suck because retadins suck.


I was looking at world of logs. I've yet to see anything besides a template on that website. Maybe it just isn't Chrome friendly.

 

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GrimTempest posted:

actually according to that link elemental shamans are.

not that it matters. this post is moot. retadins were very overpowered in wrath. they are now mediocre on the dps charts rather than at the top of them. plenty of other classes, even dps specific classes, come in under them on dps. so while people might bitch that their class is nerfed there is absolutely nothing to back up the claim that they're the worst dps right now and plenty of information that proves otherwise.


The link shows that retadins are directly under elemental.

heiromancerdrackus posted:

I was looking at world of logs. I've yet to see anything besides a template on that website. Maybe it just isn't Chrome friendly.


It is perfectly chrome friendly. It just doesn't agree with you so you disregarded it.

 

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eh...depends on if you go by the median or the overall numbers i guess. its pretty close anyway.

at any rate i think they can't call themselves the worst when pure dps specs like rogues combat and both marksman and beast spec hunters, just to name a few, fall below them on overall dps.

they're in the area of "needs a little love" but they aren't broken.

 

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GrimTempest posted:
eh...depends on if you go by the median or the overall numbers i guess. its pretty close anyway.

at any rate i think they can't call themselves the worst when pure dps specs like rogues combat and both marksman and beast spec hunters, just to name a few, fall below them on overall dps.

they're in the area of "needs a little love" but they aren't broken.


I put them in the realm of a good pally can beat a bad lock >_<

 

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Meh, if you played a pally since vanilla (and ret - which back then was a joke), you shrug it off and roll with it, because Blizz loves to fiddle with them, not sure what their role is from major patch to expansion to major patch... Yeah, Ret was OP in LK. Apparently it's not now. Another round, another nerf/buff cycle. If you love the class, you play it. Next?

PS: I thought the latest theory about Blizz dev's CYA was telling customers exactly how to play, not breaking classes? <straightface>

 

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Unfortunately ret dps is pretty low and it doesn't help you need to bust your ass just to get decent dps. Ret mechanics right now is not fun at all. I don't allow retgimps in my group ever because their dps sucks.

 

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Sociop posted:
I maybe late to the boat on this but if what I was told is correct the WoW development team have sunk to an all time low.

It is no secret that Ret Pallies have by far and away the lowest DPS in the game right now but it is why that has me ticked off beyond belief.

What I was told is that the Dev's were getting a lot of heat about the que times and the lack of heals and tanks that were causing it and were told to in no uncertain terms to do something about it or else. So they did, but not by making healing or tanks better or more fun to play. Instead they took one of the most popular classes the in the game the Paladin and broke its Ret tree making it virtually unplayable in order to force people whom play that class in to heal or tank roles.

If true, and the Ret tree is so broken it can't be an accident, these jackals for all intents and purposes deliberately manipulated their customer base to protect their own butts!

I don't know about anyone else but being used as a puppet to protect someone else's job that should have been terminated long ago just makes blood shoot out of my eyes.


This post, like every other you've made to date, is so filled with idiocy I don't even know where to begin insulting you.

 

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heiromancerdrackus posted:
What the eff are you talking about? The retadin isn't broken, it just isn't stupidly overpowered like it was. Go look at world of logs. The overly exceptional DPS, which the devs are nerfing with this PTR, are Unholy DKs and Survival Hunters.

Sorry you can't roll your face on the keyboard and break 10k anymore.



It is if there is any grain of truth to what you read about Rets posted on the official forum.

It is if those whom were " face rolling 10k" on their keyboards at 80 are barely doing 2k at 81.

It is when you consider most that still play that tree have to use an add-on to tell them what to cast to generate any meaningful DPS because of its all over the board WHACK-A-MOLE type of rotation priorities.

 

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Sociop posted:
heiromancerdrackus posted:
What the eff are you talking about? The retadin isn't broken, it just isn't stupidly overpowered like it was. Go look at world of logs. The overly exceptional DPS, which the devs are nerfing with this PTR, are Unholy DKs and Survival Hunters.

Sorry you can't roll your face on the keyboard and break 10k anymore.



It is if there is any grain of truth to what you read about Rets posted on the official forum.

It is if those whom were " face rolling 10k" on their keyboards at 80 are barely doing 2k at 81.

It is when you consider most that still play that tree have to use an add-on to tell them what to cast to generate any meaningful DPS because of its all over the board WHACK-A-MOLE type of rotation priorities.




If you are doing 2k at 81 with a ret pally, you need to stop playing the ret pally. Please.

 

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Also, keep in mind that Ret is getting some changes in 4.06, especially with changing the Mastery mechanic from the "whack a mole" proc to a percentage increase in holy damage dealt.

Pallys as a whole are still a great class. I personally can live with middling DPS in Ret in exchange for good tanking and healing specs.

 

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It's interesting how many people want their class to "do it all". I think I shall start bitching about how poorly my Rogue heals......

 

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It's interesting how many people want their class to "do it all". I think I shall start bitching about how poorly my Rogue heals......


Riiiiiight, that's exactly the same thing. Last I saw, you weren't able to spec into being a resto rogue.

 

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Subject: Dev's broke the Ret Pally to cover their own butts?
siujoey posted:
Sociop posted:
heiromancerdrackus posted:
What the eff are you talking about? The retadin isn't broken, it just isn't stupidly overpowered like it was. Go look at world of logs. The overly exceptional DPS, which the devs are nerfing with this PTR, are Unholy DKs and Survival Hunters.

Sorry you can't roll your face on the keyboard and break 10k anymore.



It is if there is any grain of truth to what you read about Rets posted on the official forum.

It is if those whom were " face rolling 10k" on their keyboards at 80 are barely doing 2k at 81.

It is when you consider most that still play that tree have to use an add-on to tell them what to cast to generate any meaningful DPS because of its all over the board WHACK-A-MOLE type of rotation priorities.




If you are doing 2k at 81 with a ret pally, you need to stop playing the ret pally. Please.


I would actually say to quit WoW altogether! It takes an incompetence never before imagined to be that bad.

 

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_Kewk_ posted:
GrimTempest posted:

actually according to that link elemental shamans are.

not that it matters. this post is moot. retadins were very overpowered in wrath. they are now mediocre on the dps charts rather than at the top of them. plenty of other classes, even dps specific classes, come in under them on dps. so while people might bitch that their class is nerfed there is absolutely nothing to back up the claim that they're the worst dps right now and plenty of information that proves otherwise.


The link shows that retadins are directly under elemental.

heiromancerdrackus posted:

I was looking at world of logs. I've yet to see anything besides a template on that website. Maybe it just isn't Chrome friendly.


It is perfectly chrome friendly. It just doesn't agree with you so you disregarded it.


No, smart ass, it really didn't work for me when you first posted it. There was no data, just a template, as I said in your original thread.

http://vnboards.ign.com/world_of_warcraft_general_board/b19789/114284701/p2/?33

^There you go.

 

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I have to make a slight amendment to my previous post. I can live with middling DPS, however I would REALLY like to know at least what kind of rotation/priority I should be using, because right now I am just playing "whack a mole" and running around in circles o.0

 

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Can't have ret paladins doing the best dps.

They have the best defensive cooldowns in the game. Giving a class that has great defensive abilities super dps as well was just plain idiotic. There has to be a trade off somewhere. If they are lower on the totem pole... well they should be.

They needed to ramp them down in LK and never did.

Or in the absence of nerfing damage they could have created some kind of lore thing where if you chose ret you lost the ability to bubble. Which would have met with even greater outcries of dismay.

 

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