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As I've mentioned, when I resubbed for Cata I started over on a new server, new toon, leveling from scratch and really enjoying it so far.

Unfortunately, I'm leveling too fast!

I'm playing around with a lot of different things... using the RDF has been great fun, I've been queuing for AB, plus doing lots of quests waiting for the queues. By combining all this stuff, I'm leveling out of a lot of content I haven't gotten to yet. Gradually I started getting ahead of the quest chains. First a green quest here and there in my log, next thing I know, every single new quest I pick up is green, and some have turned grey while I was running around working on them!

I basically had to skip all of Arathi Highlands... as every quest I completed in Wetlands was green, and every mob I was asked to kill was 5-6 levels lower than me. I just skipped straight to Hinterlands.

Never got into Deadmines, and I never got some bracers in BFD that I wanted. I mean, I could go back and do that stuff now still, but its more fun when it means something.

It is better than running out of quests halfway through a level I suppose, but I almost wish they had an '/xp off' command like they have in DAoC now so I could slow things down a little bit on occasion.

I never got to do TBC heroics... I was still doing normals to grind rep and gear up for heroics when LK came out. BAM, everyone's in Northrend leveling all of a sudden, 2 levels in and half my raiding gear was replaced with quest greens. Now I feel like I'll level right past TBC heroics before I am even able to grind the rep... by grinding the rep to do a heroic i will actually level myself beyond the heroic I'm grinding for! I want to do them when I'm in my early 70's, when they're challenging, not come back and do them when I'm 80 or 85 and they're way too easy.

Anyone else experienced this? Does it slow down in the higher levels, or is it going to be like this right through to 80+?

 

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It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.

 

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It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.
Yes that's true, and the fact I plan on making a tank next means I already have plans to do this... but that wouldn't solve the issue with the TBC heroics, because he'd theoretically level out of them before I'm able to grind the appropriate rep too.

 

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It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.


That is how it should be. This gives you options as to how you want to progress. MMO's are not a path from point A to point B, but rather a field to play in. This also means that if you like to level multiple toons, the next time through it'll be a different experience, again, as it should be.

 

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Go turn off your experience gain if you don't want to gain experience.

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Eternal_Midnight posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.


That is how it should be. This gives you options as to how you want to progress. MMO's are not a path from point A to point B, but rather a field to play in. This also means that if you like to level multiple toons, the next time through it'll be a different experience, again, as it should be.
I can see that, yes, but what if I don't like to level multiple toons? I'm leaving out tons of content on the toon I want to experience it with.

That, and your point is only true for quests and things you can just do immediately, it doesn't alleviate the issue of leveling past content that requires pre-grinding, if you will, in order to access it. By taking the steps necessary to access the content, you're in fact leveling past it. Ack, what a conundrum!

Unless, did they remove the rep requirements for TBC heroics, or make it a LOT faster to gain access to them?

I agree that it's not totally a bad thing, I just kind of wish there was an option or ability to slow it down or turn it off, in the event I want to do so. I'm not saying they should tone it down for everybody, for those that want to level up fast to be with other max level friends, or those that like rolling multiple toons. I, at least this time through, would like to "stop and smell the roses" with this character more.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still having a blast. I do plan on rerolling, so the next time through I'll enjoy doing different content... like skipping Wetlands and doing all of Arathi Highlands, or maybe I'll level on Kalimdor (SP?) more than Eastern Kingdom.

It's just something I've noticed is all.

 

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Go turn off your experience gain if you don't want to gain experience.

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Yes, it was an addition they made to basically separate the "twink" crowd.

 

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Yes, it was an addition they made to basically separate the "twink" crowd.
Well then nevermind... the whole discussion is moot.

I probably won't turn it off, at least not right now, but I'm very glad to know that I can!

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EDIT: I apologize for my naivety.

 

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Yes, it was an addition they made to basically separate the "twink" crowd.


Yep, but it didn't work though. Because twinks didn't really want to fight other twinks..they just wanted to roll over less geared people. Blizz made it so that if you queued with XP off, you'd only face other people with XP off, and since that consisted of about 3 people, BGs never popped for those people, and serious twinking more or less died and kind of morphed into heirloomed vs non-heirloomed.

 

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Errtuu posted:
siujoey posted:
Yes, it was an addition they made to basically separate the "twink" crowd.


Yep, but it didn't work though. Because twinks didn't really want to fight other twinks..they just wanted to roll over less geared people. Blizz made it so that if you queued with XP off, you'd only face other people with XP off, and since that consisted of about 3 people, BGs never popped for those people, and serious twinking more or less died and kind of morphed into heirloomed vs non-heirloomed.


Wrong, there weren't enough twinks to go around. Waiting hours in a Q to fight anyone is apain. And frankly as a twink, I loved fighting other twinks. I could tell at glance if they were geared as well as me. I loved fighting other warriors wearing the stuff I was. It was a nice challenge. That may not have been the mentality of the "normal" twinks but just because someone's a twink doesn't mean they like to go smish less geared people. Come on, what is it when a lvl 85 rampages through STV? Oh wait...that's just PvP. My bad!

Ahem....not to side track stuff....

I like the faster leveling. I like being able to choose different zones as I level. I got to hate the westfall to redridge to duskwood to....see where I'm going? Same. Every time. And besides if you do hit 85 with out touching half the content, you can still go back and do it all.

Have to agree with Korrigan's "replayability" comment.

 

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NOTHING is better than being able to completely skip the 50-58 debacle through BG's and LFD!!

 

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i'm stuck at 62, i can BG to 70?

 

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I agree with the "replayability" aspect, for sure. There are still some lowbie zones I've never quested in yet.

Just personally, sometimes I want to finish a questline or keep running an instance for a particular piece of gear or something when it is still useful to me. Saying I can come back when I'm 85 or whatever just doesn't sound fun to me. Also, I didn't want to have to reroll to experience it either. I was just a little disappointed about that happening.

However, I didn't realize they had an Experience Off option, that totally solves the issue for me, and thank you again. I wish it didn't cost me 10g each time, but that's not all that much coinage these days either.

I will continue to spend the majority of my time gaining experience, but its nice to know should the occasion arise that I can turn off exp gain for a while if I want to continue running a particular instance or battleground at a particular level. I'm glad Blizzard incorporated this.

 

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I leveled from 51 to 58 in AV during an AV weekend. It was great. I had some fun in AV and before I knew it I was 58 and going to out land.

 

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I leveled from 51 to 58 in AV during an AV weekend. It was great. I had some fun in AV and before I knew it I was 58 and going to out land.
Woah. I miss AV. Always have liked AV myself.

 

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Cryme posted:
siujoey posted:
Yes, it was an addition they made to basically separate the "twink" crowd.
Well then nevermind... the whole discussion is moot.

I probably won't turn it off, at least not right now, but I'm very glad to know that I can!

/facepalm

EDIT: I apologize for my naivety.


No need to apologize. I'm glad the solution to your problem exists, and if you had not posted this thread you might not have known.

If you decide you want to turn it off a quick Google search for "turn off experience WoW" should point you to information on how to do so.

I have never done it myself, but it can definitely be done.

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Yeah I found it. The guy's in Stormwind (for Alliance anyway) and his name is something like Bestahn Slahtz or something like that when pronounced out loud sounds like "best in slots". Costs 10G each time to turn it on and off.

 

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PallyDog posted:
Errtuu posted:
siujoey posted:
Yes, it was an addition they made to basically separate the "twink" crowd.


Yep, but it didn't work though. Because twinks didn't really want to fight other twinks..they just wanted to roll over less geared people. Blizz made it so that if you queued with XP off, you'd only face other people with XP off, and since that consisted of about 3 people, BGs never popped for those people, and serious twinking more or less died and kind of morphed into heirloomed vs non-heirloomed.


Wrong, there weren't enough twinks to go around. Waiting hours in a Q to fight anyone is apain. And frankly as a twink, I loved fighting other twinks. I could tell at glance if they were geared as well as me. I loved fighting other warriors wearing the stuff I was. It was a nice challenge. That may not have been the mentality of the "normal" twinks but just because someone's a twink doesn't mean they like to go smish less geared people. Come on, what is it when a lvl 85 rampages through STV? Oh wait...that's just PvP. My bad!

Ahem....not to side track stuff....

I like the faster leveling. I like being able to choose different zones as I level. I got to hate the westfall to redridge to duskwood to....see where I'm going? Same. Every time. And besides if you do hit 85 with out touching half the content, you can still go back and do it all.

Have to agree with Korrigan's "replayability" comment.


Sorry to say, because I agree with most of your posts, but you're wrong. There were tons of twinks before the change. The reason the queue took forever is because only a minority were like you. If they had all converted to face other twinks, the queue times would not have been insane.

Agree with you on Korrigan's comment. Given the current state of the game (i.e. I don't want to pug anything right now), I find myself playing alts when my buds aren't available. I just completed Vash'jir for the first time this past weekend happy .

 

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You think that's fast try leveling in BoAs with the exp bump from your guild.

 

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Errtuu posted:
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Yep, but it didn't work though. Because twinks didn't really want to fight other twinks..they just wanted to roll over less geared people. Blizz made it so that if you queued with XP off, you'd only face other people with XP off, and since that consisted of about 3 people, BGs never popped for those people, and serious twinking more or less died and kind of morphed into heirloomed vs non-heirloomed.


Wrong, there weren't enough twinks to go around. Waiting hours in a Q to fight anyone is apain. And frankly as a twink, I loved fighting other twinks. I could tell at glance if they were geared as well as me. I loved fighting other warriors wearing the stuff I was. It was a nice challenge. That may not have been the mentality of the "normal" twinks but just because someone's a twink doesn't mean they like to go smish less geared people. Come on, what is it when a lvl 85 rampages through STV? Oh wait...that's just PvP. My bad!

Ahem....not to side track stuff....

I like the faster leveling. I like being able to choose different zones as I level. I got to hate the westfall to redridge to duskwood to....see where I'm going? Same. Every time. And besides if you do hit 85 with out touching half the content, you can still go back and do it all.

Have to agree with Korrigan's "replayability" comment.


Sorry to say, because I agree with most of your posts, but you're wrong. There were tons of twinks before the change. The reason the queue took forever is because only a minority were like you. If they had all converted to face other twinks, the queue times would not have been insane.

Agree with you on Korrigan's comment. Given the current state of the game (i.e. I don't want to pug anything right now), I find myself playing alts when my buds aren't available. I just completed Vash'jir for the first time this past weekend happy .


/chuckles No reason to be sorry. I think it was more a combo of factors rather than one specific reason or the other. But on my battle group you'd get mostly a max of 5 twinks a BG at any given time in the bracket I was playing. Usually there were only 2 or 3. And that's not enough to make a full BG with.

I was playiing a twink with an "endgame" philosophy. I didn't have the time to fully gear a lvl 70 for PvP. I could however fully gear a lowbie. I've never understood the antagonism towards twinks other than it's a "I'm bitter you killed me" sort of thing. Simply because you find the same sort of problem in end game PvP (Except arenas) of people not being as skilled or not being as geared who are just there to get their dailies done and they're getting slaughtered and it's not fun. So why does it matter what level this is done at?


I still haven't finished Vash or Deepholm. tongue

 

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It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.


Phasing ruins this logic. Completely. Try again.

 

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It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.


Phasing ruins this logic. Completely. Try again.


lol yeah try playing more than 2 characters and see how different your experience is.

 

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Almost leveling too fast...


My new Worgen Warrior is 59 with 1 day /played and that's still too slow! sad

 

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I noticed that it took me the same amount of /played time (give or take a few hours) to get my most recent toon to 80, as it took me to get my first toon in vanilla to 60. Yes, it is comparing apples and oranges, but leveling is a lot faster/better (or more options at least) than in the "old" days.

 

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Errtuu posted:
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Yes, it was an addition they made to basically separate the "twink" crowd.


Yep, but it didn't work though. Because twinks didn't really want to fight other twinks..they just wanted to roll over less geared people. Blizz made it so that if you queued with XP off, you'd only face other people with XP off, and since that consisted of about 3 people, BGs never popped for those people, and serious twinking more or less died and kind of morphed into heirloomed vs non-heirloomed.



Twinks are alive and well in the battlegrounds. I've been leveling an alt through solely PVP and have been having a blast... but the gear disparity is as great as it ever was. The ones who were getting one-shotted before by twinks who didn't level are still getting one-shotted by twinks with shoulder armor.

 

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Arcilite_I posted:
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It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.


Phasing ruins this logic. Completely. Try again.
Too bad you didn't use your brain as much as your fingers when you posted this, and too bad you didn't read what others answered. You'd have known why it's true, and possibly learned something in the process for a change. But of course, as usual, you prefer display your ignorance and trolling abilities.

 

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Uhhh, they're all wrong. It doesn't take much brain power to realize that.

 

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Arcilite_I posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.


Phasing ruins this logic. Completely. Try again.



This.


Not to mention that there are crap tons of people that don't want to level alts, period, so they miss a lot of the supposed "new content" that this xpac claims to have.

 

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The_Korrigan posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
It's not a bad thing for replayability, though.
The next char you level will be able to go through the content you skipped on this one, making your leveling experience totally different.


Phasing ruins this logic. Completely. Try again.
Too bad you didn't use your brain as much as your fingers when you posted this, and too bad you didn't read what others answered. You'd have known why it's true, and possibly learned something in the process for a change. But of course, as usual, you prefer display your ignorance and trolling abilities.
You're both right (or wrong depending on how you look at it).

Although I hear tons of the 80-85 content is phased and linear, which Arcilite suggests, tons of the old content is not, which Korrigan is pointing out.

Since I'm still leveling in the old world at this point... (mid-30s) I'm not phasing hardly at all. I can skip entire zones (like Arathi Highlands) if I want.

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Not to mention that there are crap tons of people that don't want to level alts, period, so they miss a lot of the supposed "new content" that this xpac claims to have.
Although true, that is their decision. There are a lot of things in this game that has been developed that I will never see because I choose not to do it... I don't really see what that has to do with the points Korrigan OR Arcilite made.

 

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To say the oldworld content isn't phased shows you haven't played through it. It is VERY much phased.

 

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To say the oldworld content isn't phased shows you haven't played through it. It is VERY much phased.
I've seen some quests phased, but the content isn't phased to the point that I can't bounce around if I want. I hear much of Cata is phased to the point where you can't progress without completing certain quests in order.

I've skipped entire zones already that I didn't even want to skip, simply because I outleveled the quests there.

 

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All it does is give you an illusion that you have options. In the end you're <insert max level here> and you have very limited options.

 

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Some zones aren't as heavily phased as others, but there is plenty of it to be sure.. I know when the pre cata patch came out with the world changes, I played my Mage and did Swamp Of Sorrows. There was plenty of phasing there, as you completed the "war between 2 towns" quest line, as you completed more quests, you gained ground on the town and eventually took it over.

note* This was from alliance side perspective.

 

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Some zones aren't as heavily phased as others, but there is plenty of it to be sure.. I know when the pre cata patch came out with the world changes, I played my Mage and did Swamp Of Sorrows. There was plenty of phasing there, as you completed the "war between 2 towns" quest line, as you completed more quests, you gained ground on the town and eventually took it over.

note* This was from alliance side perspective.
So, the town is "intended" to be taken over by Alliance, but if you didn't complete the quest line, you'd be constantly phasing into a town in conflict? If you complete the quest line and take over the town, is the town you're now entering not a phase anymore, and just part of the rest of the zone?

Maybe I haven't been part of, or finished, a phased quest line that had such a visible change on the real world yet. I understand the concept of phasing, but I'm still a little confused about the effect it has on the old world that will cause it to be so "fragmented" as Arc puts it. I haven't noticed any fragmentation really, can you provide an example maybe?

EDIT: I'm only up to level 40 on the new cata toon so far, alliance. I've quested in Dun Morogh, Loch Modan, Wetlands, teeny weeny portion of Arathi Highlands, Alterac Mountains, and now I'm in Western Plaguelands (about to go to Eastern). Andorhal is about the only large phase I've noticed so far and I'm not certain I've completed the whole chain yet. I JUST fought Scholo or whatever where the Horde/Alliance generals had some agreement to withdraw, for now.

 

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By fragmented, I mean you're going to be missing out on harvesting nodes, flight paths and even some quest NPC's if you don't do every single quest in the game. There are going to be areas of the world that change drastically depending on if you're 14m away or 15m away.

Phasing is possibly the most cataclysmic immersion destroyer we've ever seen in an MMO.

 

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By fragmented, I mean you're going to be missing out on harvesting nodes, flight paths and even some quest NPC's if you don't do every single quest in the game. There are going to be areas of the world that change drastically depending on if you're 14m away or 15m away.

Phasing is possibly the most cataclysmic immersion destroyer we've ever seen in an MMO.

I like the word choice...

 

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Roll a DK and do the starter quests, that is what is meant by phasing.

 

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By fragmented, I mean you're going to be missing out on harvesting nodes, flight paths and even some quest NPC's if you don't do every single quest in the game. There are going to be areas of the world that change drastically depending on if you're 14m away or 15m away.

Phasing is possibly the most cataclysmic immersion destroyer we've ever seen in an MMO.



I think it adds immersion and takes it away. It does give a feeling of "changing the world" but at the same time if you don't do the quests, or only do half of them in a zone, it does kind of screw things up.

Only thing is, I am not sure of a happy medium (if there is one)for something like this.

 

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i made a druid alt and got to level 35 in a blink. through mostly dungeon runs. u get sick exp AND the best gear available just from doing dungeons and the quests in there. its ridiculous. granted i have +20% exp from heirlooms but thats basically the welfare heirlooms these days.


tanking is a pain though, and thats the spec with 0 queue time. i like healing much better just because its EASY but there is a queue time sometimes for that.

 

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Almost leveling too fast...


My new Worgen Warrior is 59 with 1 day /played and that's still too slow! sad


slow? wow, haha

 

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Nakal posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
By fragmented, I mean you're going to be missing out on harvesting nodes, flight paths and even some quest NPC's if you don't do every single quest in the game. There are going to be areas of the world that change drastically depending on if you're 14m away or 15m away.

Phasing is possibly the most cataclysmic immersion destroyer we've ever seen in an MMO.



I think it adds immersion and takes it away. It does give a feeling of "changing the world" but at the same time if you don't do the quests, or only do half of them in a zone, it does kind of screw things up.

Only thing is, I am not sure of a happy medium (if there is one)for something like this.


There isn't a happy medium. You do every quest in the game or you play in a fragmented world. It's retarded.

 

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There isn't a happy medium. You do every quest in the game or you play in a fragmented world. It's retarded.


And in the process, you level too fast. happy

I spent all afternoon yesterday with my (then) level 76 warrior doing nothing but flying around Howling Fjord mopping up green level 70-71 quests I haven't gotten around to finishing. I got a level and a half from those quests at levels 76-77.5. That sucks IMO.

By the way, if you turn off your XP gain, does that also turn off faction gain?

 

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My new Worgen Warrior is 59 with 1 day /played and that's still too slow! sad


slow? wow, haha


3 days /played at 83 and still slow!

 

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Ashmaele posted:
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There isn't a happy medium. You do every quest in the game or you play in a fragmented world. It's retarded.


And in the process, you level too fast. happy

I spent all afternoon yesterday with my (then) level 76 warrior doing nothing but flying around Howling Fjord mopping up green level 70-71 quests I haven't gotten around to finishing. I got a level and a half from those quests at levels 76-77.5. That sucks IMO.

By the way, if you turn off your XP gain, does that also turn off faction gain?


I don't know for certain, but I don't think so...

 

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4 days /played on my warrior 1-85 and Heroic ready.

 

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I tell you one thing that will give you a different take on leveling speed / zones in the expansion. I will soon have number six at 85. Two went from 80-85 solo, and four went 80-85 grouped as a duo on my two accounts - mostly as a sort of convenience, since it is nothing but the same content over and over and over again.

What is mildly ... no ... very aggravating ... about the duo aspect is that you lose about half the XP per kill of very mob. And, at almost any quest turn-in you are liable to find one toon in one phase and another coming behind. It's not that big a deal, since you get accustomed to where to expect them after a while, and can ESC out of the 1,000th Harrison Jones cut scene.

In my case, it's only an inconvenience to me, but you still look at it and think, "Suppose I had a friend I wanted to level with through this patch" ... you get penalized for grouping as you get less XP (maybe you kill a little faster, but I think that's questionable in the long-run) ... and you also get to kill a few (or many) more mobs for some collection quests.

It is quick and easy, to be sure. But the strictly linear nature of it really gets old after a time.

 

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It doesn't seem to slow down until 77+ ... my problem with the new system is I will be exalted with Darnassus and still neutral with my guild. Doing all the quests I can and staying in LFD my rogue is 36 or 37 and has not even budged her rep meter with the guild.

 

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