-Spacelord- posted:

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VN does the job, for queue and archeology.

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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We've always got the VN.

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SunnyDelight posted:

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Are you complaining?

Because really you only have yourself to blame. Blizzard has no control of how many tanks or healers join the queue, and if you're just going to dps and complain about the queues you might as well just get us to it.

This is why the four classes that I've leveled to 80 (and my main 85) are all classes that can tank. makes it much more enjoyable.

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SunnyDelight posted:

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Are you complaining?

Because really you only have yourself to blame. Blizzard has no control of how many tanks or healers join the queue, and if you're just going to dps and complain about the queues you might as well just get us to it.


This is why the four classes that I've leveled to 80 (and my main 85) are all classes that can tank. makes it much more enjoyable.

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Errtuu posted:

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SunnyDelight posted:

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Are you complaining?

Because really you only have yourself to blame. Blizzard has no control of how many tanks or healers join the queue, and if you're just going to dps and complain about the queues you might as well just get us to it.

This is why the four classes that I've leveled to 80 (and my main 85) are all classes that can tank. makes it much more enjoyable.

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Blizzard is to blame. This is a valid complaint. Yeah, I'm taking troll-bait. For those who don't have fun healing or tanking, this is a real problem. Here's just a few ideas off the top of my head. Sure these aren't quick and easy changes, but there's no doubt Blizzard has the capacity to implement these types of measures.

Make healing/tanking more fun it is fun
Incentivize healers and tanks to pug they do, we get instant queues
6 person (4 dps) group size paradigm as if bosses werent easy enough already.
Allow DPS to do something more constructive while queued on their toon (e.g. queue for PVP/dungeon at same time--during BG or dungeon your queue position moves and when at the top holds a top spot when you exit your current dungeon or BG--OR allow players to be on one toon and queue for another toon--then when it pops it logs in that toon into the dungeon)go farm herbs/ore or do achaelogy while you queue, problem solved

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-Kurasis- posted:

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Make healing/tanking more fun it is fun (FOR A MINORITY OF PLAYERS.)
Incentivize healers and tanks to pug they do, we get instant queues (YAY I GET TO GO TO WORK INSTANTLY. NOT FUN.)
6 person (4 dps) group size paradigm as if bosses werent easy enough already. (MAKE BOSSES HARDER?)
Allow DPS to do something more constructive while queued on their toon (e.g. queue for PVP/dungeon at same time--during BG or dungeon your queue position moves and when at the top holds a top spot when you exit your current dungeon or BG--OR allow players to be on one toon and queue for another toon--then when it pops it logs in that toon into the dungeon)go farm herbs/ore or do achaelogy while you queue, problem solved (RIDDLE OF THE DAY. WHICH IS MORE EXCITING? ARCHEOLOGY OR FISHING? /yawn)

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regulator_cracka posted:

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AH, finally the truth appears.



Another dps entitlement thread.



All dps only players must be only children.


Blizzard should really change the entire game to fit around your leeching off the people doing the real work.

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Trigeminal posted:

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Those who tank don't see the problem.
Those who heal don't see the problem.
Those who only dps are in the middle of the problem.

Groups consist of:
1 tank
1 healer
3 DPS

The WoW population seems to be in the ratio of:
1 tank
2 healer
75 DPS

Once you run out of quests what can dps do? They can roll an alt (another DPS because most people don't enjoy tanking or healing), do crafting, fish or --> stand around in Orgrimmar. Even dailies eventually wear thin because money is not needed and reps are maxed.

I'd say at least let people queue for BGs while they wait. Sure you'd get someone mid BG who drops for an instance run but they'd get instantly replaced by another DPS in the BG queue. Blizzard throw us some sort of bone here.

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Trigeminal posted:

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I've been laughing at regulator_cracka's "logic" for years. Seeing how he doesn't feel dps contribute to groups is no different than arguments he's had in the past.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Those that only play DPS classes are the problem.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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When did I say dps does not contribute?

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regulator_cracka posted:

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Blizzard should really change the entire game to fit around your leeching off the people doing the real work.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Those that only play DPS classes are the problem.

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Trigeminal posted:

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You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunate that the majority of WoW players favor the dps role. Oh well not my game. I'm just a player.

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Trigeminal posted:

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You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunate that the majority of WoW players favor the dps role. Oh well not my game. I'm just the problem.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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Trigeminal posted:

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You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunate that the majority of WoW players favor the dps role. Oh well not my game. I'm just the problem.

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Fixt.


The type of player you are is the only true leech.

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Trigeminal posted:

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regulator_cracka posted:

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Trigeminal posted:

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You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunate that the majority of WoW players favor the dps role. Oh well not my game. I'm just the problem.

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Fixt.


The type of player you are is the only true leech.

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Oh noes!!! I think he's insulting me.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Tanking isn't harder then DPS?

There are a few simple facts that disprove this.

This simple fact that you have to compensate for other player mistakes. (Pulling aggro), and not just worry about your own dps meter means its more difficult.

Second, boss fights. You have to know where to place the boss, turn the boss, move the boss, in some cases even while picking up adds and such. Its harder then staying out of the fire and spamming firebolts.

I could go on.

If you have never tanked and you truly feel that DPS and Tanking require the same amount of effort, then (and I am not trying to insult you here) it just shows how little you are paying attention to actual group mechanics during the encounter.

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Slors posted:

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^^ Nothing about WoW is hard, difficult or challenging. I still find myself looking over at the tv or txting or tabbing out as if cata still had the wotlk ease to it. All they did was boost boss hp, theres still just one mechanic per boss that you have to do or avoid.. same game ppl.

Maybe i should say it can be understandably hard for all those ppl who are complete noobs(WoW is their very first game ever!)

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Slors posted:

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^^ Nothing about WoW is hard, difficult or challenging. I still find myself looking over at the tv or txting or tabbing out as if cata still had the wotlk ease to it. All they did was boost boss hp, theres still just one mechanic per boss that you have to do or avoid.. same game ppl.

Maybe i should say it can be understandably hard for all those ppl who are complete noobs(WoW is their very first game ever!)

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I'm betting you're not healing heroics while watching The Biggest Loser. In fact, I'm betting you play a hunter *or some dps. (No offense Ayla )

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Auenwing posted:

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we do NOT need more players who only play those classes (poorly) in order to get into an instance.

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Elkabong08 posted:

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Auenwing posted:

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we do NOT need more players who only play those classes (poorly) in order to get into an instance.

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This. For the love of gawd, this.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Elkabong08 posted:

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Auenwing posted:

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we do NOT need more players who only play those classes (poorly) in order to get into an instance.

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This. For the love of gawd, this.

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I disagree! All hunters roll priests right now! This will solve the problem!

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Arcilite_I posted:

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it's a f*cking game.

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Trigeminal posted:

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Arcilite_I posted:

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it's a f*cking game.

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How long until MMOs go this way? 18+

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Arcilite_I posted:

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There's a WHOLE lot of self entitlement in this thread. Most of you, even the ones I like, need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize it's a f*cking game.

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Trigeminal posted:

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- log in
- queue for random
- go upstairs for supper
- wait an additional 25 minutes for the queue to pop
- got into a group that lost a member right before Erudax
- kill the one boss left in Grim Batol
- requeue
- wait 40 minutes (I'm actually still waiting)

My suggestion to "add" to WoW endgame? Make peggle a base addition to the game and not a 3rd party addon and make sure TV programs more interesting shows so I have something to watch while I wait.

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-Mythril- posted:

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the game is currently being directed at people being dependent on guilds for a comfortable level of ease of play.

Randoms are risky and often suck due to poor communication abilities and anyone that is new will make a 5 man difficult.

The solution is to run with guildies. That's how it will stand until enough people over gear the heroics to carry the scrubs and the newbies. It's the current state of the game.

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Trigeminal posted:

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I actually did some runs last night on my warrior. We had a pally healer that was extremely good. Even on boss fights he never went below 75% mana. I don't know how he did it. Noone died and it was smooth. If I could marry a healer like that, tanking would be fun. The DPS were non-retarded as well.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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There's a WHOLE lot of self entitlement in this thread. Most of you, even the ones I like, need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize it's a f*cking game.

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formerly_addicted posted:

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or just make friends and go with them to a dungeon or whatever.

still dont get it when ppl want to play a mmorpg like a single player game and complain on the other hand if they have to wait to get into groups with other "single-player"....

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Fedup23 posted:

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Arcilite_I posted:

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There's a WHOLE lot of self entitlement in this thread. Most of you, even the ones I like, need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize it's a f*cking game.

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Hail Hail.. I cant understand how some of you dorks (with love) get so proud/disgruntled/pissed/arrogant/red assed/purple faced/bent/twisted/nerd raged/ etc etc etc over a video game.

One thing is clear to me, this game holds WAY too much weight in some of your lives.

I bet the guy that invented MMOs is rolling over in his grave to see that his invention has been turned into an evil, drama filled vehicle for the socially impaired. *throws down mic and stomps off ala Syrus*

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Auenwing posted:

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Fedup23 posted:

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Arcilite_I posted:

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There's a WHOLE lot of self entitlement in this thread. Most of you, even the ones I like, need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize it's a f*cking game.

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Hail Hail.. I cant understand how some of you dorks (with love) get so proud/disgruntled/pissed/arrogant/red assed/purple faced/bent/twisted/nerd raged/ etc etc etc over a video game.

One thing is clear to me, this game holds WAY too much weight in some of your lives.

I bet the guy that invented MMOs is rolling over in his grave to see that his invention has been turned into an evil, drama filled vehicle for the socially impaired. *throws down mic and stomps off ala Syrus*

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...but...but... <sputter>.... without decent content, we gotta find our fun SOMEWHERE!...


As for that guy rolling over, he's rolling in laughter! He just PvP'd a whole generation of gamers and won!

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The_Korrigan posted:

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formerly_addicted posted:

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or just make friends and go with them to a dungeon or whatever.

still dont get it when ppl want to play a mmorpg like a single player game and complain on the other hand if they have to wait to get into groups with other "single-player"....

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Stop trying to make sense - it's not popular around here...

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Trigeminal posted:

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Making leveling so easy makes for some "interesting" level 85 characters.

So while I have insta-queues now, I won't be using them. PUGs = pain.

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Pacorra posted:

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Trigeminal posted:

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Making leveling so easy makes for some "interesting" level 85 characters.

So while I have insta-queues now, I won't be using them. PUGs = pain.

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Yeah, part of the problem is that while leveling / questing / soloing you only dps. A friend of mine just joined the game, made a druid, and at 68 he hasn't even touched an instance, so despite being the most versatile class in the entire game, he has only soloed in cat form. It didn't make much sense for him to have to collect multiple sets of gear, learn the instances, etc. when he was quickly outleveling everything he was already doing. And the problem is of course that the longer it takes for him to try bear or tree, the harder it will be to learn the ropes, because he will have to face the impatient puggers.

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JaredKorry posted:

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WoW VN Boards -Not the type of community I want to be a part of. Good luck everyone.

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