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So I somewhat managed to reach the desired ilvl for heroic instance.
I play prot pally.

My first PUG heroic (and that was probably the mistake) was hc Shadowfang Keep.

I had a druid healer btw. We pulled the ghoul and the adds and, well, I did take serious beating. I know that is normal, but I was held on some ~25% hp. I have to admit I didn't fire up my 1mn 20% dmg migater at first. The healer was kinda slow, but lastly, she starting whining around and I insisted to go thinking "ah I don't have enough Def then".


I left and then just remembered, "There is no Def" -____-.

Is there some kind of other avoidance mechanic to negate instant death or do I have to roll my face on all CDs per trash group pull °°?

I'm not in a rush to do heroic instances but I figured I am lost in knowing when I am sufficient of tank and my healer actually being the problem.

 

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Might be gear issue. Avoidance is In today, I believe as pala tank you should keep dodge+parry within 1-2% of each other... gem for dodge/sta or parry/sta, reforge hit/exp to dodge/parry if you feel your threat is at comfortable level.

 

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but you need hit / exp so you can hit the mobs and get agro.

 

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http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t110338-cataclysm_tanking_protection_field_manual_updated_jan_3_2011_4_0_3a/


Read it. You need tons of mastery, and expertise. Then uber dodge, parry, etc. You're shooting for the 102.4% avoidance still and it's MUCH harder to reach imo, especially with the changes to sacred shield and avoidance is MUCH more important now that here is no defense.

ilvl alone isn't a good enough indicator. Rotations are now more complicated as well, especially since your rotation directly affects avoidance. You need to have it down. I'm heroic "ready" according to ilvl but...yeah...still need some more work on my gear.

 

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When you can snatch the pebble from Korrigans hand.. then you will be ready.

j/k Good luck in Heroics!! peace

 

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Fedup23 posted:
When you can snatch the pebble from Korrigans hand.. then you will be ready.

j/k Good luck in Heroics!! peace


Horrible joke, he doesn't even play a tank class that takes skill lol

 

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Arcilite_I posted:
Fedup23 posted:
When you can snatch the pebble from Korrigans hand.. then you will be ready.

j/k Good luck in Heroics!! peace


Horrible joke, he doesn't even play a tank class that takes skill lol


my bad.. i didnt realize that he didnt play a skill class. sad how ironic thinking

 

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hey, I miss the old days where paladins were not accepted as tanks and you had to prove yourself.

Don't look at me, I didn't change the game. Big B did it grin

Thanks for EJ link. Didn't expect that one. I never trust ilvl, gearscore any other crap as it all depends on the "pilot".

 

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I was talking about Korrigan tongue

 

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I see the kindergarten is out today...

This said, nope you don't need tons of expertise (it's even said in the EJ link btw), and hit neither. To the opposite, all "high end guild" tanks, Paragon and alike, totally gemmed/enchanted for avoidance (dodge/parry) and mastery. For heroics, definitely don't worry about expertise and hit, rather worry about survivability, you won't have threat problems, if you play your palatank correctly of course. Reforge the existing expertise and hit on items into dodge or parry when you can.

As a paladin, Mastery is great.

Have a look here for more info: http://casusb.guildlaunch.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6104495
It's great info for the Cataclysm Palatank. And the EJ link given above, too.

PS: have a look at the various reputation rewards to gear up too. There's pretty good stuff there, specially if you don't raid at all (epics).

 

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Arcilite_I posted:
I was talking about Korrigan tongue


Then my appolgies! I misinterpreted then ^^

Thanks for the info. I hope I can get it done this time.
Gimme a sec while I read this stuff through one more time and reforge so I can put some numbers.

I am kinda lost with basic %dodge/parry numbers but I will just read the stuff through again.

ugh. avoidance is at ~55% -_-.
Okay, failtank for a quite a while, I suppose.

 

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Korrigan's fascination with kindergarten children is starting to worry me.

Do we need to call the FBI, or at least Chris Hansen maybe?

 

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Korrigan's fascination with kindergarten children is starting to worry me.

Do we need to call the FBI, or at least Chris Hansen maybe?


it is a little weird... worried

 

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it is less about gear and more about the tank skill.

My dk is ilevel 355, 157k hps unbuffed, tons avoidence/armor, 80-110% mastery depending on what I want -> no issue at all with heroics.

However, my druid who just got 85 and is just starting out -> ilevel 133 approx, 150k hps buffed
-> but also, no issue at all. (ae threat is a tad annoying with a druid however post wotlk).


I would suggest try to target 140-150k hps with appropiate, mastery/avoidence depending on your class. Hps is still king at the moment, but he does have some brothers and sisters that like to come to the party.

 

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You are ready once you are mostly in ilvl 333 gear from quest reward and some earlier instance run during leveling.

If both tank and healer are low in gear, get the DPS to use some crowd control abilities.

If CCs are not available due to weird LFD pairing, then only pull big pack of mobs when the oh-shit cooldowns are available for either tank or healer.

 

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It's pretty straight-forward.

1. Get hit capped - 8% or 961
2. Get soft Exp of 26 (or 781) at a minimum but continue towards 55 (or 1652)
3. Work on total avoidance of 102.4%
4. Mastery is your friend as it drives Block

You don't want to even begin without 1 and 2 above, those are absurdly simple to reach.
Getting number 3 requires gearing and wise gemming/reforging choices.

Ensure you have a good rotation/priority system in place for both single target and aoe encounters.

Lastly, ensure your group has the basics well in hand. If you are relying on the DF for that, well, good luck.

 

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I have zero troubles regarding keeping aggro.
I just don't know if the items from normal dungeons etc will bring me to that true basic ilvl needed for decent heroics. Aside to the fact of getting gems and enchants, I just don't see how it will hold out well enough.

If I remember correctly, certain pvp items even have more stam than the basic stuff you get from normal instances.

Although - A buddy just told me that the first mob groups in Shadowfang HC are brutal. So maybe I was standing against something that was clearly one of those crazy dps bombers mobs instead of the "standard dps" group.

 

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The_Korrigan posted:
I see the kindergarten is out today...


And here you go with the kindergarten crap again. Here lies The_Korrigan, VN's longest lived troll.

Seriously, give it a rest already. My God. I'd rather believe anything G.W. Bush says than you... WTB /ignore for VN forums

 

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I see I made a new friend... or the alt of an old one. Stay a while, you'll find a lot of kids of your age to play with here.

Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
It's pretty straight-forward.

1. Get hit capped - 8% or 961
2. Get soft Exp of 26 (or 781) at a minimum but continue towards 55 (or 1652)
3. Work on total avoidance of 102.4%
4. Mastery is your friend as it drives Block
1 and 2 are definitely NOT a priority AT ALL. As I said, at the beginning, you may want to even reforge expertise and hit into avoidance for more survivability.

 

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Go to Maintankadin, and learn your class. It literally takes as little as five minutes worth of reading to know which stats you need to aim for and in which order. But you can't be bothered before having your arse handed to you in a heroic.


Welcome to WoW where people who have no idea how to play their class can step into heroics and burden four other people.

 

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1 and 2 are definitely NOT a priority AT ALL. As I said, at the beginning, you may want to even reforge expertise and hit into avoidance for more survivability.


Aye. I don't have trouble hitting things or holding threat.

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Go to Maintankadin, and learn your class. It literally takes as little as five minutes worth of reading to know which stats you need to aim for and in which order. But you can't be bothered before having your arse handed to you in a heroic.


Welcome to WoW where people who have no idea how to play their class can step into heroics and burden four other people.


I suppose that is for me this time. edit: "for now", that is. I suppose that will change once I hit the big ones amigos.

For the record, we didn't wipe. It was only big numbers coming through, my healer wasn't really that "great" either and I already figured certain values are not alright. I am aware of the elitist mentality when it comes to heroics, but frankly, this is just random PUG'ing. And I dearly hope Blizz at least keeps it that difficult (though we all know they'll nerf it to easymode soon enough).

I'm not from yesterday. I know about Maintankadin but there are still a few holes there; plus a variety of threads are still based on Wotlk comedy. The links about EJ and other one were a lot more informative.

Plus, not everybody has some guild backing your arse. happy

Whatever.
Would be nice if somebody could tell me if the first mob groups aka Ghouls in Shadowfang HC are just the toughest in the instance or if such heavy dmg is common on all mobs throuhgout ALL HC instances.

 

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Groooovechampion posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
I was talking about Korrigan tongue


Then my appolgies! I misinterpreted then ^^

Thanks for the info. I hope I can get it done this time.
Gimme a sec while I read this stuff through one more time and reforge so I can put some numbers.

I am kinda lost with basic %dodge/parry numbers but I will just read the stuff through again.

ugh. avoidance is at ~55% -_-.
Okay, failtank for a quite a while, I suppose.


I'm guessing you're at 10% parry, 11% dodge and 34% block? Or is your base miss chance in there already? Don't forget that you have to keep Holy Shield up. It procs when you use Shield of the Righteous. It's possible to keep it up indefinately and it increases the amount of dmg you block. And what do your trinkets do? Throngus's Finger for example increases your parry right? But it also procs 1500 dodge rating when you parry. You standing still out of combat avoidance may not be your in combat procing stuff avoidance.

Use your cool downs. You have them, they help, use them. Even it's just trash. I used to never use them on trash but now I used them everytime we get a big pull. With only 1minute and 3 minute cooldowns, no reason not to. WoGing and Holy Radiance are going to help as well. At the point in the game, the tank needs to suport the healer so the healer can keep the tank up! In my opinion anyway. Kind of seems backwards, and some of those abilities only do a "small" amount but used together and used properly they can make a difference.

 

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Ayadread posted:
Go to Maintankadin, and learn your class. It literally takes as little as five minutes worth of reading to know which stats you need to aim for and in which order. But you can't be bothered before having your arse handed to you in a heroic.


Welcome to WoW where people who have no idea how to play their class can step into heroics and burden four other people.


And you of course know everything! tongue Gee, I thought he was taking time to figure out how to play better by asking? And from this thread it's ovious that he's not averse to learning. Sheesh.

 

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I learn new stuff all the time. But I also don't appreciate waiting 45-60 minutes in a dps queue only to get grouped with fails who were too lazy to learn the BASICS of their class prior to stepping into heroics. He claims to know about Maintankadin, and yet somehow managed to make it thru there, try tanking a heroic on a pally, and didn't know what avoidance to aim for or even how it works.

And Groove, you can play the elitist card if it makes you feel better. There is nothing elitist about going into a pug and expecting people to know the mere basics of the role they choose. The elitism would be the self-righteous arse who thinks he is entitled to run heroics simply because they are there and wastes four other peoples time because he is tanking with 55% avoidance.

 

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ugh, weird spacing issues on replying.

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I'm guessing you're at 10% parry, 11% dodge and 34% block?


Stats are now AFTER fixing and researching
Parry 9.33%
Dodge 7.73%
Block 41.79%

Should be 63.85 (5% added in) avoidance, I guess.

There are still some holes I can fix for improvement.


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And what do your trinkets do? Throngus's Finger for example increases your parry right? But it also procs 1500 dodge rating when you parry. You standing still out of combat avoidance may not be your in combat procing stuff avoidance.


Unfortunately, I don't have those trinkets (quite).
I have one that has 323 Stam and an emergency HP buffer.
The other one has 252 mastery rating and a 1260 parry rating CD.

I have the german version, but I will look up the trinkets you suggested. However, I don't know if it is smart to replace the ones I currently loaded - but do please correct me if I am wrong.


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Big mistake this time, as I could have bought the gems all the gear I needed.


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Orale. Here we go again.

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"Elitist card"? What is this, Yugioh?

Alright, despite the trap card, I'll just active justification bait and anti-word twisting. I will play along. Feel free to read or just skip and twist words like you did above. I'll stick to quote bomb and wall of text.
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And despite this text not stopping anyone from trolling, do please read this with a normal voice in your mind, too. Lately, people on vn are reading with this "other tone" making them think people are yelling or talking arrogantly at them.


I said posted:
I am aware of the elitist mentality when it comes to heroics, but frankly, this is just random PUG'ing.



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And Groove, you can play the elitist card if it makes you feel better. There is nothing elitist about going into a pug and expecting people to know the mere basics of the role they choose. The elitism would be the self-righteous arse who thinks he is entitled to run heroics simply because they are there and wastes four other peoples time because he is tanking with 55% avoidance.


Misinterpretation of words and tone from my post.
I am referring to the heightend "special forces" people immediately expect. Sure, you are free to have higher expectations. Just don't forget that you are in a PUG and PUGs are not always successful. I think you are well aware of that.

I notified I had bad gear and btw there is another side reason for that. I will answer that as PallyDog requested - further below here.

More details about the short group run: The healer was a slightly slowpoke and the heals weren't "that great" either. Nevertheless, I am humble enough to leave because I already noticed my gear was below. I somewhere saw this coming because of the Blizzard's ilvl setting and itemization.
Furthermore, BC/WotLK heroics are nothing compared to Cata as the itemization is way different. So even though we all may be oh-so-veterans, the addon reset button cares less about your previous experience.

In fact, if I pulled another group and we survived, you'd be moaning about the healer more than me.


I agree with PallyDog about "not using the short CDs". I did not take that much in account. I use them as my panic button, not as tanking since I don't get that much dmg in when tanking normal instances. So, the only way to learn is to do a short test run, ask for advice and learn. You stated your comment, so did I. Also, I stated above that I will be checking things twice - but so far, I must say again that EJ and the other link other than maintankadin was useful and insightful.

Thanks. happy

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But I also don't appreciate waiting 45-60 minutes in a dps queue only to get grouped with fails who were too lazy to learn the BASICS of their class prior to stepping into heroics.


Look up and read.
You know I left that group beforehand and freely or? thinking
So. If you were the dps waiting 45mins to a full hour for a tank and I would leave after testing my first time, a new and better tank would come. Plus, you wouldn't have died either.

Look to that tank, look to me, now the other tank, now BACK to me. Maybe you would have wiped and ragequit or kick that tank. Look up, would the tank be better than me? I don't know?
Look down. Look up - you're in a PUG, look down.

(sorry for the bad Old Spice trolling grin )

No seriously.
I am just assuming the troll tone throughout the wow community is based on today's "ilvl faker tries instancing and fails". I did not ilvl fake as in buy blue cloth and "yay heroix loot here I come". Again, I tested and then said "okay, now let's find the specific holes". More about fixing the holes further down.

If you can, I ask you to not wander off with these wild assumptions as depicted by your previous posts. I will try to do the same but the undertone of your posts is noticeable.

Plus, after readychecking and advising the healer about the first stairwell/line of sight, the druid still took several moments before starting the heal. I seriously doubt a healer is useful as a lateboomers. Note that I didn't put all the details about the group itself.

PUGs are not very talktive like they used to be either. I could care less about your server as everything regarding individual servers differs. At least for the variety of pugs I've been in, I've been asking simple questions or even just a "hi" and all you get is the rolling bush.

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He claims to know about Maintankadin, and yet somehow managed to make it thru there, try tanking a heroic on a pally, and didn't know what avoidance to aim for or even how it works.


I know avoidance well enough. I just didn't know that the 102% rule is still active. Scroll and read the text I wrote about maintankadin. I was referring to the point about HC experiences. The first pages of the forum have tons of old wotlk stuff. I've used maintankadin so far only for the normal dungeon items. I probably missed the heroic FAQ after all, but frankly, there are still holes as stated in my previous post.


edit 2:

An experienced rl friend of mine helped me out with enchants etc. So the stamina is -> 130k hp; however with SDK. Yeah, I know. Need more and Priest Stam Buff won't save me...

 

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Literally 20 seconds to find all you need to know as a paladin wanting to start tanking. This is even on the offiial forums no less. Since you obviously can't grasp Maintankadin or Elitist. You can type all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're a lazy arse who needs his hand held and would rather subject a group to your fail avoidance.


p.s. There is absolutely nothing daunting about that pull in SFK. There are far worse trash pulls.

 

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Not everybody is an introverted researcher who disdains the very thought of pleasant learning conversation with others.

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PallyDog posted:
You need tons of mastery, and expertise.


Um...

Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
1. Get hit capped - 8% or 961
2. Get soft Exp of 26 (or 781) at a minimum but continue towards 55 (or 1652)
3. Work on total avoidance of 102.4%
4. Mastery is your friend as it drives Block


UMMMMM...

The only valid point here is that mastery is good - and if you haven't figured that out you probably shouldn't be tanking.

He's not raiding - he's just starting heroics. Nobody just starting is going to be worrying about hit cap, expertise, or avoidance caps.

Do some of you even tank (or read or reply in context) ? I do actually tank and have cleared every instance and heroic several times over. I also teach my guildies the content and end up teaching pugs far too much as I pug my dpsers out (4 85's that are mostly maxed on heroic crap due to how fast and easy it is to max out in this joke of an expac).

There are 2 main concepts.

For one, playing any tank, even a paladin requires some "skill" or attention to detail despite what some super geniuses post here. You can faceroll and get mugged, or you can learn to use every ability you have. For a pali specifically that means use your dmg reducing abilities, use your group healing/mitigation tools, and spec to reduce dmg (go nuts with talents for your holy power heal, for ex) - while doing heroics. Divine shield got mugged but it's on a 1min CD - most heroic trash pulls will last a while. The new 50% shield is on a 3m CD - use it rather than die with CDs. Etc.

There is much more to being a good tank now than just holding threat on a bunch of mobs - surviving without your healer dumping their whole bar on every pull is ideal. Northrend facerollers who understand 1/4 of their abilities are getting destroyed. Revisit your spell book and talents to make sure you understand and use every applicable ability you have.

For two, grouping is more about group responsibility now, not any particular individual. A tank still generally leads, but everyone needs to know what mobs are doing, needs to avoid nasty high dmg stuff (on ground, or interrupting mobs), etc. Using CC even when you have a clue helps things go much more smoothly (you are going to kill the mobs anyways, reducing how much dmg they do to your group makes a big difference).

My 4th 85 is a healer which gives you much more of an appreciation of 2 things - most dps are dumber than posts and healing isn't broken - people are just too stupid to pay attention to their surroundings and either too lazy or too preoccupied with recount numbers to use their interrupts. One reason healers are suffering is because people don't avoid the avoidable dmg or interrupt obvious huge dmg things that can be interrupted. Healing, like tanking, is group-oriented now. I also love tanks and dps that MOVE OUT of AE targeted AE heals. Genius in action.

If your health is spiking all over the place on every pull and your healer is dumping a full bar every pull, then you (tank) and/or your group are doing something wrong.

Healers that don't suck learn really quick that they need to be super efficient and selective with spells and mana - but few good healers wanna deal with sloppy and/or stupid for a whole instance.

A smart group can do heroics even with mediocre gear but I personally like to be a bit beyond the minimum as a tank because the chances of that perfect group happening are small.

 

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Voqar, welcome to the small club of people who know what they are talking about in this thread!

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More like the small club of people who have way too much invested in what is suppose to be a hobby...holy crap. Not saiyng you're wrong, just that you need to go outside.

 

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Ayadread posted:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1020823291

Literally 20 seconds to find all you need to know as a paladin wanting to start tanking. This is even on the offiial forums no less. Since you obviously can't grasp Maintankadin or Elitist. You can type all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're a lazy arse who needs his hand held and would rather subject a group to your fail avoidance.


p.s. There is absolutely nothing daunting about that pull in SFK. There are far worse trash pulls.


What Arcilite said first on this page.
If you didn't have the reading disability, you would have noticed that I have no posting access to the US boards - WOW I CAN READ IT - but I can't contribute to any discussions going on there, and as far as I am concerned, that has not changed today (Thanks Blizzard, btw).

Hand held? Didn't ask for that so you can stop swaggering that peen.
Look, the Heroics in BC were 1000% more daunting and challenging before the nerf barrage - and that was back then when Pally didn't have all these toys.

My cow died last night, so I don't need your Tauren. You're not even worth the Daoc reference considering the unneccessary trolling from your side..

Great, so there is cloned information from M'tankadin and some EJ - of which PallyDog already posted long before you showed up... Please come with something new.


And even if I could log with my EU acc to US-OF Forums, I can't log in there right now anyways because your U.S. login servers seem to be down. Plus, let's not forget, the chance of getting troll posts is much higher than here. Of course, wild tribes are here on VN too, obviously.


We all can freely agree that ilvl alone isn't a good enough indicator - which was already obvious happy . And those MT/EJ/OF/MILF doesn't answer all questions unless somebody has the balls to ask them.


I'd love to see you take those 20sec and grasp anything else from this thread.

The only smart thing I heard so far from you was in your PS. I don't get how hard that was to just post that other than the rambling bullcrap. My wall o text is only responding thoroughly to your wild assumptions.

I wish we could get more intellectual phrases like that one in your PS rather than the rest of the unsuccessful troll attempts, but frankly, I expect yet another witty post ^^.


****


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Do some of you even tank (or read or reply in context)


That's what I've been wondering, and I'd add in the question: From where the f' are some people getting these wild assumptions?, too.


Would be nice to hear who is tanking - and with what class happy . Also, how about your first Cata heroic PUG tanking attempt with all details? If you can remember that far back, that is.

Yet, I can't verify who truly has (paladin) tank, so whatever.


There are several other questions remaining open about heroics dungeons of Cata. I won't post them just yet because I will first fix the last holes in my gear, and do another HC attempt(s). Plus I won't feed putos until I am certain about the questions.


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More like the small club of people who have way too much invested in what is suppose to be a hobby...holy crap.


Voqar's post was very insightful, nonetheless. At least grin

I agree with you and Voqar that this addon is a joke - I think that is something the majority of the community thinks. It's just Blizzard and a few others below who think everything is fine thanks to the general reputation of WoW. I already stated in another thread what could have been done - but that would only have lead to the usual wishful thinking hopes of MMOGs that will never come.



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I also love tanks and dps that MOVE OUT of AE targeted AE heals.


In defense for some tanks, there are bosses that have the same or similarly-looking field AoE Heal animations. Especially those "holy" or "green verdant" ones. Some heal you, others heal boss/kill you grin

 

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More like the small club of people who have way too much invested in what is suppose to be a hobby...holy crap. Not saiyng you're wrong, just that you need to go outside.


Yes because taking 5 minutes to read and learn about your class will leave you with absolutely no time for anything else. Lets all be fail tanks like the op. Here's a thought Arc, if you take five minutes and go read a post or two you could finally figure out how to beat a frost mage with a feral druid.

 

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Sorry, 5mins or 20sec reading? Dayum!

At least you responded as expected ^^. Especially that last part doh!

 

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Sorry, 5mins or 20sec reading? Dayum!

At least you responded as expected ^^. Especially that last part doh!


I said, 20 seconds of searching, and 5 minutes worth of reading. Apparently your reading comprehension ranks right up there with your tanking ability.

 

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Sorry, 5mins or 20sec reading? Dayum!

At least you responded as expected ^^. Especially that last part doh!


I said, 20 seconds of searching, and 5 minutes worth of reading. Apparently your reading comprehension ranks right up there with your tanking ability.


Just like your social skills are right down there with fecal matter happy

 

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The irony of you commenting on anyone else's social skills is truly laughable.

 

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Ayadread posted:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1020823291

Literally 20 seconds to find all you need to know as a paladin wanting to start tanking. This is even on the offiial forums no less. Since you obviously can't grasp Maintankadin or Elitist. You can type all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're a lazy arse who needs his hand held and would rather subject a group to your fail avoidance.


p.s. There is absolutely nothing daunting about that pull in SFK. There are far worse trash pulls.


And him coming here for a little more discussion is so bad. Maybe there shouldn't be any forums/sites for discussion on a game you obviously take so seriously.

Just throwing it out there.

There are many ways to learn how to play a game, so sorry everyone doesn't bow down to you to appease your time. Your time is so much more important than anyone elses in a video game.

Oh and concerning your hand held comment. Unless you actually came up with all the information on those sites that I'm presuming you used your self...it sounds like your hand was held also.

 

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Sorry, 5mins or 20sec reading? Dayum!

At least you responded as expected ^^. Especially that last part doh!


I said, 20 seconds of searching, and 5 minutes worth of reading. Apparently your reading comprehension ranks right up there with your tanking ability.


Searching and reading are obviously two mutually exclusive things for you. thinking
But I don't need to dive into your cesspool.

I'm afraid I am not the only one who thinks that way, either.

So, how about posting your class and heroic experiences finally?

Althought it is noticeable why you hide behind rambling posts.

 

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When you can snatch the pebble from Korrigans hand.. then you will be ready.

j/k Good luck in Heroics!! peace


Horrible joke, he doesn't even play a tank class that takes skill lol


my bad.. i didnt realize that he didnt play a skill class. sad how ironic thinking


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Sorry, 5mins or 20sec reading? Dayum!

At least you responded as expected ^^. Especially that last part doh!


I said, 20 seconds of searching, and 5 minutes worth of reading. Apparently your reading comprehension ranks right up there with your tanking ability.


Searching and reading are obviously two mutually exclusive things for you. thinking
But I don't need to dive into your cesspool.

I'm afraid I am not the only one who thinks that way, either.

So, how about posting your class and heroic experiences finally?

Althought it is noticeable why you hide behind rambling posts.


I've cleared all of the heroics baddie.

 

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More like the small club of people who have way too much invested in what is suppose to be a hobby...holy crap. Not saiyng you're wrong, just that you need to go outside.


Highly amusing comment from someone with over 26000 posts.

 

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I've cleared all of the heroics baddie.


I think everybody was expecting a short, witty and unfinished answer from you, wannabe goodie. happy
Aside to your great achievements, you still did not post what class or anything else specific that isn`t related to repetative nonsense.

Anyways, would be helpful to hear from other tanks who are just starting heroics, too.

 

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Arcilite_I posted:
More like the small club of people who have way too much invested in what is suppose to be a hobby...holy crap. Not saiyng you're wrong, just that you need to go outside.


Highly amusing comment from someone with over 26000 posts.


ROUNDING UP TO 27K: 3k posts per year, less than 10 posts a day....learn2math before trying to insult me lol

Not to mention, a lot of my posts are made from my phone

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@Ayadread - Why are you so angry? You seemed like a bitter person that rages at the slightest nuisance. It takes alot more than reading 5 mins on website dedicated to tanking pallies, it takes experience and alot of trial and error to successfully developed muscle memory.

This is a discussion forum you know? Maybe the OP wanted to interact with people on this forum because he likes the advice people give here? /shrug
Why don't take your negative crap and piss off and find some other forums to rage at.

 

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@Ayadread - Why are you so angry? You seemed like a bitter person that rages at the slightest nuisance. It takes alot more than reading 5 mins on website dedicated to tanking pallies, it takes experience and alot of trial and error to successfully developed muscle memory.

This is a discussion forum you know? Maybe the OP wanted to interact with people on this forum because he likes the advice people give here? /shrug
Why don't take your negative crap and piss off and find some other forums to rage at.


I can't speak for others but it is likely that Ayadread is just, well, obviously "pissed", because I mentioned words like "other avoidance system" and "def". I did not post supplemental information which will just lead to a tl;dr factor so I left out various background info. I did have the current avoidance-value macro but I never thought it would still be in the trend.

Doesn't mean I am defending him/her/troll. Trolls should be shot on sight.
I already said often enough by now that I was through Maintankadin and yes, already read/searched about 130k/70% avoidance etc bla, but there are still questions I had open, because frankly, heroics are not just about gear.

I won't post further questions just yet since I want to do a bit more of a prep and reconsideration (if that word exists) - or "re-inyuandation" ;P.

Although I have reached the "true" basic gear of heroics now, I figured that the gear itself does not feature all too many gems slots. Furthermore, a bit more agi can't hurt.

Well, there's one question I think I can ask after all.
Perhaps that experienced someone can contribute with a bit more than pygmy aggro.


Let's take BC heroics for example. There were certain instances that were just fine for getting into heroics while others were a pain.

In your opinion, which heroic instance in Cata now could be more for "starters". Starters not meaning easymode. but maybe there is an instance or two that don't rapetrain you instantly.
I am aware that this is Cata, so maybe Blizz mainstreamed hardcore mode, but in BC, I recall variance (sp) in difficulties throughout the various BC hc instances.

 

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