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Make this a free, open PvP zone. Whoever controls 2 of the 3 bases at any one time holds the zone and has access to Baradin Hold and the dailies. Perhaps allow a short window (5-15 min) per base as control flips.
Eliminate all caps on population per side, and the timer. This is a PvP zone at all times.
Increase honour gains for PvP kills by 50-100% and any PvP death in Tol Barad proper puts in you on the other island in your camp. In this way, a death puts you OUT of the battle for a minute or two, and allows for actual VICTORIES when teams of the enemy are killed.
Perhaps add honour or conquest gains for capturing or defending a base. Perhaps switch to a flag mechanic for bases (ala Arathi basin) instead of population based.
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It's quite obvious why that idea would be a complete failure. Nobody would ever have the time to complete the dailies, and even less to kill the dungeon boss(es). Not to mention the highest population side would totally dominate the place with zero chances for the other side to ever get it.
We don't need a shitty DAoC-like unbalanced crap zone. TB is already crappy enough, it doesn't need to be made worse, but better.
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yeah it would just switch too fast, if people even bothered to do it in that kind of system. not to mention there would be too much lag from all the people if there are no population caps. i agree tol barad right now is stupid, but i think this would be worse
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I want some unrestrained, open world PvP where who controlsl what, affects the game.
Period. I can not believe WoW does not have this yet. Why oh why?
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FWIW if you are alliance on deathwing server and I see you in Tol Barad or Tol Barad Pennisula, you will die. Unless of course you are a frost mage. In which case you will only die 25% of the time 
Those zones are as close as I can find to world pvp. Kill people while they quest... boo. I at least toss my thrown weapon at them a couple times so they have time to finish their kill and heal a little first.
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^^^
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I really like this idea but would add a few tweaks / caveats:
1) People inside BH don't get kicked out once they get in. If they hold 2 towers to unlock it, and get it, they can keep the Raid ID and finish their raid.
2) Triple the gold for the dailies, so while they are extremely dangerous, risk vs. reward.
Then TB just might be real world PvP and actually incredibly fun.
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WoW's server/world PvP will always be a joke because Blizzard never made any effort to ensure that the active faction populations were relatively even.
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I have an idea. Don't tie that raid to who owns the stupid keep.
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You describe the original Wintergrasp with its problems and server lag it caused.
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Malachi256 posted:
WoW's server/world PvP will always be a joke because Blizzard never made any effort to ensure that the active faction populations were relatively even.
^^ Of course, God forbid some 12 year old cant make an uber Gnome toon on the same server as his best buddie.... Cant have that.
The bottom line for people looking for drastic solutions to WoW pvp is this: either find another game that actually has pvp (eve), AoC? Or keep your fingers crossed that some day, maybe, a developer will create one that has some type of mass appeal.
Really all those options are either crappy (AoC really?) or unrealistic (new pvp based game).
I guess my point is learn to live with it or buy a ps3.
Sucks I know.
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EvE actually has great pvp. It does not lend itself well to the general public though. It requires a lot of investment in learning the game prior to any real pvp success. Some corporations train new pilots but even with the hand-holding a player can and will be lost for months. I'm actually tempted to return to EvE but I've passed the initial learning curve already.
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The_Korrigan posted:
It's quite obvious why that idea would be a complete failure. Nobody would ever have the time to complete the dailies, and even less to kill the dungeon boss(es). Not to mention the highest population side would totally dominate the place with zero chances for the other side to ever get it.
We don't need a shitty DAoC-like unbalanced crap zone. TB is already crappy enough, it doesn't need to be made worse, but better.
You sound really butthurt over DAoC, maybe you should vent your anger there instead of here.
To stay on topic, the idea is only good if you're going to apply it to the entire world. Otherwise it's completely counter productive to the concept of a PvP environment.
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Screw MMO pvp any more. League of Legends is all the pvp I ever will need again. Completely free with the option of spending some cash to unlock characters and buy custom skins for your favorite characters. MMO's can stay full tilt pve for all i care any more =D
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The problem I have with WoW PvP is that it's so goddamn predictable, and they've segmented the population so much that no one even knows what a challenge is any more.
There needs to be an alternate form of PvP for people who:
a) don't want to stand around and form an arena team to participate in highly regulated and predictable battles;
b) find the endless battlegrounds fun but again, predictable and eventually repetitive;
c) perhaps don't have the time to be online for Tol Barad or even Wintergrasp, or maybe they log on just after the fight is started or over;
d) don't get chosen even though they queue every time.
I suspect that last group is probably pretty large. Maybe they get lucky and get into one or battles a week. It would benefit WoW to have a large area where people can step into at will, and fight other players over some kind of landscape or objectives with a tangible benefit for all of the team holding the objective.
I definitely agree that once you are in the instance you stay in there regardless of who controls the entrance. And as for dailies not getting done? Are you crazy? They'll get done, but since it is defined as a PvP zone, if you want to do dailies then perhaps there are better options for you elsewhere.
What kind of argument is it that you shouldn't make a change for better PvP in a PvP zone because the PvE might suffer?
Not that WoW's level and gear systems are conducive to challenging PvP, any way.
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I remember epic AV battles. They'd start at 7:00 am before I left for work and would still be going by the time I got home. The wolfs, druids, big rock guy (forget name) would all get summoned. I don't even know why those "hand in" NPCs are still in the game. They never get used anymore. Drive-thru pvp doesn't work for me.
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I remember epic AV battles. They'd start at 7:00 am before I left for work and would still be going by the time I got home. The wolfs, druids, big rock guy (forget name) would all get summoned. I don't even know why those "hand in" NPCs are still in the game. They never get used anymore. Drive-thru pvp doesn't work for me.
Those were definitely the best memories I have of WoW pvp.. it was a blend of pve and pvp that worked perfectly as far as my tastes were concerned. The only thing that rivaled old AV fun for me was when my wife first started to pvp and she was learning in WSG. She'd carried he flag as a mage or run out for whomever was running the flag and frost nova the entire opposing team letting us get away. The game was completely different then. Fun is the word that comes to mind.
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Arcilite_I posted:
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It's quite obvious why that idea would be a complete failure. Nobody would ever have the time to complete the dailies, and even less to kill the dungeon boss(es). Not to mention the highest population side would totally dominate the place with zero chances for the other side to ever get it.
We don't need a shitty DAoC-like unbalanced crap zone. TB is already crappy enough, it doesn't need to be made worse, but better.
You sound really butthurt over DAoC, maybe you should vent your anger there instead of here.
Says the kid who recently canceled his WOW account. Maybe YOU should piss off from here, if you follow you own logic?
Oh sorry, I forgot you had none. Logic, I mean. Not sure you even know what the word means... it's all about "do what I say, not what I do", heh? 
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The_Korrigan posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
It's quite obvious why that idea would be a complete failure. Nobody would ever have the time to complete the dailies, and even less to kill the dungeon boss(es). Not to mention the highest population side would totally dominate the place with zero chances for the other side to ever get it.
We don't need a shitty DAoC-like unbalanced crap zone. TB is already crappy enough, it doesn't need to be made worse, but better.
You sound really butthurt over DAoC, maybe you should vent your anger there instead of here.
Says the kid who recently canceled his WOW account. Maybe YOU should piss off from here, if you follow you own logic?
Oh sorry, I forgot you had none. Logic, I mean. Not sure you even know what the word means... it's all about "do what I say, not what I do", heh?
Maybe you should piss off and stay on the official forums. Those of us who have played various games over the years and continue to post here don't do it because of the games themselves, of course I'd never expect an 'elitist' such as yourself to get that.
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Festus_Stundagin posted:
Maybe you should piss off and stay on the official forums. Those of us who have played various games over the years and continue to post here don't do it because of the games themselves, of course I'd never expect an 'elitist' such as yourself to get that.
You'd have one less reason to whine about WoW here if I left, I definitely don't want to cruelly remove that joy from you. I mean, if the elitists (aka, the "normal" players of the game) leave, what are you casuals (aka the "self entitled whiners", or "trolls") gonna whine about? The weather? They do that already at your local redneck pub. Nah, you need us. You couldn't conceive actually only posting on forums of games you like and play, it would not make enough sense for you, and more importantly, not leave enough room for your usual whining
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I just read the TOS. Apparently we don't need a WoW subscription to post here. I'll let Arc take it up with his lawyer though. Not my battle.
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Even if I did need an active sub to post here I would still be okay.
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I'ma casual. . . ... ...... I'm glad this toolbrain knows whether I min/max or lollygag to the extreme. But hey my priest was only at a 6180gs doing HM's before the rest of the population was working on the rest of ICC itself. The difference between you and I korrigan is I don't think I'm special or better than the rest of the population.
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Hey I was big for a five year old.
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Hey I was big for a five year old.
LOLOL
What was it agian? up up down down left right left right c d a b start? I need a cloer look at the controller...
Oh yes! Tol Barad. We actually managed to defend last nihgt. I was shocked! And frankly, I had no worries about imbalanced realm population in DAoC PvP. Of course the dynamic hcnage a bit when you have three factions instead fo two. When do we get to play the scourge in WoW? Eh?
Tey've implemented the "world PvP" idea to a small amount in Hellfire, EPL, Zangs and Terokarr, but I'd like ot see things like those otwers on a lrager more meaningful scale.
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