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When joining the RDF...

"Voice Chat Required"


Yes, I could give my Vent info to every random cawkflop, but it would be so much nicer if Blizz actually had a voice system that was worth a damn, and that we could require those joining our group in the RDF be using it.


 

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As long as people who don't want to use it are prioritized over groups demanding it, that would be fine.

No one should have to wait even longer just because they don't want to hear some teen making anal jokes over vent.

 

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I'm sure Blizzard is working to refine their voice chat quite vigorously, with their massive push to Battle.net and all. Until then, yea, it's quite horrible.

 

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:
As long as people who don't want to use it are prioritized over groups demanding it, that would be fine.

No one should have to wait even longer just because they don't want to hear some teen making anal jokes over vent.



Well you should be able to mute specific players, but at least this would enable those who want to 'lead' the dungeon to co-ordinate things.

 

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GutterSludge posted:
When joining the RDF...

"Voice Chat Required"


Yes, I could give my Vent info to every random cawkflop, but it would be so much nicer if Blizz actually had a voice system that was worth a damn, and that we could require those joining our group in the RDF be using it.





Sorry, but I don't care to listen to your nasal diatribe about how "uber" "pwn" your "leet" "deeps" is.

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Sly, communication is the key to success, in any game.

In AC, we used "Teamspeak", because being able to talk to someone is infinitely easier than trying to type out every little step in order to show someone something new.


Yes, sometimes you will get the person that is just as self centered as you describe (since it is the RDF)...which is why I would rather it be through Blizzards chat system, than my vent.



Edit: Voice can also be hilarious at times, which helps even more with group cohesion.



 

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GutterSludge posted:
Sly, communication is the key to success, in any game.

In AC, we used "Teamspeak", because being able to talk to someone is infinitely easier than trying to type out every little step in order to show someone something new.


Yes, sometimes you will get the person that is just as self centered as you describe (since it is the RDF)...which is why I would rather it be through Blizzards chat system, than my vent.



Edit: Voice can also be hilarious at times, which helps even more with group cohesion.


You know, this thread has finally put a piece of the puzzle together for me.

Your previous insistence that PuGs would "dominate" Cataclysm makes a bit more sense.

What seems apparent to me is that you expect or anticipate that PuGs will play like you do, in an organized fashion, with their mind on the GROUP vs. on whatever else, with their intention being to contribute meaningfully to the group rather than intending to be carried or to worry only about their own DPS and so forth...

As far as I can tell Gutter, it seems like you sincerely expect that the average PuG player to play like you do.

This is an optimistic but admirable expectation in my opinion.

It is my firm belief that you do not play like the average PuG player.

I also know that now and then one can, with patience and communication, bring a group of novices through a tough dungeon in this game and help them elevate the level of their play, but I also believe that this situation is rather rare and more often than not, most PuG players are simply not interested.

Anyway, that said, yes I would like to see a voice chat requirement as well, but I've been called an elitist for saying it before as well, and the preponderance of that criticism, even on this board, tells me that my suspicions about the rarity of "PuG" players who play like you do, are accurate.

 

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We do heroics without TS or Ventrilo.
A few lines in party chat, when you have people who aren't of the "dumb and dumber" PUG type, is usually enough.
I guess we must do something right.

I can see how it would enhance the total random PUG experience though. But be careful about what you ask for too... it means you gonna have to listen to everybody speaking. Everybody. Including the 14 year old brat in green gear who thinks he's the next lich king.

 

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The_Korrigan posted:
We do heroics without TS or Ventrilo.
A few lines in party chat, when you have people who aren't of the "dumb and dumber" PUG type, is usually enough.
I guess we must do something right.


Well once you have it ironed out, voice chat isn't manditory, it certainly helps though when you are figuring out the encounters. Of corse a good group can get by with out it, heck I'm sure you could say that a good groud could do a heroic with out using the keyboard.

 

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Cawlin posted:
GutterSludge posted:
Sly, communication is the key to success, in any game.

In AC, we used "Teamspeak", because being able to talk to someone is infinitely easier than trying to type out every little step in order to show someone something new.


Yes, sometimes you will get the person that is just as self centered as you describe (since it is the RDF)...which is why I would rather it be through Blizzards chat system, than my vent.



Edit: Voice can also be hilarious at times, which helps even more with group cohesion.


You know, this thread has finally put a piece of the puzzle together for me.

Your previous insistence that PuGs would "dominate" Cataclysm makes a bit more sense.

What seems apparent to me is that you expect or anticipate that PuGs will play like you do, in an organized fashion, with their mind on the GROUP vs. on whatever else, with their intention being to contribute meaningfully to the group rather than intending to be carried or to worry only about their own DPS and so forth...

As far as I can tell Gutter, it seems like you sincerely expect that the average PuG player to play like you do.

This is an optimistic but admirable expectation in my opinion.

It is my firm belief that you do not play like the average PuG player.

I also know that now and then one can, with patience and communication, bring a group of novices through a tough dungeon in this game and help them elevate the level of their play, but I also believe that this situation is rather rare and more often than not, most PuG players are simply not interested.

Anyway, that said, yes I would like to see a voice chat requirement as well, but I've been called an elitist for saying it before as well, and the preponderance of that criticism, even on this board, tells me that my suspicions about the rarity of "PuG" players who play like you do, are accurate.


I guess your views make a little more sense than as well. I also expect that people entering the DF queue are there to be part of a team and do everything possible to help that team succeed. That has been my experience in the overwhelming majority of the groups I have pugged. (I would assume hundreds of times?)

Mostly, I just refuse to believe that the average person is so inept and uncaring that they can really be that much worse at such an easy game. There is no skill in WoW. There is no "talent" for WoW. I just give everyone the benefit of the doubt. If you care enough to pay your $15 per month, I assume you care enough to give it at least a marginal effort..... until you give me a reason to think otherwise.

 

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There is no mechanic in any current heroic that requires more than a twitter post to explain. IF you are so inept at basic keyboard use and/or reading comprehension that this is a problem for you (note this you is not addressed at anyone in this thread but rather the imaginary dBag in question), I seriously doubt I want to run a dungeon with you.

 

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Why does there need to be a problem to use a more efficient method of communication?

How hard is it to mail a letter?

How many letters do you mail now a days where you could send an e-mail instead?

There is a quicker response time if you can 'hear' that a mob has changed targets, or that a Pat is coming your way, rather then having to keep an eye on your chat and read it.

Is it hard the other way? No. Is it easier and quicker to just 'say' what you want to say rather then have to type it out? Yes.

It's as simple as that.

 

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I don't and won't use voice chat. Not even installed on this PC. That's because I have used them, and know that I don't like them. I spent much of my time trying to adjust the volume and muting the guy listing desserts and then saying if he does or does not like them.

I doubt I'm the only one that would prefer the TV/music/(gasp) the game sounds to people on vent.

 

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Cawlin, you don't give the average PuG player enough credit imo.

Edit: Not that that's surprising.

 

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siujoey posted:
I guess your views make a little more sense than as well. I also expect that people entering the DF queue are there to be part of a team and do everything possible to help that team succeed. That has been my experience in the overwhelming majority of the groups I have pugged. (I would assume hundreds of times?)

Mostly, I just refuse to believe that the average person is so inept and uncaring that they can really be that much worse at such an easy game. There is no skill in WoW. There is no "talent" for WoW. I just give everyone the benefit of the doubt. If you care enough to pay your $15 per month, I assume you care enough to give it at least a marginal effort..... until you give me a reason to think otherwise.


Azure-TheBlueOne posted:
Cawlin, you don't give the average PuG player enough credit imo.

Edit: Not that that's surprising.


Think about what you both consider "the average".

Now remember that half the people are worse than that.


I have PuGged considerably more than most of you think, probably more than many of you have PuGged yourselves.

I have been in two guild groups since Ulduar came out. Granted I took some time off of the game in there, but I've also leveled about 300 levels worth on several characters with heavy (almost exclusive) use of the dungeon finder, and obtained 5k+ GS on 3 characters, pre Cata.

 

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All I know is I play almost solely through PuG'ing, with a multitude of alts (I imagine I play similarly to Gutter, PvP-minded and a stable of alts), and my success rate is far above any failures I've seen. Otherwise I would've stopped ramming my head into the wall ages ago... which reminds me, playing BGs as Alliance is giving me that exact feeling and wholly reminding me why I rolled Horde back before the Burning Crusade released. plain

 

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Azure-TheBlueOne posted:
All I know is I play almost solely through PuG'ing, with a multitude of alts (I imagine I play similarly to Gutter, PvP-minded and a stable of alts), and my success rate is far above any failures I've seen. Otherwise I would've stopped ramming my head into the wall ages ago... which reminds me, playing BGs as Alliance is giving me that exact feeling and wholly reminding me why I rolled Horde back before the Burning Crusade released. plain


I have played almost solely through PuGging as well for a good bit over a year now.

As for BGs and such, meh, I haven't seriously PvPed since I think Season 3.

 

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Voice wouldn't have to be required by all, per se, just a button you could press that put you in a group with only people with voice enabled.

And of course, this would require Blizzards VC to actually be worth a crap..


It would have to be both.



 

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kyrv posted:
I don't and won't use voice chat. Not even installed on this PC. That's because I have used them, and know that I don't like them. I spent much of my time trying to adjust the volume and muting the guy listing desserts and then saying if he does or does not like them.

I doubt I'm the only one that would prefer the TV/music/(gasp) the game sounds to people on vent.


Agreed.

I've never used/will not use voice chat in a PUG.

I do sometimes hop in vent when doing things with my guild, but even that tires me out at times and I can mute people there if I feel the need.

 

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Cawlin posted:
Think about what you both consider "the average".

Now remember that half the people are worse than that.




And half are better, did you have a point, or was that just informational?

 

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i would never use it for randoms...ever listen to ****suckers on xbox live? im sure it would be about the same. no thanks. ill stick with typing and reading.

 

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I could suffer through the occasional weirdo..


Some things are just better said, than typed...especially in the middle of combat.

 

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Nahh, I had a different title, and somehow wound up with that after changing it.


good ole 3am lack of proofing.

 

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I can see how it would enhance the total random PUG experience though. But be careful about what you ask for too... it means you gonna have to listen to everybody speaking. Everybody. Including the 14 year old brat in green gear who thinks he's the next lich king.


There is a gear check for all instances so how is green gear an issue ? and I doubt all 14 year olds are brats.

 

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There is a gear check for all instances so how is green gear an issue ? and I doubt all 14 year olds are brats.

Agreed that WoW asshats come in all ages, but many ppl just buy whatever gear they don't plan to use but has high ilevel in order to bypass the ilevel req. That ilevel system is a piece of crap.

 

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Cawlin posted:
Anyway, that said, yes I would like to see a voice chat requirement as well, but I've been called an elitist for saying it before as well, and the preponderance of that criticism, even on this board, tells me that my suspicions about the rarity of "PuG" players who play like you do, are accurate.


Calling someone an "elitest" is just a defense mechanism for players who want WoW to be like farmville. As a society, we've taught people that they can be rewarded for mindless tasks, which is an unfortunate problem that has permeated many other aspects of our general lives. Tune something to lowest common denominator and you get a lower quality player/person ... and more of them. Good for the business, bad for the few players who really care.

 

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