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Lets hear some reviews

I only got them chance to play the game to level 9 this last event. I really liked it thought and playing around with my rogue/bard character. Graphics are nice but the quests are like WoWs in content.




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Tag, I am interested to hear some reviews also.

 

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While I abore questing, and Rift has a lot of it, the dynamic aspect of the rift content keeps ANY game time exciting and unpredictable. It is VERY easy to get sidetracked from questing to chase rifts and find yourself an hour later having earned 1/2-3/4 of a lvl.

When rifts do pop, and in the beta they popped a LOT, you'll see squads of players sprinting across the landscape to confront it. Nowhere is safe, as rifts can open in (and attack from without) any town or outpost with the capability to take it over and convert it into a foothold for the element of the rift the mobs came from.

Combat isn't too dynamic from what I played, although the beta has been limited to lvl 20. I'm sure there's a lot more depth to be had once you can break that barrier.

The soul system is pretty awesome. It opens a retarded amount of customization to how you want to play your chosen archetype. I won't get into details, as I'm sure tons will come out now that the NDA has been lifted. But to say it isn't intuitive, is to say the sky is solid.

I didn't touch crafting or PvP, so I can't comment on those.

 

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My computer consists of the basic requirements listed for the game, and I had a hard time playing. I could only achieve 16fps max in an uncrowded area with every setting turned down (at 1680x1050). When I was introduced to crowds of people I would drop down to 3fps. So if you're interested in playing this game then you will have to upgrade to a new machine.

The character customization is really nice. Lets you change them a good portion (face details, tatoos, height, a plethora of colors to chose from for eye/skin color).

Like Arc said, the soul system is pretty damn bad ass. What he didnt mention is as you start moving up the tree and branching out earning new spells you also earn enhancements to your abilities/spells in the roots of the tree.

While in beta alot of the old schoolers complained that the questing was being forced to level. Sorta like WoW, and they wanted an alternate way. IMO I see the rifts that spawn as an alternate way of leveling, grant it they wont be there 24/7...but if left untouched they will grow bigger and take over the area/zone.

 

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I edited my long remarks because I am not sure how much of the previous beta's we can discuss. Will repost if somebody else says they don't care:

-The gameplay is "more of the same".
-What is here is actually fairly well done and high quality.
-Performance is good
-Graphics are good
-UI and responsiveness is good.
-World design/architecture/models are good.
-Character progression seems to be fairly quick and more like WoW and less like Aion but I have no idea how the higher levels are, which is where most MMO's bog down.


My bottom line is this:
I like what I saw and I recomended that people check out the beta if at all possible and check it out. What is here, seems to be very well done. However, I said the exact same thing about Aion and I quit that after 5 weeks.

The main issue I have is that while this is an all new world with nice new textures, the gameplay was nothing different than what I have seen before. The core gameplay is really no different than everything else out there, but I imagine a lot of people won't have any issues with that though. Myself, I am a MMO Vet and would like something "different".

My biggest worries are that this will be a new Aion/Age of Conan/War/etc, meaning it starts out good and ends up sucking due to various issues (grind, slow leveling, only grouping, no content, {insert issue here}). However, I have that worry with every new MMO that comes on the market. For example, I have that same worry for SWTOR.

Incidentally, I recently made a post about how I like Cataclysm but it offers nothing "different". This is what Rift felt like to me, but please note, I have probably dumped 150 hours into Cataclysm already and only 10-20 hours into Rift, so my initial impression of that may be totally off base.

 

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vn_vigilante66 posted:


Lets hear some reviews


It seemed cool but not cool enough to make me skip Cataclysm.

 

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Nice writeup Mith, thanks!

 

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Kinda pissed me off I couldn't write about last weekend. I think technically, you still aren't supposed to write about experiences that were under NDA.

 

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who is making it?

 

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Throughout last weekends event, I never once logged into WoW as I was having a lot of fun chasing Rifts. I am REALLY looking forward to some PvP action and hopefully I will get an invite to that. I was lucky enough to get an invite to the first two events (even though I did not use the first one) so hopefully my luck continues. I'll say this, pretty impressed with the overall quality of the game at this point.

 

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DragonKeeperofThi posted:
who is making it?


Trion Worlds

 

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
DragonKeeperofThi posted:
who is making it?


Trion Worlds


never heard of them, what games have they made?

 

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Rezzinu posted:
My computer consists of the basic requirements listed for the game, and I had a hard time playing. I could only achieve 16fps max in an uncrowded area with every setting turned down (at 1680x1050). When I was introduced to crowds of people I would drop down to 3fps. So if you're interested in playing this game then you will have to upgrade to a new machine.


My computer was 'new' 3 years ago, and the game runs fine for me at a steady 30fps.

 

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
Throughout last weekends event, I never once logged into WoW as I was having a lot of fun chasing Rifts. I am REALLY looking forward to some PvP action and hopefully I will get an invite to that. I was lucky enough to get an invite to the first two events (even though I did not use the first one) so hopefully my luck continues. I'll say this, pretty impressed with the overall quality of the game at this point.


Same, didn't log in once, even with my new main being 3 bubbles from 80. I was having that much fun.

 

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A couple thoughts came to me about the rifts. Rifts are NOT endgame content. I was chasing rifts at level 6, effectively earning experience, rift specific currency and loot. Making friends as well, as I didn't go to a single rift where there weren't already (or arrived with me) at least 5-10 people working on closing it.

The rift content requires players to be roaming the world, readily available to stop an invasion. This isn't a world where you can sit in Org/SW and discuss the merits of anal Thunderfury. Because, by the end of the day, the mobs will have taken over Durotar/Elwynn and be pushing through the gates in numbers and from multiple directions.

 

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The main questions are:

Is forced grouping required to do anything at any point along the way just to advance your character, especially at the top end?

Is the combat responsive like WoW or theoretically responsive like Aion / DAoC?

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If this game doesn't totally blow, let's all roll on the same realm.

 

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Pros

-Combining Classes is a good way to hide some weaknesses of certain classes. Using a Shaman ( melee DPS ) with a Warden or Sentinel allows you to keep yourself and others up. ( Shaman will be really overpowered IMO )

-Particle Effects are good.

-Rifts are a decent distraction at times and look pretty nifty. The best part isnt the rifts themselves but taking out invading parties.

Cons

-Probably the worst quest design I have seem.. Very similar to Warhammer. Do a few quests then are lead by the hand to to the next hub where you do a few more and then move on again.

-World design is very linear and the game world seems extremely small ( again like Warhammer ). Combine that with the previous linear questing and you have a problem. No reason to explore.. World is pretty lifeless. Atleast with LoTRO , EQ2 and WoW the world is large and there are things to see.

Just a single road throughout the whole land.. No do I go left? Right? Or keep going straight? Decisions. Or do I quest at X , Y or Z today? Its always X.

I bet the Commonlands in EQ2 is larger than both the level 1-20 areas in Rift combined.

-Rifts can also be annoying and probably will never be balanced properly. They arent dynamic and so will never react to how many people are participating. Which will end up causing a problem when a Rift pops up / invading party when someone is trying to play and they cant take it out leaving them screwed. Add in that there arent multiple areas to quest / play in ( unlike other games ) and you have another problem.

-Souls also have a downside because many of the same types are exactly the same. You are better off using different types together instead of similar styles. You also cannot pick what soul you want from the beginning. You have a choice of 3 shoved in your face at the start depending on which base class you chose ( Warrior , Cleric , Rogue , Mage ) and then at levels 6 you have some more shoved at you.. All in all you might just be playing the first 18 levels with classes you have no interest in playing. Just like EQ2 before they wised up and changed their class system.

P.S. Clerics are extremely overpowered.

-Performance for me ( and many others judging by the forums ) was downright terrible. No matter the settings I used I could barely crack 20 FPS. I gained MAYBE 2-5 FPS going from Ultra down to Minimum. A definite problem here. ( I pass the recommended requirements btw as do many others who brought it up in the beta forums ) Then you have others with much weaker PCs claiming they get 30-40FPS.

-The drawn out War feeling from level 1 is tiring after awhile just like it was in WAR. Its just a tiring setting.

-The Story is close to a single player adventure than to an MMO. Being told that I am the one to save the world is a bit stupid when the other thousand people before me were told the same thing.

I have read all of the quest text and I have to say that there isnt much story going on. Not enough to actualy mean anything anyway. " We chose you out of a body pile.. Go save the world. Oh but first be an errand boy. " LAME.

I will be staying far away from this game at this point.. If the World / Questing was better it could work but as of now its an exact copy of Warhammer. And worst of all they are using the exact same engine ( Gamebryo ).

Makes me wonder where that 100 million went..

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The main questions are:

Is forced grouping required to do anything at any point along the way just to advance your character, especially at the top end?

Is the combat responsive like WoW or theoretically responsive like Aion / DAoC?

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1. No forced grouping.

2. I found the combat much worse than WoW.

 

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What's the end game supposed to be?

 

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This game looked like a mix of some WoW elements and Warhammer to me. Combat is no where even remotely as responsive as WoW. Graphics are Warhammer carbon copies, in the beta event I was in you could almost think you were in WAR on Chaos side. The world feels very cramped, small and linear (like WAR again). Graphics are decent like WAR, animations are average. Content and quests are basically WoW-like, but WoW 6 years ago at release.
Not really impressed so far.

EDIT: technically, I had no problem. No significant lag, smooth frame rate (Phenom II 940 @ 3.5GHZ + HD 6870), no crashes.

 

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Is this one of those Age of Conan repeats, where everything is just nifty up to level 20 (the part they let you see/test) and then it gets horrific immediately afterwards (which, of course, is why they don't let anyone beta past that level)?

 

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It's a WoW alternative.

The big thing they are trying to push to set the game apart is:
- RIFTs - aka dynamic world content
- Graphics Engine
- Polish from launch

The last part is huge. Most MMOs in their first year don't have all the advanced features, like dual spec and the like, many that WoW didn't have at day 1. Trion is trying to start with WoW as their basis and build rather than something subpar to WoW that will "one day if you are loyal" will be better.

Will they deliever? Hard to say. So far we've only had a few beta previews, which have been very fun. I love betas, which is actually the topic of my next article.

 

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My performance was also extremely good. All settings to Ultra and was smooth as butter (averaged 45 fps) even when we participated in a GM-ran event. It was a massive rift invasion and I was in a full Raid (40 folks) with a few extra groups nearby. The game is a mix of WoW/War/AIon/EQ2. The only new feature I have seen is AoE looting (which I fricken love btw). The rest is their take on the best features of the games mentioned. It is extremely stable, runs very well, and has decent character progression options. It is NOT WoW but then again, do we need another? Not going to kill WoW either, just provide another option. It may end up sucking, it may not, too early to tell for me but it has my attention and I will be watching.

 

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I've always wanted to play an MMO that lets you dual class (kind of like guild wars).

That could be new enough for me grin

 

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I really liked the game and IMHO, it's one of the best MMO's since WoW's release, which isn't saying much, but still.

I think it's better than Aion, Conan, WAR and even Lotro.

Graphics were similar to Conan/Vanguard but it doesn't seem to have zones, seems open like WoW or War.

Combat was responsive and not clunky like Lotro or WAR.

The rifts that spawn are similar to War's public quests.

 

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The world is pretty darn big. We covered a single region from 1-20, the map in its entirety is pretty large for its initial incarnation.

 

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My article is up.

RIFT: The Closed Beta Experience

 

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It's not really a fully open beta, is it? Like, they don't accept everyone who wants to try?

I registered an account but the process seemed to stop there.

 

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I predict a failure. Normally you see a lot of praise and crap like that. I barely see any... only complains. Most people compare the game to WoW and War. The thing when you look at what they want from Rift, why not just go play WoW, it already got everything they want. I havent played the game but looking at the pictures one could easily confuse that game with WAR.

 

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huldu posted:
I predict a failure.


I predict the game will make money (be a success).

huldu posted:
Normally you see a lot of praise and crap like that. I barely see any... only complains.


I rarely see praise for a new game, I've seen quite a bit for this game. Quite surprised actually. Read some good things about DCUO as well. Usually people are overly negative, and do things like predicting failure.

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Most people compare the game to WoW and War.


Not most people. A lot of people compare breakfast cereal to WoW. And every game. WoW is different things for different people. Doesn't take much thought to realize that people's experiences in WoW, and how they play, and how they view WoW, vary greatly from person to person.

So someone telling me it's like WoW is like telling me to try the lasagna, it's like his aunt used to make.

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The thing when you look at what they want from Rift, why not just go play WoW, it already got everything they want.


Or why not play a new game instead of the one you've been playing for several years. Or, why not do what you want. They are different games.

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I havent played the game but looking at the pictures one could easily confuse that game with WAR.


Or one could put their glasses on and see that it's possible to not confuse them entirely.

 

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Rezzinu posted:
My computer consists of the basic requirements listed for the game, and I had a hard time playing. I could only achieve 16fps max in an uncrowded area with every setting turned down (at 1680x1050). When I was introduced to crowds of people I would drop down to 3fps. So if you're interested in playing this game then you will have to upgrade to a new machine.


My computer was 'new' 3 years ago, and the game runs fine for me at a steady 30fps.

What are you running then? I'm running Vista 64 bit, a 8800gt, AMD 9600 (quad core) at 2.3ghz, and 4 gigs of memory.

 

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The 8800 is gonna hurt for this game, imho.

 

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My computer consists of the basic requirements listed for the game, and I had a hard time playing. I could only achieve 16fps max in an uncrowded area with every setting turned down (at 1680x1050). When I was introduced to crowds of people I would drop down to 3fps. So if you're interested in playing this game then you will have to upgrade to a new machine.


My computer was 'new' 3 years ago, and the game runs fine for me at a steady 30fps.

What are you running then? I'm running Vista 64 bit, a 8800gt, AMD 9600 (quad core) at 2.3ghz, and 4 gigs of memory.


8800 is fairly long in the tooth now.

 

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Yeah that's what I was thinking too Sprawl. I'm trying to wait till after Christmas to buy a new card with what ever cash/gift cards I get.

 

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I also posted screenshots of the game on my personal site at the full 1920x1280 "ultra" setting.

http://zsprawl.com/wp/2010/12/ign-rift-the-closed-beta-experience/

 

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My computer consists of the basic requirements listed for the game, and I had a hard time playing. I could only achieve 16fps max in an uncrowded area with every setting turned down (at 1680x1050). When I was introduced to crowds of people I would drop down to 3fps. So if you're interested in playing this game then you will have to upgrade to a new machine.


My computer was 'new' 3 years ago, and the game runs fine for me at a steady 30fps.

What are you running then? I'm running Vista 64 bit, a 8800gt, AMD 9600 (quad core) at 2.3ghz, and 4 gigs of memory.


We're close, except I'm running a amd phenom ii black edition with an ati 5700hd 1gb card

You'll see a drastic difference with a better card.

 

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Is the combat responsive like WoW or theoretically responsive like Aion / DAoC?

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This, one hundred thousand times this. If the UI isn't fairly modern/customizable and the controls uber responsive (see: WoW) the game could have done everything else right and still not be worth playing. The Dance Dance Revolution nonsense of AoC and Aion were perfect examples of getting a lot of aspects right, and the most important aspect wrong.

 

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Skills seemed to activate IMMEDIATELY...Not sure how much better they could make it 'respond' any better. Combat felt fine, but I didn't get a ton of play time in either.

 

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Enjoyed the beta. It feels like 70% WoW 20% Warhammer and 10% EQ2.
Better than WoW? probably not. Best MMO in a long time though.

 

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Skills seemed to activate IMMEDIATELY...Not sure how much better they could make it 'respond' any better. Combat felt fine, but I didn't get a ton of play time in either.


Skills activating immediately is a good start. Do the animations run fluid with the combat? and are the hit boxes balanced? (not too tight like DAoC, or too loose like WAR)

 

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The Class System is what has got me into this game, Basically, Depending on how you build your character, you end up with Classes from previous games.

Some Examples

Paladin - It's a Protection Warrior, Add Warlord Soul to it and you end up with the Knight of the Blazing Sun from Warhammer

Champion - Arms Warrior, Add Beastmaster, and it's a White Lion from WAR

Paragon + Champion - Fury Warrior

Rift Lines (stalker/blade) are spitting images of the Dream Line from Titans Quest

Reaver + Warlord = Chosen from Warhammer

Pyromancer - Cross between a Bright Wizard/Mage from WoW (yes that should give you nightmares)

Cabalist - Cross between a Banshee from DAOC and a Magus from Warhammer

Marksman - It's a Shadow Warrior/Squig, add the Ranger part for a Squig, add Rift Stalker for a Assault Shadow Warrior

Saboteur - Engineer from Warhammer..Grenade one that is, oh yea, Saboteur should always be your third soul no matter what on a Rogue, it's first ability is a area effect snare grenade.

That's all i can think off the top of my head, but a large number of classes from previous games are in this game.. you just gotta know what to look for.

 

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I love games that have a lot of classes. I always felt that wow was lacking in that department.

 

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I will keep my summary short and sweet for now.

Rift is basically WoW without the "Saturday Morning Cartoon" graphics. I think if you enjoy WoW, you will most likely enjoy Rift. The learning curve coming from WoW to Rift will be almost non-existent. There are a couple original things, but nothing that really will make this game "unique".

Overall, I enjoy it, and will be ordering and playing it with my old Vanguard guild.

 

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Yea, what's been said here

It's WoW 2.0

But with a far greater and more interesting class System.

As long as they keep up with Content, they'll do extremely well in the market.

If you go into this game expecting PVP, you'll get it, But don't ever expect it to be Balanced in terms of Specific Souls, Some Souls are just going to wreck in PvP

However, unlike other games, They have an extremely nice class system that doesn't screw you over in the long run.

for instance, I'm going to use the Shadow Warrior/Engineer/BW comparison from WAR.

Lets say you picked one of those 3 classes, you get to 40, and you find out the BW is far greater class then the other 2 will ever be, So you can either reroll, or continue to play your subpar toon and hope they fix the class one day.

That doesn't happen in Rift, using the same 3 examples, you get to max level, find out the specific soul you picked Blows, well you can just create 1 of 4 different Soul Specs, So can switch Directly over to the BW and blow crap up, and if they ever fix the Soul you wanted to play, you can instantly switch back over.

 

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Calling this game WoW 2.0 is narrow sighted and insulting.

 

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The games class system is what has me interested the most, in WoW they have completely removed any ability to think for yourself like hybrid talent builds, thus I look forward to some real experimentation with it.

I hope this game will have a huge amount of success not as much for the developer, as for the entire MMO gaming community.

I would think even the most die hard WOW fans would be hoping for this games success after the mega complacent Blizzard just fed everyone an expansion that for the overwhelming player following and massive resources they have and should have put in to it is really nothing more than a poorly thought out, void of innovation, re-hatched, re-packaged, the very least we could do and call it an expansion, bowl of slop! Of course we the MMO community had to lap it up because there is really nothing else and Blizz knows it.

This game being that something else would be the best thing that could happen to this industry.

 

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Rift is more like another WoW 0.5 or eventually 0.75. But WoW 2.0? Nope, definitely not, not even remotely close. At least not in its actual state in the beta.

 

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What about stealth or caster invisibility - any of that in game?

Is it permadeath or just more carebear play? grin

 

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Rift is more like another WoW 0.5 or eventually 0.75. But WoW 2.0? Nope, definitely not, not even remotely close. At least not in its actual state in the beta.


Rofl, if you say so bud..

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Rift is more like another WoW 0.5 or eventually 0.75. But WoW 2.0? Nope, definitely not, not even remotely close. At least not in its actual state in the beta.

What is wrong in the beta? I felt like it was the most polished a beta has been in years.

 

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Rift is more like another WoW 0.5 or eventually 0.75. But WoW 2.0? Nope, definitely not, not even remotely close. At least not in its actual state in the beta.

What is wrong in the beta? I felt like it was the most polished a beta has been in years.
Nothing WRONG with the beta, see my first post in the thread for my short review. I'm just not impressed by it.
Definitely not a bad beta, as I said, technically it's very stable, and I've seen WAY worse. The game is just "meh", but it's not because technical problems or even lack of content. It's just bland.

EDIT and PS: it's of course only MY opinion of the game, nice to have different views on it. It just gives me the same impression than Conan and WAR... just not even remotely good enough.

 

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Rift is more like another WoW 0.5 or eventually 0.75. But WoW 2.0? Nope, definitely not, not even remotely close. At least not in its actual state in the beta.


Rofl, if you say so bud..

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Calling this game WoW 2.0 is narrow sighted and insulting.


Not to mention, obviously inaccurate.

 

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Calling this game WoW 2.0 is narrow sighted and insulting.


Not to mention, obviously inaccurate.



Exactly, thank you.

 

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I really enjoyed the beta. I'll probably buy it come release simply because I think I'll be done with Cataclysm by that time. I'm gonna roll a champion. Had fun in the beta on one.

 

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I really enjoyed the beta. I'll probably buy it come release simply because I think I'll be done with Cataclysm by that time. I'm gonna roll a champion. Had fun in the beta on one.


I'll probably pick it up too, plan on playing a Cabalist happy

 

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MinionX-DW posted:
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Rift is more like another WoW 0.5 or eventually 0.75. But WoW 2.0? Nope, definitely not, not even remotely close. At least not in its actual state in the beta.


Rofl, if you say so bud..

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Oh the irony here, it is palpable.


hey Tai, how you been..

how's Aion doing?

rofl..

 

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hey Tai, how you been..

how's Aion doing?

rofl..


How's Warhammer?

Regardless, if Warcraft starts to trickle to nothing come the end game, I might try this one. Just hope it's not another epic disappointment.

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some of the class combinations are gonna be really awesome in pve for sure

for some other examples that havent been listed here so far

from WOW, (Pre Cata), imagine playing a Fire Mage, Shadow Priest build, doing major dps while vamp healing your raid

you can with the Pyromancer/Chloromancer build.

Imagine playing a 2h Axe wielding Shaman, that can tank and heal his party with hots

Shaman/Justicar/Warden might just be up your ally.

this game could still be so much better, the Pet system is very weak, the crafting system is just as boring as WOW, and both of those aspects need improvement.

But one thing I know for sure, TRION is definitely listening to its testers, I have never seen so many changes so fast from Beta 1 to Beta 2, and now from Beta 2 to Beta 3 starting Dec 28, there is even more changes. Example, Rift originally was slated to be released with you only having 3 souls to chose from your archetype at launch, with your 2nd soul at level 6, now they are allowing all starting souls at start. Originally you got 51 soul points at 50, now then have upped it to 60, because people really want more balanced variety.

They listen, they work with the community, and are putting out a polished product. I too also ran (Like Sprawl) around 25-40 FPS, and normally in every game that is unacceptable, but in RIFT I never lagged 1x even when over 50+ players in an area.

 

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Assassin + Riftstalker = Ass-stalker??

 

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Not that there is anything wrong with that...

 

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I predict a failure. Normally you see a lot of praise and crap like that. I barely see any... only complains. Most people compare the game to WoW and War. The thing when you look at what they want from Rift, why not just go play WoW, it already got everything they want. I havent played the game but looking at the pictures one could easily confuse that game with WAR.

I don't see how you're easily confusing this game with WAR. I've played both and see no similarities in graphics. Also, I do not see goblins running around in RIFT, or tiers you have to advance through (while looking at the map). If you're just saying you can compare the two because they're MMO's then ok, I can understand you there.

The reason people dont want to play WoW anymore is because it's old and stale. Refurbished content just with a different color coating. It's time for a much needed change.

How are you predicting failure already? On people not saying anything because they were under a NDA? Is your margin of success set at 8 million subscribers/box sales? If so then you need to get off of Blizzards cock and expand your horizon.

Another thing, the game is in beta and is polished. That right there speaks a lot more then any other game that has released in the past few years. These developers obviously care what we (the player-base) think and are making improvements as the beta advances.

 

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[quote=The_Korrigan]Rift is more like another WoW 0.5 or eventually 0.75. But WoW 2.0? Nope, definitely not, not even remotely close. At least not in its actual state in the beta.


Rofl, if you say so bud..

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hey Tai, how you been..

how's Aion doing?

rofl..

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Got my moneys worth out of it, all I care about.

How goes WAR? Free to play yet?

roflcopter or whatever it is you kids say these days, really hard to keep up ya know.

 

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Coincidentally, I checked my e-mail today and got a Rift invite for the 28th.

 

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how's Aion doing?

rofl..



Aion is making money hand over fist (giggety).

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Oh are we not able to try it until the 28th? That would explain the no shards thing...

 

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I'm definitely trying this one out. WoW certainly isn't offering anything new for the next couple of years.


The whole freedom to make whatever class combos you want is the biggest draw for me.




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One thing I forgot to add:


I HATE the voice for the Guardian guy (in the movies and in some of the beggining area quests).

It sounds like some guy was taking a s*** at the same time he was recording the voice.

They should change this.  Its annoying.

 

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kyrv posted:
MinionX-DW posted:


how's Aion doing?

rofl..



Aion is making money hand over fist (giggety).

rofl..


In Asia, I just found it funny that i said the game was going to fail in the states, and it did..

Despite people like Tai telling me I knew nothing.

But hey, he got his money worth lol..

 

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So, does your armor match through all levels, or does it look like mis colored clown suits?


This is a game breaker and inquiring minds want to know?!

 

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So I'm assuming no one knows what the end-game is? Everyone just wants a new shiny to distract them for a month or two? =)

 

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The armor sets looked similar as I upgrade pieces and didn't look bad. This game isn't like WoW (or War) with big red or orange shoulders with teeth on them or green chain leggings. For plate and mail, it looks like metal, silver, copperish, etc.

The graphics are similar to Age of Conan or Vanguard. Lots of lighting, shadows, etc.

I only got to 12 but I didn't look like a WoW "clown" at all.

 

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If I remember, it was pretty unanimously felt that you knew nothing. I have seen nothing since to prove them wrong, especially your avid defense of WAR. That was what caused me to laugh at you of all people calling others fanboys mischief

 

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
If I remember, it was pretty unanimously felt that you knew nothing. I have seen nothing since to prove them wrong, especially your avid defense of WAR. That was what caused me to laugh at you of all people calling others fanboys mischief


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I'm definitely trying this one out. WoW certainly isn't offering anything new for the next couple of years.


The whole freedom to make whatever class combos you want is the biggest draw for me.




QUESTION: Does your armor match as you level, or do you have all the mis-colored/mis-matched clown vomit look like in WoW?


Runes of Magic has different appearances (yay) and dual classing which I find really fun. It is a RMT game.

Maybe if we petition Rift we can get an appearance tab. happy

 

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If I remember, it was pretty unanimously felt that you knew nothing. I have seen nothing since to prove them wrong, especially your avid defense of WAR. That was what caused me to laugh at you of all people calling others fanboys

Kind of an aside as it has nothing to do with you except that you mentioned fanboys, but I always felt the worst fanboys are those that log into a game and proceed to talk about how (insert latest MMO game) is a WoW Killer.  God I hate that. 

I noticed there was a lot less of that idiocy in Rift, though it still existed.

 

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If I remember, it was pretty unanimously felt that you knew nothing. I have seen nothing since to prove them wrong, especially your avid defense of WAR. That was what caused me to laugh at you of all people calling others fanboys mischief


You mean the fanboi's on the Aion boards thought I was wrong?

Go figure.. you'd never think that..

But oh wait, Aion was a massive Failure over here, and turned out to be a Huge grindy joke.. just like I said it was going to be... with even worse pvp then the ill fated Warhammer..

Not my fault you were to caught up in fanboi heaven to see the truth.

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No one knows what end game is at the level cap is only level 20. And I agree Mithan. I started to laugh actually because it tried to sound so serious and ended up not being so serious. Its the classic you are the hero, you are the only one, you can do anything! type deal

 

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There is a Rift End Game podcast here:
http://www.riftpodcast.com/blog/2010/12/16/a-visit-to-trion-the-endgame-the-people-and-the-experience.html

From what I have read, there will be:
2 Raids
Several dungeons (including heroic modes)
PVP
Some rep grinding type stuff like WoW but I could be wrong on that last.
Rift Raids. 



There will be two raid instances at launch, and multiple Raid Rifts. I’ve seen them. Now, I am under NDA, so there is only so much I’m permitted to say about what I saw. I can, however, say that I saw both the smaller and the large (read massively huge) Raid Instance zones. The bosses I saw in action looked to be quite complex, and definitely not a tank and spank operation. There’s going to be a lot of coordination required by raid forces to defeat some of these. These instances made me fangirl squee, I have to admit it. Hey – everyone has their vices! Just seeing mostly and almost completed Raid content awaiting tweaks and polish was enough to give me a sigh of relief. And then there were the Raid Rifts.


Now, I know there’s been a bit of flack given to the team about the rifts experienced in beta 1. The Raid Rifts I saw were magnificent, difficult, damn impressive – and undergoing some final tweaks before they get released onto the testing servers. I saw two 95% complete ones. A life rift and a fire rift. Both of these require coordination from raid members. These are not tank and spanks, these are encounters that will require different actions from multiple players in order to achieve a cleared stage. The first stage of that fire rift blew me away and made me think it’s going to take a fair bit of trial and error before a 20 man Raid squad can kill it. Granted, being a raid rift, you can bring 40 people if you like – but where’s the fun in that

If the two raid rifts are anything to go by, and I do believe they are, I can’t wait to see what they do with the mechanic in the future. Seeing the EndGame, actual, playable Endgame went a long way to alleviating concerns about the longevity of RIFT.

 

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What's with the obsession with making every raid an elaborate dance routine with gimmicks coming out the wazoo?

Hey I get that some people want to be challenged as a player for their skill at "move here, don't stand in the fire there". But there is something to be said for encounters that are simply a challenge to the character instead of the player. It feels GOOD when you get your character to the point where he or she is succeeding because of your previous efforts to improve him or her.

Tank and spank is NOT a bad thing.

 

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That is a lot of gum flapping just to avoid discussing the state of WAR. You know, the game we figured would flop that you so avidly defended? So, how are things over there these days? Just curious.

 

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One thing I forgot to add:


I HATE the voice for the Guardian guy (in the movies and in some of the beggining area quests).

It sounds like some guy was taking a s*** at the same time he was recording the voice.

They should change this.  Its annoying. 


that was a placeholder voice, the Guardian Intro voice is being done by Randy "Macho Man" Savage, eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww yaaaaaaaaaaa

 

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What's with the obsession with making every raid an elaborate dance routine with gimmicks coming out the wazoo?

Hey I get that some people want to be challenged as a player for their skill at "move here, don't stand in the fire there". But there is something to be said for encounters that are simply a challenge to the character instead of the player. It feels GOOD when you get your character to the point where he or she is succeeding because of your previous efforts to improve him or her.

Tank and spank is NOT a bad thing.


I'm curious how players feel, especially raiders, but scripted (repeat) encounters seem very anti-MMORPG to me. I'm with you there.

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Re Aion, I think people predicted it would be better than Warhammer, which it is. Or at least more players voting with their wallets say it is.

 

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Ok, so I read a lot on the rift boards this morning.

More questions:


I take it your character can be multiple classes WITHIN the archtype (warrior, or cleric, or rogue etc.) but you cannot cross over archtypes correct? Like I cannot combo a Champion and say, Ranger.


But I could be a Champion/Paladin/Reaver if I wanted, since they are all warrior archtypes?

 

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Ok, so I read a lot on the rift boards this morning.

More questions:


I take it your character can be multiple classes WITHIN the archtype (warrior, or cleric, or rogue etc.) but you cannot cross over archtypes correct? Like I cannot combo a Champion and say, Ranger.


But I could be a Champion/Paladin/Reaver if I wanted, since they are all warrior archtypes?





Ooh you can combine three classes? For some reason I assumed it was two.

The archetype thing does make sense for balance reasons but I hope that's not the case.

 

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You first pick warrior, mage, cleric, or rogue.

Then you can pick three out of the eight available souls for that archtype. Not all 8 are available yet, and that number may change. You get 4 "roles" (aka dual specs) that allow you to change your spec, bars, etc. on the fly. So I had a tank role with a little dps thrown in, and a dps roll with a little tanking thrown in, and I had an assassin with a little bard action going on, but level 20. It was pretty neat!

You can't cross archtypes as of now, they they are toying with the idea in some sort of dimished capacity.

 

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It is worth saying that Aion was a successful game for me. I enjoyed the 5 months I played very much. What I didn't enjoy was the endgame, but that is okay. It's kinda sad to see it failing now, and I believe it is due to the endgame.

War on the other hand was not as much fun. I played the beta, PvPed a bunch on really unbalanced terms, and then quit. War is f2p now, isn't it? That should pretty much explain its current state.

RIFT I believe will be more like Aion was for me. I will have fun, it will be awesome for a while, but eventually I will get to the endgame and end up doing the same-ol same-ol, so I will quit. I'm ready to be proven wrong though!!

 

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I liked Aion. It was grindy, but it wasn't a knuckle gnawing sit in a spot and pull all day grinding like DAoC was. I wish I hadn't had to deal with NCSoft as I might have played longer.

 

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You first pick warrior, mage, cleric, or rogue.

Then you can pick three out of the eight available souls for that archtype. Not all 8 are available yet, and that number may change. You get 4 "roles" (aka dual specs) that allow you to change your spec, bars, etc. on the fly. So I had a tank role with a little dps thrown in, and a dps roll with a little tanking thrown in, and I had an assassin with a little bard action going on, but level 20. It was pretty neat!

You can't cross archtypes as of now, they they are toying with the idea in some sort of dimished capacity.


all 8 are available bud

I played all 32 classes in the betas

each archetype also has a pvp soul available also

so there are 36 so far, and they said eventually they can see having up to 100

 

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I liked Aion too, and i didn't mind the grind that much, what bothered me more was the crazy amount of botting, now i don't really care how others level up, but when entire spawn areas are just being wiped out by 5 bots 24/7 then its a problem.

 

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I really like Rift's graphics and general presentation. It's very WoW-y, but that's a good thing to me: means it's easy to pick up and play, and very intuitive. The calling and class structure is particularly good - pretty much like having three different mini-talent trees. Hopefully it'll be relatively easy to balance. The gameplay is very dynamic, and I like the movement and general choice of spells characters have. It's definitely very appealing to WoW players, and if you're after something different, it certainly delivers plenty of excitement over the short-term. If they can make a decent endgame, this one might be a sleeper.

 

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Myrdynn posted:
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You first pick warrior, mage, cleric, or rogue.

Then you can pick three out of the eight available souls for that archtype. Not all 8 are available yet, and that number may change. You get 4 "roles" (aka dual specs) that allow you to change your spec, bars, etc. on the fly. So I had a tank role with a little dps thrown in, and a dps roll with a little tanking thrown in, and I had an assassin with a little bard action going on, but level 20. It was pretty neat!

You can't cross archtypes as of now, they they are toying with the idea in some sort of dimished capacity.


all 8 are available bud

I played all 32 classes in the betas

each archetype also has a pvp soul available also

so there are 36 so far, and they said eventually they can see having up to 100

Right on. I can't wait to check more out on the 28th!

 

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That is a lot of gum flapping just to avoid discussing the state of WAR. You know, the game we figured would flop that you so avidly defended? So, how are things over there these days? Just curious.


you mean the game that ended up with better pvp then Aion and just released an expansion, is that the game you're talking about?

 

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you mean the game that ended up with better pvp then Aion and just released an expansion, is that the game you're talking about?


Are you seriously trolling a moderator? For God's sakes, both games sucked. Drop it already and stay on topic.

 

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It is worth saying that Aion was a successful game for me. I enjoyed the 5 months I played very much. What I didn't enjoy was the endgame, but that is okay. It's kinda sad to see it failing now, and I believe it is due to the endgame.

War on the other hand was not as much fun. I played the beta, PvPed a bunch on really unbalanced terms, and then quit. War is f2p now, isn't it? That should pretty much explain its current state.

RIFT I believe will be more like Aion was for me. I will have fun, it will be awesome for a while, but eventually I will get to the endgame and end up doing the same-ol same-ol, so I will quit. I'm ready to be proven wrong though!!


The fact you think WAR is f2p now tells me how much your opinion on gaming should mean to me.

 

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you mean the game that ended up with better pvp then Aion and just released an expansion, is that the game you're talking about?


Are you seriously trolling a moderator? For God's sakes, both games sucked. Drop it already and stay on topic.


We'll ignore the part where he opened his mouth first towards me, and focus on the part of you calling him a Moderator, He's a not moderator... I can point you to his post history to show you how much of a Moderator he isn't.


 

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Do you want me to call you out?

 

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Do you want me to call you out?


Do you want me to call you out? If you like, I'll focus all my attention on you instead buddy boy.

 

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Go ahead.


"I left about a month ago. Strangely enough, no withdrawl or desire to return. That surprised me because I really enjoyed the game.

Maybe I'm MMOed out.

While watching that sweet APB trailer, I thought about Aion again and decided to look over the old VN boards.

Nearly fifteen posts on the front page about bots tells me it was the right choice to stay away.

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Oh look, the Dark Ages of Failhammer troll is still here...
It's you who are on feeding duty today, Arden? wink

 

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Oh look, the Dark Ages of Failhammer troll is still here...
It's you who are on feeding duty today, Arden? wink


Hey look, it's the WoW Fanboi of this board.

Still mad I said your game looks like TOA?

In fact... now that i think about it

Isn't there an entire post on this forum on something similar?

http://vnboards.ign.com/world_of_warcraft_general_board/b19789/114199223/p1/?74

 

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I'm waiting for you to get to the point.


The point of you thought Aion was a great game, then thought APB looked awesome?

Yea.... APB....

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Oh look, the Dark Ages of Failhammer troll is still here...
It's you who are on feeding duty today, Arden? wink
Hey look, it's the WoW Fanboi of this board.

Still mad I said your game looks like TOA?
Your ego is really oversized if you hope to make me even remotely mad with your pitiful troll skills. The are some decent trolls on this forum, and it's not the most visible ones either, but you aren't even remotely good at it, barely a pup not even worthy to join the kindergarten hero crowd, way too raw.
Hint: calling people "fanboy" repeatedly is far from being enough to make you a decent troll.

 

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Very well.

Let me be clear: I don't wrap my entire life and self-worth around a computer game. At any time, I can walk away and never return. They are games and nothing more. Any opposing opinions to the game are not personal attacks against me. I never feel this way about my entertainment.

You do.

It's pathetic.

And you have the gall to call someone else out on this when you think 'their' game fails? That's why Tai pointed this out.

People in glass houses need to shut the hell up.

Quit projecting, get over your bruised ego, and quit derailing the damn topic.

This thread is about Rifts. Discuss that and quit looking for a fight because you're not going to win one here.

And yes, I may try this one too. It looks interesting. And if it fails?

I'll leave.

I won't linger on its board and defend the game on another board for whatever delusional reasons I conjure due to perceived slights about my game of choice.

Seriously. Get over it.

 

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MinionX-DW posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
Oh look, the Dark Ages of Failhammer troll is still here...
It's you who are on feeding duty today, Arden? wink
Hey look, it's the WoW Fanboi of this board.

Still mad I said your game looks like TOA?
Your ego is really oversized if you hope to make me even remotely mad with your pitiful troll skills. The are some decent trolls on this forum, and it's not the most visible ones either, but you aren't even remotely good at it, barely a pup not even worthy to join the kindergarten hero crowd, way too raw.
Hint: calling people "fanboy" repeatedly is far from being enough to make you a decent troll.


Rofl, and yet you've posted what is it? 3 or 4 times in response to me? Yea.. not mad at all...

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Rofl, and yet you've posted what is it? 3 or 4 times in response to me? Yea.. not mad at all...

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Oh, not mad, just amused. Each time, you post a new stupidity, so I try again to see what comes next. You're not very imaginative, sadly, and it becomes a bit repetitive now. Please, surprise me in your next post!

 

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Very well.

Let me be clear: I don't wrap my entire life and self-worth around a computer game. At any time, I can walk away and never return. They are games and nothing more. Any opposing opinions to the game are not personal attacks against me. I never feel this way about my entertainment.

You do.

It's pathetic.

And you have to gall to call someone else out on this when you think 'their' game fails? That's why Tai pointed this out.

People in glass houses need to shut the hell up.

Quit projecting, get over your bruised ego, and quit derailing the damn topic.

This thread is about Rifts. Discuss that and quit looking for a fight because you're not going to win one here.

And yes, I may try this one too. It looks interesting. And if it fails?

I'll leave.

I won't linger on its board and defend the game on another board for whatever delusional reasons I conjure due to perceived slights about my game of choice.

Seriously. Get over it.


Rofl..My favorite part about your whine just now, was the whole " I don't wrap my entire life and self-worth around a computer game. At any time, I can walk away and never return."

and yet, you posted on the War forums if I recall up until November, despite not having played the game in a very long time, You must think walking away means something different then what I think it means.

As for me laughing at people when their game fails, that probably comes from the fact that the people I laughed at, ran their mouth on the WAR forums for months on end, (you included) then went to Aion thinking it was the second coming, and crushing your dream of that Second coming was a real nice time for me.

Me laughing at Tai pretty much relates to that, The guy went out of his way to threaten anyone who talked bad about Aion, even defending some of the very same board trolls that still post on the War forums today. Now aion has failed over in the west, I like to point that out because it's amusing that he wasted all his time on it.

Hell, if you really want a laugh, just look at his Responses, which consisted of him going straight to bashing WAR (which I never understood why people on these forums go straight to bashing WAR like it's going to insult me somehow) because I laughed at Aion.

Hell even you decided to call WAR my game, a game which I will bash just as much as anyone else if I think it's deserving of it (and trust me, They deserve quite a bit of bashing).

So anyway, Enjoy your hurt feelings.. glad I could assist in ruining your day on Christmas..

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Rofl, and yet you've posted what is it? 3 or 4 times in response to me? Yea.. not mad at all...

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Oh, not mad, just amused. Each time, you post a new stupidity, so I try again to see what comes next. You're not very imaginative, sadly, and it becomes a bit repetitive now. Please, surprise me in your next post!


Wait Wait, tell us more how WoW is the greatest game ever, It was interesting the first time ya did it...

You're the angryranger of this forum buddy boy...

 

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What I said: not even worthy to enter the kindergarten hero group.
Unimaginative, repetitive, rude for the sake of being rude.

Come on, you can do better.

(PS: maybe he'll take me to 20k posts this way... tongue )

 

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What I said: not even worthy to enter the kindergarten hero group.
Unimaginative, repetitive, rude for the sake of being rude.

Come on, you can do better.

(PS: maybe he'll take me to 20k posts this way... tongue )


rofl..

"This is the thing that always cracks me up the most. Fanbois froth at the mouth no matter how legitimate and civilized the criticisms are discussed. Notice how this entire thread was completely about game issues until Korrigan showed up as usual choking on his mouthful of blizzard, THEN it became about the posters."

Think that about sums up you Korrigan, Though I gotta tell you, watching you post on that very thread after I posted it on this thread cracks me up..

I all but have to say WoW sucks, and it'll get you to go crazy...

 

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You need to ask the question before you decide you know why a person posts on a certain board. I cannot speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself.

I returned to the Warhammer Boards when Mythic offered their Endless Trial. After I did the first tier with my Magus, looked over the changes, I quit.

And never returned.

So, as you can see, your thoughts on that are completely incorrect and assumptive.

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As for me laughing at people when their game fails, that probably comes from the fact that the people I laughed at, ran their mouth on the WAR forums for months on end, (you included) then went to Aion thinking it was the second coming, and crushing your dream of that Second coming was a real nice time for me.


You realize you just confessed to everything I said prior about self-worth and linking yourself to a game as personal, don't you?

Also, may I ask how it is possible for a random, board warrior to 'ruin Christmas for you'?

And be glad of it?

Minion, I don't care about you. I don't think about you. I'm just giving you the rope to continue to hang yourself.

I'm calling you out because you pretty much asked.

 

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rofl..

"This is the thing that always cracks me up the most. Fanbois froth at the mouth no matter how legitimate and civilized the criticisms are discussed. Notice how this entire thread was completely about game issues until Korrigan showed up as usual choking on his mouthful of blizzard, THEN it became about the posters."

Think that about sums up you Korrigan, Though I gotta tell you, watching you post on that very thread after I posted it on this thread cracks me up..

I all but have to say WoW sucks, and it'll get you to go crazy...
As I already said, only your oversized ego makes you believe I'm mad. You don't see me behind my screen, it's only wishful thinkings you have. The only think you "make me" is wonder how far in stupidity and in the "pot calling the kettle black" syndrome you gonna go before you eventually give up.

But if it can make you feel better about the failures of games you support, I can offer you this as a xmas gift: please keep on believing you make me mad, enjoy yourself. Your gaming life doesn't seem to be much fun beside that anyway. It must be hard to play failure after failure after failure...
And you entertain me in return, so no need to thank me, it's a pleasure.

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Minion, I don't care about you. I don't think about you. I'm just giving you the rope to continue to hang yourself.
Exactly. And it's kinda fun to do so happy

 

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You need to ask the question before you decide you know why a person posts on a certain board. I cannot speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself.

I returned to the Warhammer Boards when Mythic offered their Endless Trial. After I did the first tier with my Magus, looked over the changes, I quit.

And never returned.

So, as you can see, your thoughts on that are completely incorrect and assumptive.

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As for me laughing at people when their game fails, that probably comes from the fact that the people I laughed at, ran their mouth on the WAR forums for months on end, (you included) then went to Aion thinking it was the second coming, and crushing your dream of that Second coming was a real nice time for me.


You realize you just confessed to everything I said prior about self-worth and linking yourself to a game as personal, don't you?

Also, may I ask how it is possible for a random, board warrior to 'ruin Christmas for you'?

And be glad of it?

Minion, I don't care about you. I don't think about you. I'm just giving you the rope to continue to hang yourself.

I'm calling you out because you pretty much asked.


Arden you don't quite understand what I'm saying when I laugh at people for running their mouth on the WAR Forums, It has nothing to do with liking or disliking a game.. No.. You keep trying to link me with WAR like I'm somehow insulted by it.. But anyway, It has everything to do with calling people out for stupid crap they do on one board, while doing the exact same thing on another.

I didn't bash those people because i loved WAR, I bashed those people because they were idiots who got offended when i bashed the "game" they loved.

It's like when I bash WoW, We know korrigen is going to come to the defense because he's a silly silly man.

Despite there being some obvious complaints about this expansion pack, Does that make WoW terrible.. no.. But if you tell him say.. Tol Barad is the biggest joke of a pvp zone i've seen in a MMO, he'll probably defend it to the bitter end.

As for you returning to WAR, dude.. you have a post history, spare me the BS.. you were on the bash train with your bff angryranger.... If you don't want people to call you out on being a troll on one forum, don't troll..

Anyway, keep trying to pretend WAR is my favorite game ever (which i clearly have stated in the past I don't consider it the best game on the market, or the best game ever)

Given the choice between Aion and WAR though, I'd choose WAR... cause Aion was a sad sad joke..

 

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rofl..

"This is the thing that always cracks me up the most. Fanbois froth at the mouth no matter how legitimate and civilized the criticisms are discussed. Notice how this entire thread was completely about game issues until Korrigan showed up as usual choking on his mouthful of blizzard, THEN it became about the posters."

Think that about sums up you Korrigan, Though I gotta tell you, watching you post on that very thread after I posted it on this thread cracks me up..

I all but have to say WoW sucks, and it'll get you to go crazy...
As I already said, only your oversized ego makes you believe I'm mad. You don't see me behind my screen, it's only wishful thinkings you have. The only think you "make me" is wonder how far in stupidity and in the "pot calling the kettle black" syndrome you gonna go before you eventually give up.

But if it can make you feel better about the failures of games you support, I can offer you this as a xmas gift: please keep on believing you make me mad, enjoy yourself. Your gaming life doesn't seem to be much fun beside that anyway. It must be hard to play failure after failure after failure...
And you entertain me in return, so no need to thank me, it's a pleasure.

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Minion, I don't care about you. I don't think about you. I'm just giving you the rope to continue to hang yourself.
Exactly. And it's kinda fun to do so happy


Korrigan, you hang on my every word because i'm laughing at your silly game..

I'm sorry, but this like extension (the new war expansion was more of an expansion then Cataclysm, and that's saying something) look like a knock off of TOA.. though TOA had more content, and frankly was more open ended...not on rails like the current WoW expansion.

Though I don't think this Expansion will come close to killing WoW, it has brought down the fun of the game though to an all time low..

 

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^^ This is like watching the Three Stooges slap, punch and pull each others hair out in clumps! haha tongue

j/k you guys! hugs

Everyone has their own opinions, I cant figure out why other people get so hurt over them!

Have a great xmas all! happy

 

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lol, it's good to see someone else who can get Arden and Korrigan posting with their eyes closed and nose in the air

As for him trolling Tai, try rereading the thread, Tai trolled him first. I almost made a comment about a moderator posting in such a way, but figured I would see if Minion could handle himself. It's satisfying to see someone else on this board who can juggle a moderator and two anti-trolls as easily as I do.

Keep up the good work Minion happy

 

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So I'm looking at making 3 toons, warrior, mage, rogue.


Then going Champion/Reaver/Paragon on my warrior

Ranger/Assassin/Blade Dancer on my rogue

and Necromancer/Warlock/Elementalist on my mage.


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When are the mods going to nut up and ban this idiot?
Only one? tongue

 

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When are the mods going to nut up and ban this idiot?


Mod Baiting.. ban him! grin

 

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