Trigeminal posted:

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So I see this guy on TV promoting Cataclysm on some random computer gaming show and I just want to punch him in the face. Why would he bother me to the point where I risk breaking my TV? Osama Bin Laden, Kim Jong Il, etc. don't illicit this response from me. Why does some narcissitic punk from Blizzard upset me so much? I'm off to my therapy session. Catch y'all later.

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Trigeminal posted:

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So I see this guy on TV promoting Cataclysm on some random computer gaming show and I just want to punch him in the face. Why would he bother me to the point where I risk breaking my TV?

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-MrBean- posted:

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Wasn't he the guy that got the job because he was a hardcore raider in EQ?

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

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Because he is a pencil dragger and we all feel (many correctly) that we could do his job better than he can.

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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I had lunch with the guy earlier this year and thought he was really cool. He plays WoW and feels passionately about it, just like the rest of us. I guess the difference is that he can do something about things he doesn't like...

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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I had lunch with the guy earlier this year and thought he was really cool. He plays WoW and feels passionately about it, just like the rest of us. I guess the difference is that he can do something about things he doesn't like...

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And there is the problem; the very moment you start playing the game, choosing a faction, picking a main toon etc... you both consciously and subconsciously develop biases its human nature. The very fact he plays WoW and feels passionately about means he has rendered himself incapable of doing his job, his unbiased perspective is gone.

He really has no business making any faction for class balancing/altering decisions whatsoever,and it is because he is that things have been such an on going clusterblank since BC.

The guy is the most hated person in the gaming industry and its clearly of his own ignorance.

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Spookysheep posted:

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His ignorance and arrogance.. Its passable to be arrogant if you actually know what you are talking about. But when an idiot is arrogant about his ignorance, and has the ability to influence the direction, its a recipe for a presidential candidate.

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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I had lunch with the guy earlier this year and thought he was really cool. He plays WoW and feels passionately about it, just like the rest of us. I guess the difference is that he can do something about things he doesn't like...

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And there is the problem; the very moment you start playing the game, choosing a faction, picking a main toon etc... you both consciously and subconsciously develop biases its human nature. The very fact he plays WoW and feels passionately about means he has rendered himself incapable of doing his job, his unbiased perspective is gone.

He really has no business making any faction for class balancing/altering decisions whatsoever,and it is because he is that things have been such an on going clusterblank since BC.

The guy is the most hated person in the gaming industry and its clearly of his own ignorance.

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Sociop posted:

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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I had lunch with the guy earlier this year and thought he was really cool. He plays WoW and feels passionately about it, just like the rest of us. I guess the difference is that he can do something about things he doesn't like...

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And there is the problem; the very moment you start playing the game, choosing a faction, picking a main toon etc... you both consciously and subconsciously develop biases its human nature. The very fact he plays WoW and feels passionately about means he has rendered himself incapable of doing his job, his unbiased perspective is gone.

He really has no business making any faction for class balancing/altering decisions whatsoever,and it is because he is that things have been such an on going clusterblank since BC.

The guy is the most hated person in the gaming industry and its clearly of his own ignorance.

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Sociop posted:

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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I had lunch with the guy earlier this year and thought he was really cool. He plays WoW and feels passionately about it, just like the rest of us. I guess the difference is that he can do something about things he doesn't like...

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And there is the problem; the very moment you start playing the game, choosing a faction, picking a main toon etc... you both consciously and subconsciously develop biases its human nature. The very fact he plays WoW and feels passionately about means he has rendered himself incapable of doing his job, his unbiased perspective is gone.

He really has no business making any faction for class balancing/altering decisions whatsoever,and it is because he is that things have been such an on going clusterblank since BC.

The guy is the most hated person in the gaming industry and its clearly of his own ignorance.

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Are you saying that the Devs should not also be players? If so I strongly disagree.

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Sociop posted:

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In my opinion no one employed at Blizzard from the CEO down should be allowed to play the game as it just breeds biases in a place where none can exist if they are to ever have a remotely balanced game.

One does not need to be able to fly a jumbo jet to build one, one does not have to had gone in to space to plan a space mission, nor does one have to be infected with a disease in order to find a cure and you do not need to play a game in order to develop for one. All you really need is data gathering/interpreting and observation abilities.

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

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Because he is a pencil dragger and we all feel (many correctly) that we could do his job better than he can.

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I laughed at the "many correctly" part... I hope you weren't serious, even though I strongly suspect you actually were.

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

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The_Korrigan posted:

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

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Because he is a pencil dragger and we all feel (many correctly) that we could do his job better than he can.

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I laughed at the "many correctly" part... I hope you weren't serious, even though I strongly suspect you actually were.

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Well "many" might be an exaggeration, as most people would probably be just as much abject failures at understanding "how mmorpgs work" as he has been. So I amend that from "better than he can" to "not being any worse".

But beyond that... Ghostcrawler does not understand his game very well, and the three role boards are historically rife with examples of it. He lets gross imbalances fester for months, ignores some completely, and when he finally does act it's usually way out of proportion to the problem.

He isn't a gamer either. Not an RPG gamer at least. His hatred of randomness and his ideal of making everyone the same (or "interchangeable") are the most damning examples of that. He was also far too focused on that whole "professional gamer" thing for far too long, apparently in the hope that WoW would become another Starcraft. To be fair, THAT at least I don't know if it originated from him or from someone higher up the ladder.

Even the non-game related parts of his job, ie managing his dev team, seem rife with problems. There are numerous examples of protectionist activity in "class balance" patches - circumstantial evidence that the dev team is not as objective with issues as it should be.

IIRC you said before that you are self employed, Korrigan, or at least the boss who can make his own hours. I wonder if you really understand how things work at the middle management level (where Ghostcrawler would be), how the "committees" run things, and what kind of people are generally rewarded under the system. If you do, you'll understand how someone like Ghostcrawler can get to where he is despite having absolutely no real competence at all. There is no "Ivy League" of mmorpg development. The fancy technical side isn't where the issues are, and the rest is stuff that you only get to know through experience with the games and understanding the complexities of the various components and how they react to each other. It's no coincidence that Tigole got his job despite his background being nothing more than a creative writing grad.

In other words, Korrigan, there is nothing inherent about Ghostcrawler that makes him better at what he does than anyone else. Got a vision and some idea how game components interact? Able to manage people in a team? Congratulations, you are as qualified for his position as he is.

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Sociop posted:

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[quote=Sprawl-zero1eye-]I had lunch with the guy earlier this year and thought he was really cool. He plays WoW and feels passionately about it, just like the rest of us. I guess the difference is that he can do something about things he doesn't like...

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And there is the problem; the very moment you start playing the game, choosing a faction, picking a main toon etc... you both consciously and subconsciously develop biases its human nature. The very fact he plays WoW and feels passionately about means he has rendered himself incapable of doing his job, his unbiased perspective is gone.

He really has no business making any faction for class balancing/altering decisions whatsoever,and it is because he is that things have been such an on going clusterblank since BC.

The guy is the most hated person in the gaming industry and its clearly of his own ignorance.

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Are you saying that the Devs should not also be players? If so I strongly disagree.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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The proof is in the pudding. He may be an arrogant SOB. I honestly don't know. Don't pay attention to his dialogue.

But, I do pay attention to the product.

And I'm currently loving the product. As are a couple million more. So, I don't care about his personality or lack thereof.

This isn't a dating or matchmatching service.

It's a game.

If anyone is so displeased with him or his product, you can voice your displeasure in the one way Blizzard listens: quit paying them.

Just my humble opinion.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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The proof is in the pudding. He may be an arrogant SOB. I honestly don't know. Don't pay attention to his dialogue.

But, I do pay attention to the product.

And I'm currently loving the product. As are a couple million more. So, I don't care about his personality or lack thereof.

This isn't a dating or matchmatching service.

It's a game.

If anyone is so displeased with him or his product, you can voice your displeasure in the one way Blizzard listens: quit paying them.

Just my humble opinion.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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The proof is in the pudding. He may be an arrogant SOB. I honestly don't know. Don't pay attention to his dialogue.

But, I do pay attention to the product.

And I'm currently loving the product. As are a couple million more. So, I don't care about his personality or lack thereof.

This isn't a dating or matchmatching service.

It's a game.

If anyone is so displeased with him or his product, you can voice your displeasure in the one way Blizzard listens: quit paying them.

Just my humble opinion.

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Hence why I no longer pay to play. I cancelled my Sub, and it will remain cancelled as long as GC is lead dev. I check back to see how badly the game is progressing and see hot fixes everyday, complaints about healers, things missing ingame and the rabid fanbois yelling how the game is balanced for level 80!!!

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All your examples to prove your point are terrible and unrelated. I think that anyone who doesn't actually play an MMO is going to be far worse at developing it. That is when you get people who are so far removed from the real thing making decisions that are way off base.

Personally, I want my developers to be players as well. Too have a passion for the game they are trying to make fun. I see nothing paticulairy bias about what Ghostcrawler writes, he does have a strong opinion on how the game show flow, but I don't see that coming from bias created from being a player himself.

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Ugh_Lancelot posted:

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That is about the most single-minded troll post I've seen in a week.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. I suspect most people just want to shoot GC for being the messenger but he does appear to have more pull in the direction department than you seem to give him credit for. And "millions" is a "yeah, whatever" statement in WoW terms. With 12+ million active subs, a few million isn't a majority.

QQ about QQ = QQ. Just my non-humble opinion of your opinion. You're welcome to not read/post in the thread if you disagree with everyone or so displeased with our topic choice.

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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I would have to spend some time in his shoes to know if he is/isn't qualified for the job. Tough to argue with the end result, aka subscriptions and box sales, as we all know that is what Corporate is most interested in. In that regard, I would say he is the best in the business. Want to prove that wrong? Show me another MMO with the same financial success. I'll wait right here.

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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All I know is armchair Devs can sit on forums bitching and moaning about how those actually doing it are screwing up all day until they turn blue in the face. In the end, you still are nothing more than a detached, anonymous, opinion (just as I am). They are still developing and producing games with real world subscriptions and real world revenues. If we are talking about running a successful business, and a hint for the slower folks that is what I was doing, then Blizz (and GC by association) is doing it like gangbusters.

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Sociop posted:

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Someone said a while back on the official forums that Blizzard was the Mexico of the game industry, fraught with bias and corruption, and I tend to believe it. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely and Ghostcrawler & Co hold absolute power.

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Sociop posted:

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The guy is the most hated person in the gaming industry and its clearly of his own ignorance.

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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My argument stands on it's own perfectly well as far as I can see.

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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I simply stated that in terms of business, they are fantastically successful.

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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If I were a shareholder, I could not be happier and if you think that means nothing, well, maybe you should rethink whatever argument it is you think you are making

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JzeroVN posted:

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Plus if you want to base the argument on just tossing out big numbers you could argue because around 7 billion people don't play Wow - holy cow this game must suck! How many do/don't play really doesn't back an argument about features and design choices. Too many factors get blended together to ever know what an individual piece gives to the subscription count rising/falling.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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JzeroVN posted:

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Plus if you want to base the argument on just tossing out big numbers you could argue because around 7 billion people don't play Wow - holy cow this game must suck! How many do/don't play really doesn't back an argument about features and design choices. Too many factors get blended together to ever know what an individual piece gives to the subscription count rising/falling.

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Let's take just recent numbers. As of last week, Cataclysm sold more than any other game in history in it's first twenty-four hours.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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No other MMO has ever seen a steady rise in subscription numbers like World of Warcraft.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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No one is saying that Ghostcrawler is the sole reason for these events, but he is part of the team that continues to make this happen.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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I'll bet money WoW would come out on top.

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

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People like you

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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It doesn't matter whether Ghostcrawler is a lead developer, a mouthpiece, or even the towel boy in the bathroom, he's still part of the team that continues to make Blizzard a mindboggling amount of money . . . and apparently a vocal part.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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You want to argue semantics, Broken. I offer proof. Show me the same, please.

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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What the hell do you think you know about me based upon a few musings about a computer game?

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st0rmie posted:

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Whiny little babies will whine no matter what. You what I saw the other day that nearly made me swallow my tongue laughing? Someone was crying about the WoW "B team" and claiming that one of the causes of its current failure (remember, fastest selling PC title ever = failure) was that Jeff Kaplan has moved on to Blizzard's new secret project. Jeff Kaplan! The producer who elicited more whining from the whiny little forum babies than any game developer I've ever seen! Mark my words, in two years time, WoW expansion #4 will break even more records, and people will be whining about how horrible the game has been ever since Ghostcrawler moved on and some new guy took over.

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The_Korrigan posted:

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The thread ends here. What I say here doesn't matter in the big scheme of things, but my reactions are always entertaining, so ridiculous and funny they are.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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You are seriously saying that Ghostcrawler causes sales for World of Warcraft to stall or halt because of his . . . personality?

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Could it be because there's a limited amount of people who own computers and play MMOs? Maybe, when you reach the ceiling, you cannot go higher and/or growth stalls? The graph shows a continuous climb until China began to deny access to their area in WoW East.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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At this point, I honestly believe if I offered proof that water was wet and the sky was blue, you'd argue against it because you simply cannot and will not deviate from your opinion even if proven in error.

The scientific method is established as with the proof I offer. It is not my job to continue to back it up while you nitpick. If you wish to challenge my hypothesis, you must offer your proof that contradicts that in evidence.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Again, I don't believe anyone is saying Ghostcrawler is the de facto reason for World of Warcraft's success. But, he is part of the team in its continued success.

That much is common sense.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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The decline in numbers could also be due to the recession as far as we could know. After all, entertainment goes first before food. I find that more likely than any influence Ghostcrawler has in a negative sense to the game.

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-Peo- posted:

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I am constantly amazed that people attempt to argue points here, no one will ever change their opinion, so why bother?

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lol, anything to prove a non existant point. Next the gas prices will be responsible. Then the banning of 4 loco.

I am constantly amazed that people attempt to argue points here, no one will ever change their opinion, so why bother?

Oh right, attention and the belief that we are special.

It is all a matter of perspective, if you pay attenion and see what changes are made, talked about, recanted, re-talked about, completely reversed point of views...all by GC himself, if you truly look at the crap he posts, has posted, proposed, reneged on said proposals...

You can see how bad he is...but with a perspective skewed towards seeing what you want to see, you won't see it.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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The decline in numbers could also be due to the recession as far as we could know.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Let's put a pin in this discussion and allow your theory to gain time. If, in fact, World of Warcraft goes south due to Ghostcrawler's influence and/or choices, I will necro this thread to state you were in fact correct.

Two years until the next expansion, right?

If not, you can also bet I will also necro this thread to tell you didn't tap dance as well as you thought.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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3.3 million sales for the expansion in one day, setting a new world record, pretty much answers that question hasn't it?

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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If your or others perspective is the above event is a failure . . . well, maybe special is actually the correct word of choice after all.

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

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I think this number might be getting overemphasized. If you are someone playing the current content of WoW, you HAVE to have the expansion, and you're not going to wait to get it. So you'll either get it that first day, or you pre-ordered it, and if you don't, you almost certainly won't be playing WoW until you do.

The size of WoW compared to other mmorpgs excludes all of them from comparison. Other games do not have the same necessity for being there ON DAY ONE because you are not losing out on previously existing game time by not getting it. In other words, you have to STOP playing WoW (most likely) if you don't get the expansion.

It therefore stands to reason it is going to have very high preorder numbers. It has to.

I still find the fact that only a quarter of the supposed active accounts actually upgraded the most interesting. Was Cataclysm not launched in the east?

To answer your question specifically, no, it doesn't answer that question at all, because of the exact reasons I mentioned in the last post.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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lol, anything to prove a non existant point. Next the gas prices will be responsible. Then the banning of 4 loco.

I am constantly amazed that people attempt to argue points here, no one will ever change their opinion, so why bother?

Oh right, attention and the belief that we are special.

It is all a matter of perspective, if you pay attenion and see what changes are made, talked about, recanted, re-talked about, completely reversed point of views...all by GC himself, if you truly look at the crap he posts, has posted, proposed, reneged on said proposals...

You can see how bad he is...but with a perspective skewed towards seeing what you want to see, you won't see it.

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Actually, I've changed my mind on an opinion when facts support it out. Even done it on a thread from a poster I dislike, but an accurate point is an accurate point.

What's yours?

No one is arguing that Ghostcrawler is not a complete bastard. Okay, he's a complete bastard. I'll take your word for it because, again, I don't know him.

Has it influenced sales for Cataclysm or subscriptions in general?

3.3 million sales for the expansion in one day, setting a new world record, pretty much answers that question hasn't it?

If your or others perspective is the above event is a failure . . . well, maybe special is actually the correct word of choice after all.

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Rhapsedy posted:

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Hey! You've upgraded from smarmy to a douche! Now thats moving up the ladder!

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Rhapsedy posted:

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Businesses go with overall sales, revenue, and subscriptions to judge success. If any company rated their success or failure from the amount of crying on a forum they'd all be doomed.

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Trigeminal posted:

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So I see this guy on TV promoting Cataclysm on some random computer gaming show and I just want to punch him in the face. Why would he bother me to the point where I risk breaking my TV? Osama Bin Laden, Kim Jong Il, etc. don't illicit this response from me. Why does some narcissitic punk from Blizzard upset me so much? I'm off to my therapy session. Catch y'all later.

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Sociop posted:

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Not if the percentage of complainers is a direct correlation of the percentage of the playing population because that would me the overwhelming majority are not happy with the game.

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Spookysheep posted:

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I recognized this a long time ago, hence why I only tell someone if they are correct or if they are an idiot.


The funniest part is when the idiots try to get me to have "intelligent debate" with them, as any of those retards had the intelligence to grasp a point to debate.


Remember kids, VN boards are for entertainment purposes only.

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The_Korrigan posted:

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Sociop posted:

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Not if the percentage of complainers is a direct correlation of the percentage of the playing population because that would me the overwhelming majority are not happy with the game.

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Really? Gamers are among the biggest whiners of the planet, the worst category being PvPers. Do you really think a company should worry because gamers whine on their forums, as long as they pay a subscription?
The only thing that talks is money. To pass a strong message, a large amount of people would have to cancel their account. Then yes, the devs will notice. But some whining on their forum? I bet they make a list of the most pathetic ones to laugh at them during their meetings.

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Sociop posted:

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Sociop posted:

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Not if the percentage of complainers is a direct correlation of the percentage of the playing population because that would me the overwhelming majority are not happy with the game.

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Really? Gamers are among the biggest whiners of the planet, the worst category being PvPers. Do you really think a company should worry because gamers whine on their forums, as long as they pay a subscription?
The only thing that talks is money. To pass a strong message, a large amount of people would have to cancel their account. Then yes, the devs will notice. But some whining on their forum? I bet they make a list of the most pathetic ones to laugh at them during their meetings.

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Perhaps, as much as I hate unions, this game being as large as it is needs a players union then the players could carry a lot of weight, the players could quite literally become the official Blizzard CEO's, it would be our way or no way.

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Cawlin posted:

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Sociop posted:

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The_Korrigan posted:

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[quote=Sociop]Not if the percentage of complainers is a direct correlation of the percentage of the playing population because that would me the overwhelming majority are not happy with the game.

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Really? Gamers are among the biggest whiners of the planet, the worst category being PvPers. Do you really think a company should worry because gamers whine on their forums, as long as they pay a subscription?
The only thing that talks is money. To pass a strong message, a large amount of people would have to cancel their account. Then yes, the devs will notice. But some whining on their forum? I bet they make a list of the most pathetic ones to laugh at them during their meetings.

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Perhaps, as much as I hate unions, this game being as large as it is needs a players union then the players could carry a lot of weight, the players could quite literally become the official Blizzard CEO's, it would be our way or no way.

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Sociop posted:

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Perhaps, as much as I hate unions, this game being as large as it is needs a players union then the players could carry a lot of weight, the players could quite literally become the official Blizzard CEO's, it would be our way or no way.

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While I am pretty sure you're joking, this argument is more to the heart of the matter than any other attempt at stating it has been thus far.

This isn't our game, it's Blizzards. We vote with our dollars, as such, we represent a collective bargaining unit with no legal, but certainly a very REAL recourse.

If you/we don't like what's going on, we "cast our union vote" by cancelling our subscription. That's where our "power" begins and ends, period.

The interesting thing about that is that without legal recourse, the players, as a collective bargaining unit face the very real implications of their decisions in a way that legally protected labor unions don't. If we decide to protest, the company is not obligated to compensate us and we have to live with our decision on our own. Blizzard will or won't listen to the players based on how much it impacts their bottom line.

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Cawlin posted:

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This isn't our game, it's Blizzards. We vote with our dollars, as such, we represent a collective bargaining unit with no legal, but certainly a very REAL recourse.

If you/we don't like what's going on, we "cast our union vote" by cancelling our subscription. That's where our "power" begins and ends, period.

The interesting thing about that is that without legal recourse, the players, as a collective bargaining unit face the very real implications of their decisions in a way that legally protected labor unions don't. If we decide to protest, the company is not obligated to compensate us and we have to live with our decision on our own. Blizzard will or won't listen to the players based on how much it impacts their bottom line.

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Festus_Stundagin posted:

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He's not joking. Eve has a players 'union' of sorts.. a correspondence group that is voted in by the subscriber base every year. They have a very strong hand in the way the game progresses, changes, and what not. It's proved a huge success in EvE which is one of the few MMO's out there that I know of that has had one of the most consistent increases in population.

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Sociop posted:

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The_Korrigan posted:

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Sociop posted:

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Not if the percentage of complainers is a direct correlation of the percentage of the playing population because that would me the overwhelming majority are not happy with the game.

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Really? Gamers are among the biggest whiners of the planet, the worst category being PvPers. Do you really think a company should worry because gamers whine on their forums, as long as they pay a subscription?
The only thing that talks is money. To pass a strong message, a large amount of people would have to cancel their account. Then yes, the devs will notice. But some whining on their forum? I bet they make a list of the most pathetic ones to laugh at them during their meetings.

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Perhaps, as much as I hate unions, this game being as large as it is needs a players union then the players could carry a lot of weight, the players could quite literally become the official Blizzard CEO's, it would be our way or no way.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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And it's been tried.

Mark Jacobs attempted to appease those on here. I remember quite vividly how a certain poster lead this literal campaign to nerf a class. After Mythic caved, he stated it was time to move onto and nerf the next class.

I kid you not, these were his exact words.

At that point, most of us realized the death spiral incoming and started to leave. Our experience in DAoC taught us that much.

Ironically, I watched that above poster wonder in awe as to why the game died.

Granted, it wasn't the only reason Warhammer Online failed. But, when the selective voice of nerf herders started to complain from Day One and Mythic listened . . . you knew the score.

And let's be real. Most threads on any board, to include this one, are complaints, gripes, or whines.

Positive threads, rare as they are, disappear quick with little response.

That's just the nature of forums.

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kyrv posted:

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Gaming companies have to be really careful listening to the players. Especially listening to the vocal whiny minority.

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Sociop posted:

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The_Korrigan posted:

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Sociop posted:

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Not if the percentage of complainers is a direct correlation of the percentage of the playing population because that would me the overwhelming majority are not happy with the game.

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Really? Gamers are among the biggest whiners of the planet, the worst category being PvPers. Do you really think a company should worry because gamers whine on their forums, as long as they pay a subscription?
The only thing that talks is money. To pass a strong message, a large amount of people would have to cancel their account. Then yes, the devs will notice. But some whining on their forum? I bet they make a list of the most pathetic ones to laugh at them during their meetings.

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Perhaps, as much as I hate unions, this game being as large as it is needs a players union then the players could carry a lot of weight, the players could quite literally become the official Blizzard CEO's, it would be our way or no way.

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Ugh_Lancelot posted:

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Sociop posted:

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The_Korrigan posted:

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[quote=Sociop]Not if the percentage of complainers is a direct correlation of the percentage of the playing population because that would me the overwhelming majority are not happy with the game.

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Really? Gamers are among the biggest whiners of the planet, the worst category being PvPers. Do you really think a company should worry because gamers whine on their forums, as long as they pay a subscription?
The only thing that talks is money. To pass a strong message, a large amount of people would have to cancel their account. Then yes, the devs will notice. But some whining on their forum? I bet they make a list of the most pathetic ones to laugh at them during their meetings.

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Perhaps, as much as I hate unions, this game being as large as it is needs a players union then the players could carry a lot of weight, the players could quite literally become the official Blizzard CEO's, it would be our way or no way.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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The truth is.... I am Ghostcrawler.































































I'm not actually.

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Trigeminal posted:

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So I see this guy on TV promoting Cataclysm on some random computer gaming show and I just want to punch him in the face. Why would he bother me to the point where I risk breaking my TV? Osama Bin Laden, Kim Jong Il, etc. don't illicit this response from me. Why does some narcissitic punk from Blizzard upset me so much? I'm off to my therapy session. Catch y'all later.

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You need to resolve your inner demons. For cereal.

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Sociop posted:

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My point was for every complaint on the official froum there are 1000-10,000 others perhaps more who feel the same way.

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Sociop posted:

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My point was for every complaint on the official froum there are 1000-10,000 others perhaps more who feel the same way.

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