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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
Seriously, think back to TOA... remember how those zones were laid out..

Notice anything familiar.

 

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I reach to the same conclusion when I eventually made my way into ICC 25 and took forever to get my frost badges...at that point it felt like TOA and a part time job...

 

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Was TOA full of quests?

Tbh I only remember doing one line I think and I just ran behind a mass of players from place to place while someone guided us xD
All I remember from TOA is standing at spawns and farming them to death to get drops ^^

Edit: god I really hardly remember anything from TOA ..., unlockable artifacts which completely messed up the gear balance there was in game and suddenly required people to do copious amounts of PvE to be competitive in PvP contrary to before and still wore down after a while. That's about it I think, lol.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
MinionX-DW posted:
Seriously, think back to TOA... remember how those zones were laid out..

Notice anything familiar.




This is the first I have ever heard of this. Thanks, I didn't see the connection. At all.

 

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Not that I've seen yet. Maybe later?

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
There is no ML 3, that in itself is an improvement....

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
yup was thinking that when I was flying around uldum.

 

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Blizz copy pasted Stygia... i wouldn't be surprised if somebody got an arti drop

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
I was saying ToA-similar months ago.


My husband has been hoping for the same time that it doesn't mean the same thing for the game. tongue

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
MinionX-DW posted:
Seriously, think back to TOA... remember how those zones were laid out..

Notice anything familiar.




TOA was more a open world, Cata's "Quest-World" is Guild Wars like sad

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
To be TOA, it would have to be DAoC and generally suck.
Thankfully, it isn't.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
dunno what exactly you mean by how they are "laid out", but i see no similarities to ToA.

really they can do anything they want to WoW and i will probably like it. daoc was such a horrible game...things like having to level your items and paying/running a buffbot are such ridiculously stupid ideas for a game.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
MinionX-DW posted:
Seriously, think back to TOA... remember how those zones were laid out..

Notice anything familiar.




not really.

 

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i thought the same thing too. uldum =stygia , vash'jir= meso O.o

this expansion will destroy WoW !!

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
That was the very first thought I had. Huh, this is like ToA. My second thought was OMG I hope we don't have to buy water breathing pots all the damned time.

Raiding in WoW has always been like ML's. It was even more like ML's back in vanilla, but has become less so since then. As much as I didn't care for them at the time, it would be kinda fun to have 100 or 200 person raids in WoW occasionally. It'd be great to work them into holiday events somehow so they aren't having to happen all the time.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
The sandy eqyptian desert
The lava and burning rock
The lost city of atlantis

Forget ToA, these are themes that hit a heck of a lot more places than just wow and DAoC. What aobut hte spooky swampy areas added in Blasted lands for example? What about the similiarities of the LotR Lich King and Arthas graphics? Or ICC and the walls and ramparts in LoTR and WAR?

I think it's a limited imagination pool. That or they want to stick to something "familiar".


And when most peeps equate ToA with Death of the Game. I really don't think Cataclysm will have that effect on WoW.

 

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The_Korrigan posted:
To be TOA, it would have to be DAoC and generally suck.
Thankfully, it isn't.

 

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Minion got pwnd!!2!@3#

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
You're definitely not the only one.

Not only do I notice the obvious similarities, I think this xpac's effect on blizzard will be the same as TOA was on Mythic happy

 

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Only thing I see similar is the zone concepts.

ToA was camping a spawn for hours on end only to have some l337 d00dz roll in on a minstrel and rip the mob from under you

Cat has camping a spawn for minutes on end only to have some l337 d00dz roll in on a mount and rip the mob from under you


DAoC made the mistake of taking a PvP-centric game and coating it with EQ grind b.s., that's why it was a huge failure that ended up ruining the game. Very few wanted to farm for hours and hours and hours and hours

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
NightPath posted:
Only thing I see similar is the zone concepts.

ToA was camping a spawn for hours on end only to have some l337 d00dz roll in on a minstrel and rip the mob from under you

Cat has camping a spawn for minutes on end only to have some l337 d00dz roll in on a mount and rip the mob from under you


DAoC made the mistake of taking a PvP-centric game and coating it with EQ grind b.s., that's why it was a huge failure that ended up ruining the game. Very few wanted to farm for hours and hours and hours and hours

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
Not even close, this xpac is not bug filled untested crappy coding on a crappy engine made by a crappy company.


Take your drivel back to the WAR forums.

 

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Not even close, this xpac is not bug filled untested crappy coding on a crappy engine made by a crappy company.


Take your drivel back to the WAR forums.


Really?

you tried completing Battle at the Abyssal Breach yet?

 

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Was TOA full of quests?

Tbh I only remember doing one line I think and I just ran behind a mass of players from place to place while someone guided us xD
All I remember from TOA is standing at spawns and farming them to death to get drops ^^

Edit: god I really hardly remember anything from TOA ..., unlockable artifacts which completely messed up the gear balance there was in game and suddenly required people to do copious amounts of PvE to be competitive in PvP contrary to before and still wore down after a while. That's about it I think, lol.


Ummm TOA had a ton of quests, they were actually fairly nice for leveling as well..

and Cataclysm completely messed up the balance for level 80's..

Be it Talents (hello Arcane Mages)

and gear..

Couple of nice lvl 80 weapons are present in Cataclysm that is only available for people who bought the expansion..


 

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dunno what exactly you mean by how they are "laid out", but i see no similarities to ToA.

really they can do anything they want to WoW and i will probably like it. daoc was such a horrible game...things like having to level your items and paying/running a buffbot are such ridiculously stupid ideas for a game.


leveling your character is much better then leveling your items *grin*

Though I agree with the Buffbot thing, it does suck you have to spend extra cash for the benefit of buffs.

 

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MinionX-DW posted:
Pheace posted:
Was TOA full of quests?

Tbh I only remember doing one line I think and I just ran behind a mass of players from place to place while someone guided us xD
All I remember from TOA is standing at spawns and farming them to death to get drops ^^

Edit: god I really hardly remember anything from TOA ..., unlockable artifacts which completely messed up the gear balance there was in game and suddenly required people to do copious amounts of PvE to be competitive in PvP contrary to before and still wore down after a while. That's about it I think, lol.


Ummm TOA had a ton of quests, they were actually fairly nice for leveling as well..

and Cataclysm completely messed up the balance for level 80's..

Be it Talents (hello Arcane Mages)

and gear..

Couple of nice lvl 80 weapons are present in Cataclysm that is only available for people who bought the expansion..





Isn't that Par for the Course though? The whole TOA thing was because it fundamentally changed the gear scale of the game from PvP to PvE in a game where it was already done an established and in retrospect far preferred other way.

What part of Cataclysm is similar to that then?

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leveling your character is much better then leveling your items *grin*



Rofl, from reading these forums, and how short the 'levelling' ride to 85 is? Then yes, it's better by far. The farming it took in TOA was massive.

 

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Between the underwater zone and Uldum I also painfully reminisced to a ToA place. Hour and hours of camping those freaking artifacts. So far it has only been superficially ToA-style, so thank our lucky stars for that.

 

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I guess each expansion must have its DAoC comparison thread(s) from a few bored sad people who hoped WAR would be DAoC2 and have nothing better to do, and its "zomg the game is doomed" thread(s). Here, it's even better, we have both in the same thread, makes us win time and read faster tongue

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you tried completing Battle at the Abyssal Breach yet?
On two chars so far. No problem.

 

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The_Korrigan posted:

MinionX-DW posted:
you tried completing Battle at the Abyssal Breach yet?
On two chars so far. No problem.




Same here. Troll more.

 

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I guess each expansion must have its DAoC comparison thread(s) from a few bored sad people who hoped WAR would be DAoC2 and have nothing better to do, and its "zomg the game is doomed" thread(s). Here, it's even better, we have both in the same thread, makes us win time and read faster tongue

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you tried completing Battle at the Abyssal Breach yet?
On two chars so far. No problem.



I know that's not aimed at me because I never assumed War would be DAoC2 and actually the game introduced (imho) some good gameplay mechanics that added to the genre. I had an incredible amount of fun in T1-T3! T4 was a mess. They killed it when they failed to understand their customers experience at endgame. Kind of what happened in ToA. They lost touch with what their customers wanted (RvR). The PvE aspect of ToA was actually fun if you could separate it from RvR requirements. (I realize I am a rare voice in that area.)

The concern with Cata, is also that: are they keeping in touch with their current customers' expectations/experiences. (Understanding that a lot of the changes are made specifically with new customers in mind.) And what I'm hearing so far is a mixed bag and maybe the pendulum swung too far in one direction on directed gameplay. It's obviously too early to tell.

Do not mistakes genuine concern about a game that is enjoyed for henny-penny-the-sky-is-falling-hysteria.

Enjoying a game is not the same as being blind to concerns/problems. Caring about it allows expression of same.


That aside, any extended underwater endeavors is of course to bring comparisons to ToA.

 

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Auenwing posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
I guess each expansion must have its DAoC comparison thread(s) from a few bored sad people who hoped WAR would be DAoC2 and have nothing better to do, and its "zomg the game is doomed" thread(s). Here, it's even better, we have both in the same thread, makes us win time and read faster tongue

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you tried completing Battle at the Abyssal Breach yet?
On two chars so far. No problem.



I know that's not aimed at me because I never assumed War would be DAoC2 and actually the game introduced (imho) some good gameplay mechanics that added to the genre. I had an incredible amount of fun in T1-T3! T4 was a mess. They killed it when they failed to understand their customers experience at endgame. Kind of what happened in ToA. They lost touch with what their customers wanted (RvR). The PvE aspect of ToA was actually fun if you could separate it from RvR requirements. (I realize I am a rare voice in that area.)

The concern with Cata, is also that: are they keeping in touch with their current customers' expectations/experiences. (Understanding that a lot of the changes are made specifically with new customers in mind.) And what I'm hearing so far is a mixed bag and maybe the pendulum swung too far in one direction on directed gameplay. It's obviously too early to tell.

Do not mistakes genuine concern about a game that is enjoyed for henny-penny-the-sky-is-falling-hysteria.

Enjoying a game is not the same as being blind to concerns/problems. Caring about it allows expression of same.


That aside, any extended underwater endeavors is of course to bring comparisons to ToA.


Problem is, outside of a few people are blizzard, WoW is all about the pocketbook and GC's ego.

 

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I don't remember much, if any, of ToA being soloable.

Other than an underwater zone, I don't see the resemblance myself.

 

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True. As soon as I heard 'underwater quests' I cringed and thought of Trial of Atlantis. But, so far, my experience is limited to Classic still as I redo a new character.

 

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regulator_cracka posted:
The_Korrigan posted:

MinionX-DW posted:
you tried completing Battle at the Abyssal Breach yet?
On two chars so far. No problem.




Same here. Troll more.


i finally managed to complete it today, Unless you did it today (well I guess it would be yesterday) you would of had a hard time completing it..

You can go to the WoW forums and view it yourself, Basically whenever someone would join in it would make all the NPC's disappear and cause you to drown, So either both of you are the luckiest players in the world, Or you're basically lying through your teeth.

Then there was the whole thing about Horde players not getting any Rep for completing quests in Vash, so while i'm revered for completing all the quests in Mount hyjal, i'm only friendly rep in Vash right now..

 

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I don't remember much, if any, of ToA being soloable.

Other than an underwater zone, I don't see the resemblance myself.


There was a ton of stuff in TOA soloable, fact you don't remember this tells me you don't remember Squat about TOA in the first place.

 

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You're Absolutely right Minion. Cataclysm = TOA.

 

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You can go to the WoW forums and view it yourself, Basically whenever someone would join in it would make all the NPC's disappear and cause you to drown, So either both of you are the luckiest players in the world, Or you're basically lying through your teeth.
You should be careful before calling people liars, you can easily check in my armory linked in my sig when I got the 20.000 Leagues Under the Sea achievement. Yeah, you read correctly, 12/07/10, the day of the expansion release. And tons of people in my guild, except those who started in Hyjal, got it too without any problem.

 

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MinionX-DW posted:
You can go to the WoW forums and view it yourself, Basically whenever someone would join in it would make all the NPC's disappear and cause you to drown, So either both of you are the luckiest players in the world, Or you're basically lying through your teeth.
You should be careful before calling people liars, you can easily check in my armory linked in my sig when I got the 20.000 Leagues Under the Sea achievement. Yeah, you read correctly, 12/07/10, the day of the expansion release. And tons of people in my guild, except those who started in Hyjal, got it too without any problem.




You are giving this troll too much attention. He is the biggest fanboi douchbag on the WAR forums and was during Daoc too. Now he brings up TOA here after an expac is released. This is not a tough one to spot.

 

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Ahh, because the OP can't do it, it can't be done. Got it rolling_eyes

 

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" I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA. "

It's not ToA.

There will likely be some similarities to other expansions, Blizz and non-Blizz, might make more sense to talk about a couple of specific things than saying something silly like Cat is ToA. It factually is not, this is self evident.

 

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You're definitely not the only one.

Not only do I notice the obvious similarities, I think this xpac's effect on blizzard will be the same as TOA was on Mythic happy


WoW is doomed I tells ya.

And for the OP, who can forget flying outside of Stormwind in ToA, and starting a new Worgen, or leveling to 85. I know I can't.

 

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Not even close, this xpac is not bug filled untested crappy coding on a crappy engine made by a crappy company.

Take your drivel back to the WAR forums.


Maybe not after a couple of hot fix patches. I'm still confused how the xpac got released with quests that couldn't be completed due to quest items not being in the game. Did anyone actually do any testing in the beta? It doesn't appear so.

 

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I think it's trying to mimic Warhammer Online with NPCs battling all over the place.

 

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I think it's trying to mimic Warhammer Online with NPCs battling all over the place.


Do you have to wait with the rest of the realm for a door to open somewhere? Else it's obviously lacking something tongue

 

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There was a ton of stuff in TOA soloable, fact you don't remember this tells me you don't remember Squat about TOA in the first place.


A ton huh rolling_eyes ? I'm not sure soloable means what you think it means then, but between ToA and Cataclysm soloable content, there's no contest imo. I had trouble finding anything worthwhile that I could solo myself in ToA. And by soloable, I don't mean a necro with a cleric bot.

I remember enough to know I really despised that expansion and I'm sure that this expansion is nothing like the 'experience' ToA was.

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Did anyone actually do any testing in the beta? It doesn't appear so.


Oh course not, silly! They were too busy figuring out the fastest way to level so they could get their realm first achievements. Duh! :P

 

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You can go to the WoW forums and view it yourself, Basically whenever someone would join in it would make all the NPC's disappear and cause you to drown, So either both of you are the luckiest players in the world, Or you're basically lying through your teeth.
You should be careful before calling people liars, you can easily check in my armory linked in my sig when I got the 20.000 Leagues Under the Sea achievement. Yeah, you read correctly, 12/07/10, the day of the expansion release. And tons of people in my guild, except those who started in Hyjal, got it too without any problem.


And yet, i'm posting a thread now because you're a dumb shit who must think i'm lying about it myself...

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1306051482

20 pages long... enjoy..

 

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MinionX-DW posted:
There was a ton of stuff in TOA soloable, fact you don't remember this tells me you don't remember Squat about TOA in the first place.


A ton huh rolling_eyes ? I'm not sure soloable means what you think it means then, but between ToA and Cataclysm soloable content, there's no contest imo. I had trouble finding anything worthwhile that I could solo myself in ToA. And by soloable, I don't mean a necro with a cleric bot.

I remember enough to know I really despised that expansion and I'm sure that this expansion is nothing like the 'experience' ToA was.

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yes, a ton, and I didn't say Cata didn't have more soloable content then TOA, I said TOA had a ton of soloable content, and it did.

 

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You're definitely not the only one.

Not only do I notice the obvious similarities, I think this xpac's effect on blizzard will be the same as TOA was on Mythic happy


WoW is doomed I tells ya.

And for the OP, who can forget flying outside of Stormwind in ToA, and starting a new Worgen, or leveling to 85. I know I can't.


Yes, who can forget the underwater zones, the lava zones, the "green" zones, and the desert zones..

But hey, TOA didn't have Werewolves, so Cata must be nothing like TOA *grin*

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The_Korrigan posted:
MinionX-DW posted:
You can go to the WoW forums and view it yourself, Basically whenever someone would join in it would make all the NPC's disappear and cause you to drown, So either both of you are the luckiest players in the world, Or you're basically lying through your teeth.
You should be careful before calling people liars, you can easily check in my armory linked in my sig when I got the 20.000 Leagues Under the Sea achievement. Yeah, you read correctly, 12/07/10, the day of the expansion release. And tons of people in my guild, except those who started in Hyjal, got it too without any problem.




You are giving this troll too much attention. He is the biggest fanboi douchbag on the WAR forums and was during Daoc too. Now he brings up TOA here after an expac is released. This is not a tough one to spot.


Rofl, did i hurt the forum Warhammer Forum Trolls feelings by comparing this game to TOA?

Oooh, I'm so sorry I hurt your fanboi love affair with WoW...

 

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The TOA comparisons are interesting, but I think WoW has actually followed the EQ experience a lot closer than the DAoC one when it comes to expansions and developer attitudes/mistakes.

TBC was like a hybrid mix of Kunark and Luclin. The atmosphere certainly resembled a much better done version of Luclin (the EQ dev staff split in two during Luclin's development, with many going to EQ2, and the half-arsed mechanisms started but never finished (aka Katta vs Seru) were omnipresent) while the gameplay changes were reminiscent of Kunark, with new races and starting areas and a more cohesive set of zones.

WotLK was Planes of Power. Scarily so. Total emphasis on an endgame mechanic and tier system with virtually no thought given to the older world.

And now we have Cataclysm, and the similarites continue - this time, Lost Dungeons of Norrath and Gates of Discord. On the LDoN side, we have the culmination of a change in design philosophy to something alien to most of the people who were there at the start; it is effectively a different game, appealing to an entirely different kind of player. In particular, the casual is artificially boosted upwards without increasing the difficulty in doing so (technically started before Cataclysm was released but was based on its principles; WoW patches content in that EQ left for expansions). On the GoD side, the dramatic uptick in NPC power, the graphical upgrade, and core systems changing, all under the umbrella of rapidly increasing levels of mudflation.

The similarities from a development point of view is uncanny. The details are different, but in general the same breakthroughs, the same direction choices, and the same mistakes SOE made are being repeated by Blizzard.

Interestingly enough, GoD is when EQ crashed and burned.

 

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I didn't think "ToA" until I got to Uldum. I've been through Deepholm and Vash'jir aside from Uldum so far, so I dunno about the other new zones.

As for bugs, I'm super happy that some of you haven't had any issues with 'em. Nobody I know has been able to get through the Defending the Rifts questline without it bugging out on them at least once. Seems like it's a fairly consistent problem with cutscenes as I've had nothing but camera issues in Uldum cutscenes (and to a lesser extent the cutscenes in Vash'jir). Camera pointing at a statue instead of the people talking, camera panning into the ground instead of looking at the intended objects, camera getting stuck and causing me to spawn back at the beginning or somewhere different than my group, all sorts of SNAFU.

On the other hand, just about every bug I've run into could be classified as annoying but not critical, which is much better than all the stuck-in-looting-mode or stuck-under-the-world or quest-item-did-not-appear-in-inventory bugs that tended to plague previous releases. So from the angle of "try it a few times and you should be able to finish it and move on," Cataclysm is a great success. tongue

I'm really liking the expansion so far.

 

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And yet, i'm posting a thread now because you're a dumb shit who must think i'm lying about it myself...
And there come the insults, the only argument of those who have nothing to say. The only one who called the other a liar so far is... yes! YOU!
Go back to the WAR forums, troll.

 

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Seriously, think back to TOA... remember how those zones were laid out..

Notice anything familiar.




The only resemblance is an underwater zone. Other than that not even close.

 

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It has for sure reminded me of TOA zones. Obviously the content is different smart asses, but if you played TOA, IMO, there is no way you can't say the zones are similar.

 

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Rofl, did i hurt the forum Warhammer Forum Trolls feelings by comparing this game to TOA?


Can you try this one again in English? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Either way, if you are trying to insinuate that Cata will have the same impact on WoW as TOA did on DAOC.... you're dumb. If you think that, and that's not even the implication you are trying to make here.... you're still dumb.

It sold 3.3M copies in the first 24 hours. The expansion is a record-breaking success.

 

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It has for sure reminded me of TOA zones. Obviously the content is different smart asses, but if you played TOA, IMO, there is no way you can't say the zones are similar.


Other than an underwater zone and egyptian themed zone, what other similarities are there?

The actual content of both is not even close to that of ToA.

 

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It has for sure reminded me of TOA zones. Obviously the content is different smart asses, but if you played TOA, IMO, there is no way you can't say the zones are similar.


We know it's different, that's why the OP is incorrect when he said:

" I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA"

He didn't say:

" I can't be the only one to to be reminded of TOA in a few select aspects"

 

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It DID remind me of ToA, but done much better IMO. I actually enjoy this expansion, which was not something I could say about Trials of Atlantis.

 

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Not to defend the OP, cause I don't have a clue who he is, but I think you're putting words in his mouth by saying he thinks that cata will do to wow what toa did to daoc.


At least that's now how I read his message. Maybe that's what he meant, if so then he's a troll, but... what ever.

 

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Seriously, think back to TOA... remember how those zones were laid out..

Notice anything familiar.




The only resemblance is an underwater zone. Other than that not even close.


This. I swam around in the underwater area and within 5 mins I was asking in /g if anyone else thought it felt like toa. The resounding anwser was yes. No other zones feel like anything close to toa though. Although, do I care that the water area feels like toa? No. The only thing that really bothered me about the underwater area were the insta spawns. I had many that popped up as soon as I got that last hit on the one I was fighting (mainly the scavanging goblins.) In my opinion, its about time something actually halfway worth while is under wow's waves.

 

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you tried completing Battle at the Abyssal Breach yet?
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The TOA comparisons are interesting, but I think WoW has actually followed the EQ experience a lot closer than the DAoC one when it comes to expansions and developer attitudes/mistakes. TBC was like a hybrid mix of Kunark and Luclin. The atmosphere certainly resembled a much better done version of Luclin (the EQ dev staff split in two during Luclin's development, with many going to EQ2, and the half-arsed mechanisms started but never finished (aka Katta vs Seru) were omnipresent) while the gameplay changes were reminiscent of Kunark, with new races and starting areas and a more cohesive set of zones. WotLK was Planes of Power. Scarily so. Total emphasis on an endgame mechanic and tier system with virtually no thought given to the older world. And now we have Cataclysm, and the similarites continue - this time, Lost Dungeons of Norrath and Gates of Discord. On the LDoN side, we have the culmination of a change in design philosophy to something alien to most of the people who were there at the start; it is effectively a different game, appealing to an entirely different kind of player. In particular, the casual is artificially boosted upwards without increasing the difficulty in doing so (technically started before Cataclysm was released but was based on its principles; WoW patches content in that EQ left for expansions). On the GoD side, the dramatic uptick in NPC power, the graphical upgrade, and core systems changing, all under the umbrella of rapidly increasing levels of mudflation. The similarities from a development point of view is uncanny. The details are different, but in general the same breakthroughs, the same direction choices, and the same mistakes SOE made are being repeated by Blizzard. Interestingly enough, GoD is when EQ crashed and burned.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I got the ToA feel when I stepped into certain zones and it basically stopped there.

 

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Both are equally sexy. However - even if you're a woman - Turk and JD are far more gay.


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I haven't really seen the how cata equals to ToA yet but I can remember the one that I hated more than anything from ToA was the water area's. I hated them in ToA. I hope they are not like that in Cata.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
IvanDF posted:
Not to defend the OP, cause I don't have a clue who he is, but I think you're putting words in his mouth by saying he thinks that cata will do to wow what toa did to daoc.


At least that's now how I read his message. Maybe that's what he meant, if so then he's a troll, but... what ever.


Well I'm going by the...thread title.

The OP is very smart and a long time gamer and poster, I think they know the difference between something having a few similarities and something being the same thing.

A Lexus shares many many things in common with a Cadillac, but a Lexus is not a Cadillac.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
kyrv posted:
IvanDF posted:
Not to defend the OP, cause I don't have a clue who he is, but I think you're putting words in his mouth by saying he thinks that cata will do to wow what toa did to daoc.


At least that's now how I read his message. Maybe that's what he meant, if so then he's a troll, but... what ever.


Well I'm going by the...thread title.

The OP is very smart and a long time gamer and poster, I think they know the difference between something having a few similarities and something being the same thing.

A Lexus shares many many things in common with a Cadillac, but a Lexus is not a Cadillac.


I don't know about smart, but yeah he has been posting on these boards for a long time. Based on his postings in the past his intent was a backhanded dig on the new expansion. Guess he hopes it does poorly so he can somehow justify how crappy a company Mythic is.

 

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Lich King was fun - but dragged on.

This expansion is probably the best yet. TBC was terrible, Wrath improved, Cata is fairly decent.

Playing casually for 9 hours so far I have one character to 82. YMMV

TOA was a massive grind fest. More so than anything WoW has ever had.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
DAoC was a RvR game, therefore TOA = bad.

WOW is a PVE game, therefore ToA = fine.

I do love seeing old DAoC players coming here and instinctively coming down hard on the "TOA-ish" expansion though, it's entertaining.

TOA would be a huge hit in WOW imo.

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
Boone-Eldar posted:
kyrv posted:
IvanDF posted:
Not to defend the OP, cause I don't have a clue who he is, but I think you're putting words in his mouth by saying he thinks that cata will do to wow what toa did to daoc.


At least that's now how I read his message. Maybe that's what he meant, if so then he's a troll, but... what ever.


Well I'm going by the...thread title.

The OP is very smart and a long time gamer and poster, I think they know the difference between something having a few similarities and something being the same thing.

A Lexus shares many many things in common with a Cadillac, but a Lexus is not a Cadillac.


I don't know about smart, but yeah he has been posting on these boards for a long time. Based on his postings in the past his intent was a backhanded dig on the new expansion. Guess he hopes it does poorly so he can somehow justify how crappy a company Mythic is.


Really? and you got this from where?

I said the expansion reminded me of TOA, and a ton of people agree with me.

Does it mean I think WoW will fail with this expansion? Hell no.. you'd be a retard to think that.

i'm sayin they copied the crap out of them game though

 

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Subject: I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA.
MinionX-DW posted:


Really? and you got this from where?

I said the expansion reminded me of TOA
, and a ton of people agree with me.

Does it mean I think WoW will fail with this expansion? Hell no.. you'd be a retard to think that.

i'm sayin they copied the crap out of them game though


Minion, I again refer to the thread title:

"I can't be the only one to to notice this expansion is TOA."

So maybe for you this is what ToA should have been, I don't know.

 

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