GutterSludge posted:

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Sub and assassination both shine when moving from stealth...however, once you have done that, you are much more vulnerable.


Combat, while yes you can stealth, is more about what happens when you are visible, after breaking stealth, and shines when you are in the open, and is the better of the three against multiple targets.


In my mind, Sub would be a the true rogue...sneaky, full of tricks, agile as a cat, and always seeming to come out on top.

Assassination would be a ninja, silent killer. One shot and you are toast.

Combat would be the Samurai...you and two buddies better have your sheet together, or your heads are going to roll...

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formerly_addicted posted:

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Combat skill tree is broken, no reason to break your mind about stereotypes, you wont see much combar rogues anyways.....

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Shenron_ posted:

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i disagree. sub spec is definitely ninja. assassin is hashshashin, combat is pirate.

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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Yeah I was gonna say the same, combat is the swashbuckler.

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Spookysheep posted:

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combat = pirates
subtlety = ninja


Therefore combat > subtlety

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Auenwing posted:

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Spookysheep posted:

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combat = pirates
subtlety = ninja


Therefore combat > subtlety

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Oh lordie, here we go... inc pirate vs ninja!

Arrrrrr! (My rogue is combat!)

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TermProject123 posted:

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so basically the only rogue type that involves extended combat is the combat rogue?
So how exactly is it different from warriors? I mean, warriors evade too such as in god of war 3?
Is it that combat rogues have way more speed and agility like in devil may cry 4 or ninja gaiden sigma 2
where as warrior types would be more like castlevania and dante's inferno?

thanks

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TermProject123 posted:

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so basically the only rogue type that involves extended combat is the combat rogue?
So how exactly is it different from warriors? I mean, warriors evade too such as in god of war 3?
Is it that combat rogues have way more speed and agility like in devil may cry 4 or ninja gaiden sigma 2
where as warrior types would be more like castlevania and dante's inferno?

thanks

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TermProject123 posted:

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so is a rogue more focused on agility and dodging than a warrior?
I don't really have the game :P I just wanted to find more about the rogue class in general since this seemed to be one of the more rare mmo's that allowed rogues to use axes, maces, w/e.
So basically the primary thing is agility and speed for a combat rogue right?

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GutterSludge posted:
You could figure all of this out with the free trial..

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TermProject123 posted:

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okay, I just have one final question that I'm a bit confused about.
What exactly makes a warrior and a rogue?
I mean, just because you can dual-blade a lot does that mean you're a rogue?
Or just because you can stun or interrupt means you're a rogue?
thanks.

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TermProject123 posted:

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but, as I said in the post above yours, hack and slash games usually mix them up together. So how do you differentiate them between warrior and rogue?

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TermProject123 posted:

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What if it was like this.
God of War: Strong and agile

then what.

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TermProject123 posted:

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rogues/warriors do exist in other vid games buddy.
So how would you differentiate games like Dante's Inferno and Devil May Cry 4 with rogues and warriors?
why would drake be rogue and not warrior o.o

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TermProject123 posted:

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rogues/warriors do exist in other vid games buddy.
So how would you differentiate games like Dante's Inferno and Devil May Cry 4 with rogues and warriors?
why would drake be rogue and not warrior o.o

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formerly_addicted posted:

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funny stuff, almost 2 full pages nerds discussing about their imagination how a rogue / warrior compare in a damn vid game, lol, classic!

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TermProject123 posted:

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so to generalize it, the best way of differentiating between a warrior and a rogue is strength and agility right? So basically if a game emphasizes more on agility and speed then it is more roguish, if on the other hand more on strength and killing upfront, then warrior right?
Basically, 1 being roguish and 10 being warrior.
on a scale of 1-10, anything that falls from 1-5 is rogue, and 6-10 is warrior?

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TermProject123 posted:

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so to generalize it, the best way of differentiating between a warrior and a rogue is strength and agility right? So basically if a game emphasizes more on agility and speed then it is more roguish, if on the other hand more on strength and killing upfront, then warrior right?
Basically, 1 being roguish and 10 being warrior.
on a scale of 1-10, anything that falls from 1-5 is rogue, and 6-10 is warrior?

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TermProject123 posted:

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rogues/warriors do exist in other vid games buddy.
So how would you differentiate games like Dante's Inferno and Devil May Cry 4 with rogues and warriors?
why would drake be rogue and not warrior o.o

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TermProject123 posted:

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who said I was doing a term paper. Since when do people do term papers on video games >.<
that makes it even more complicated >.<
So when would that overlap occur.
is there a better way to do it besides agility and strength.

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TermProject123 posted:

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So there's the subtlety, assassination, and combat builds right?
I understand subtlety since stealth is a major part of rogues/thieves/assassins.

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TermProject123 posted:

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But as for assassination, how exactly does it compare with rogue stereotypes? How exactly does a rogue deal high burst damage in the beginning without stealth?

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TermProject123 posted:

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And finally I don't understand the combat talent at all. What kind of action-adventure game would you compare it to? I don't see how a combat rogue is any different from kratos from god of war 3 going around swinging his axes.

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TermProject123 posted:

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Keep in mind, this has close to nothing to do with inside WoW gameplay, I'm just trying to figure out how the different types of rogue work in this game.

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TermProject123 posted:

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and what hack-and-slash game would you compare combat rogues to?

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TermProject123 posted:

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Ninja Gaiden sigma 2 and devil may cry 4? So it's basically more dependent on speed and evasion but fighting up front like a warrior, right?

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TermProject123 posted:

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who said I was doing a term paper. Since when do people do term papers on video games &gt;.&lt;

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TermProject123 posted:

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so would the best solution be to just play warriors in rpgs?
Btw, so what is the difference between combat rogues and warriors besides agility and strength?

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TermProject123 posted:

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no it hasn't......
where.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Something is painfully obvious here.

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TermProject123 posted:

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What, I thought that there was a clear distinction between warrior classes and rogue classes? So shouldn't it be easy for you to tell me what the hell exactly is the class in the video I posted earlier?

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GutterSludge posted:

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My free trial for youtube expired.

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Nice one lol.

Termproject posted:

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fine I just want an example of the difference between warriors and rogues.

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TermProject123 posted:

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GutterSludge posted:

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Yes, no, and sometimes maybe.

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yo seriously, can you just please answer the question?
The only thing I'm asking is what if the classes were combined?
Couldn't you be a sort of roguish warrior in wow?
Like a warrior that evades sometimes? Or a rogue that hits hard?

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Elkabong08 posted:

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Noodle + Rice > Noodle plus Eggroll?

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TermProject123 posted:

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except I understand that >.<
The only thing I'm trying to ask, is how would you determine if it is more of a rogue or a warrior, if it is in between both?
For example, if a rogue hit really hard and strong, or if a warrior could evade and had a bit of agility?
Can you please answer this question? I shortened it into one and provided the previous two questions as examples.
thank you.

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NukeMage posted:

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This thread amuses me greatly.

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Cryme posted:

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I have to think this guy's just playing with you all, but I had to say something because this thread is freaking hilarious.

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GutterSludge posted:

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I think the answer he is looking for is "melee hunter"..but the fear of another 65 questions has kept me from tossing it out there...

/wink

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Elkabong08 posted:

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GutterSludge posted:

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I think the answer he is looking for is "melee hunter"..but the fear of another 65 questions has kept me from tossing it out there...

/wink

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Would a melee hunter be the equivalent of a warrior whacking someone with a bow? And would he do more damage than a Rogue using a possum as a throwing weapon?

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NukeMage posted:

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Elkabong08 posted:

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GutterSludge posted:

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I think the answer he is looking for is "melee hunter"..but the fear of another 65 questions has kept me from tossing it out there...

/wink

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Would a melee hunter be the equivalent of a warrior whacking someone with a bow? And would he do more damage than a Rogue using a possum as a throwing weapon?

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Thanks for attempting to kill me, I just about choked on my dinner while reading that haha.

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TermProject123 posted:

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GutterSludge posted:

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next, if agility is the main stat(that directly affects damage, critical strike etc.), call it a rogue...

If STR is the main stat (that directly affects damage etc) call it a warrior.


Mix with this weapon restrictions..

Rogues typically only use daggers, or light one handed swords. (one in each hand is fine) In paper DND
In WOW, light axes and light maces are also allowed.

Rogues cannot use 2-handed weapons.

Warriors can use ANY weapon. They are, after all, warriors.

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all I'm doing is trying to exclude games with emphasized warrior gameplay. So I do not need to focus on rogues, only on getting rid of warriors.
And btw, what if the game allowed you to use both daggers and 2h weapons. like druids. I don't think druids are warriors.

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TermProject123 posted:

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...... Or a game which allows you to switch between warriors and mages and rogues?

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TermProject123 posted:

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GutterSludge posted:

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a druid cannot wear plate, nor use 2-handed pointed or sharpened weapons, (or any pointed or sharpened weapon)

Therefore a druid is NOT a warrior.

Armor first...

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so not only 2h weapons? it has to be pointed or sharpened?
do I mix this with the main stat like you said or do them separately?
And what if you had the choice to switch between teh different classes?

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TermProject123 posted:

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i know armor first. But if the game passed the armor test, then with the weapon and stat thing, didn't you say to mix the main stat and the weapons restrictions and do them at teh same time?
I still have one final question about this though.
btw if you're able to wear heavy armor at all then ure a warrior right?
If in a game, you had a choice between several weapons, like dagger and 2h pointed weapons, then what would you do? and if it passed the armor test.
And also, what if there was a game where you used light armor but you smashed people aroudn with 2 handed blunt weapons? then what?

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