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He posted a topic a week or so ago saying it is too easy to level... and I think I may agree!
Despite being a very casual player and getting really quite bored when spending time leveling (don't ask me why, I think i like to see material acheivements; be it a level, a new skill a piece of gear, etc...) I have actually done 2.5 levels in Cata yesterday. 8am - 5pm, not fast playing, just questing, 3/4 dungeon runs, a little unscheduled PVP, etc...
I realise this expansion brought a lot extra to the game and I am not criticising it. I've also found it to be really nice and I love the zones and the layour, Hyjal is a really fluid zone and feels really nice going around it, but I think I am almost done in Hyjal and starting to feel like I will be on the treadmill again soon!!
Fortunately, I have a Pally tank to take through Vash'j (or whatever the underwater zone is) and also want to work on my Shammie (lvl 50) and Mage/Hunter (lvl 25/20) - so I am quite looking forward to the new content in those ranges.
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I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
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Agreed 9 hours straight is not casual 
but I do agree the leveling is going fast....a tad too fast even. Without trying too hard, I should have at least 1 85 by weekend, and a second nicely on the way with some professions sprinked in too for flavour.
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I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
 Sad thing is, they really think it is here.
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Even with the dungeon quest exp toned down it's still fairly quick. I think this most benefits the heavy multi-taskers. I'll queue for dungeons and bg's while exploring, gathering, crafting, questing, cooking, fishing. It all adds up.
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regulator_cracka posted:
azger posted:
I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
Sad thing is, they really think it is here.
There's no difference, other than the interval in which the time was accumulated. The data is the same.
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Arcilite_I posted:
regulator_cracka posted:
azger posted:
I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
Sad thing is, they really think it is here.
There's no difference, other than the interval in which the time was accumulated. The data is the same.
True the data is the same however it creates another conclusion in that the only reason he is leveling too fast is that he isn't participating in the other content. He is just leveling. If you try to level all your professions to keep pace with your level it would take much longer. He has decided to either not do any content except to level or to level first and then do the other content so it appears it is too fast for him.
People who think it is too fast have means to slow it down themselves rather then spam for leveling nerfs.
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You're making it more complicated than it is. Leveling is the gain of exp, and that is quite high in this game, regardless of your playstyle.
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It IS fast. I was actually extremely surprised by how fast it is. I am 2% away from 81 just in the few hours after I got home from work yesterday. Questing- that's it. No dungeons, no PvP, nothing. On the other hand, I don't really mind it. I have to do it at least 4 times to get my 80's to 85, so I kind of like it being quick. But I can certainly understand people saying it is too quick.
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Arcilite_I posted:
There's no difference, other than the interval in which the time was accumulated. The data is the same.
No the Data is not the same. Data here leveling Vs time. So this is a question of efficiency/effective time.
Efficiency is directly related to the time spent and if this is in 1 time or with multiple sessions. Drawing conclusions on the data based on different intervals is not correct. you need to check if your data is "stable" and "normal".....(neither of which apply to wow  )
So as to time spend leveling and co-orelation to time / leveling session - ie
Total Process time = Setup time + Leveling time + tear down time.
Lets call Leveling time = "Added Value" time.
Efficiency is bascially "Added Value time" / "Total time".
Setup and tear down do not "add value" (ie from an exp point of view). So Effiency can only be 100% if there is no setup/teardown time.
Now expand this into 2 extremmes -
Scenario 1
1 person doing a task for 9 hours straight
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Scenario 2
1 person doing a task for 9 hours in 30 minute sessions. ie 18 seperate 30 minute slots, seperated in time.
For this, lets say it only takes a few minutes of "setup and tear down". ie log in, travel,play, travel, log out.
Lets say
setup time = 10 minutes
tear down = 5 mins
Process 1 "Added value efficiency" = ((9hrs - 15 minutes) * 1 session )/9hours = 97% efficiency
Process 2 "Added value efficiency" = ((30 min - 15 mins)* 18 sessions) / 9hours = 50% efficiency
So Large blocks of time dedicated to getting "added value" (ie exp) is more effective than many small blocks.
But of course, both people wasted the same ammount of time - No argument on that ! lol
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vn_cuch posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
There's no difference, other than the interval in which the time was accumulated. The data is the same.
No the Data is not the same. Data here leveling Vs time. So this is a question of efficiency/effective time.
Efficiency is directly related to the time spent and if this is in 1 time or with multiple sessions. Drawing conclusions on the data based on different intervals is not correct. you need to check if your data is "stable" and "normal".....(neither of which apply to wow )
So as to time spend leveling and co-orelation to time / leveling session - ie
Total Process time = Setup time + Leveling time + tear down time.
Lets call Leveling time = "Added Value" time.
Efficiency is bascially "Added Value time" / "Total time".
Setup and tear down do not "add value" (ie from an exp point of view). So Effiency can only be 100% if there is no setup/teardown time.
Now expand this into 2 extremmes -
Scenario 1
1 person doing a task for 9 hours straight
Vs
Scenario 2
1 person doing a task for 9 hours in 30 minute sessions. ie 18 seperate 30 minute slots, seperated in time.
For this, lets say it only takes a few minutes of "setup and tear down". ie log in, travel,play, travel, log out.
Lets say
setup time = 10 minutes
tear down = 5 mins
Process 1 "Added value efficiency" = ((9hrs - 15 minutes) * 1 session )/9hours = 97% efficiency
Process 2 "Added value efficiency" = ((30 min - 15 mins)* 18 sessions) / 9hours = 50% efficiency
So Large blocks of time dedicated to getting "added value" (ie exp) is more effective than many small blocks.
But of course, both people wasted the same ammount of time - No argument on that ! lol
Did you concider rested time into this?
I don't see how you can factor that much set up time into WoW especially concidering that if you don't care to accumulate rested time you can log off right where you are and start up where you left off. The time it takes to actually put in your password is negligable. Furthermore when people are disscusing time taken to level they usually just go by their /played which excludes any set up time.
If you do take time to hearth to your Inn and then travel back to where you were leveling this is suplimented by rested xp gained. Depending on the amount of time between sessions someone that is leveling in multiple sessions versus all at once could become much more effeciant since they will be earning 200% xp on mobs.
Also, I always keep my profressions up as I level, if you are a gatherer and doing the questing game, this doesn't add much time to your leveling if you are good at it. Don't assuming someone is focusing just on leveling. I leveled my Shaman fairly fast, 1 to 80 in under 6 days played, he has mining/jewel at max (for 80) he also dabbled in cooking, fishing and first aid.
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So far (just about halway into 81) it's been quite refreshing to level without a feeling of grind or dreading. I have too many 80s to care about leveling being "too fast".
I like it a lot so far.
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I have to say.. i too think leveling is too easy.. case in point? go do archeology for a couple hours and see how many bars you fill lol. that and lower levels... they redid all this content and you level so fast, especially if you run an instance, that you skip most of it.
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I have to say.. i too think leveling is too easy.. case in point? go do archeology for a couple hours and see how many bars you fill lol. that and lower levels... they redid all this content and you level so fast, especially if you run an instance, that you skip most of it.
Well this used to be true, but they have scaled back dungeon xp some to remedy this.
I agree leveling is much faster then before. Too fast? Maybe a little, but it is not game runing. I don't think leveling should be slow and tedious.
The game is 6 years old now. So for new players, well they will expirience a fun and rich leveling expirience, all bit a little quick, however it will get them to the point quiker. Anyoe that joins a new MMO wants to get to the point where they are expiriencing the content with the higher level players. Not having a daunting task ahead of you to do that is important.
I know I use AC as an example a lot, but if I were to join back up AC right now, the task of getting to max level is more then daunting.
For us vets who have leveled a million 80's. Well this new way of leveling is just what we want.
As soon as I hit 80 on my Shammy, I started a pally before Cata hit. He is already 45, I quested through Elwyn and Westfall, as soon as I hit 15 I started with the Tank insta queue dungeon finder straight cash all day, until thousdand neeedles which I am doing just because it is cool, and then I'll be hitting up dungeon finder again.
His herbalism fill fall behind but I'll fix that up after. Its a different leveling expirirnce for me and I am having a lot of fun with it.
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I have to say.. i too think leveling is too easy.. case in point? go do archeology for a couple hours and see how many bars you fill lol. that and lower levels... they redid all this content and you level so fast, especially if you run an instance, that you skip most of it.
geesh! i forgot about training in archeology...ill have to go do that!
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I just hope when we do bring all our 80's to 85 (no matter how long it takes) that the end game will be interesting and dynamic. I hope Blizzard releases new content at a steady rate, so we all feel just as engaged and excited as we do right now, right up until the next expansion.
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I just hope when we do bring all our 80's to 85 (no matter how long it takes) that the end game will be interesting and dynamic. I hope Blizzard releases new content at a steady rate, so we all feel just as engaged and excited as we do right now, right up until the next expansion.
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Racing to 85 or not...i think there is a LOT of content for all levels. and just when you are finished with one...then you can find a alt that needs something else.
not complaining about nothing to do....but I do agree leveling is fast. But I guess then there is more time to do other things too.
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Well, I confess, I peeked into the Worgen zone just to see what was happening yesterday afternoon and logged off at level 20 after dinner. That's just questing. Family asked, hey, mom how's it going, and I responded "er, lemme check, I don't remember what level I am," which caused them to promptly burst into laughter amid several "there goes Bloodrose again, cutting through levels like tissue paper" comments. When I wailed back, "look, I even STOPPED and PICKED FLOWERS this time!" the laughter got worse.
So yeah, even for me, casually leveling, it was faster than normal.
Might have to do with the fact that druids don't have to do ANYTHING anymore to get cat, bear or aquatic form except cough up some dough.
Wow.
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This perception might also be due to the fact that this is the first xpac with only 5 extra levels instead of 10. That alone will make it seem a lot faster to max level.
Just a thought.
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What's funny is that when I hit 84, I was so caught up in the flow of things that I looked down and saw 9 million and change to cap, and I thought "damn, this is gonna be a long level."
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I'm shocked to be 83 already, going very fast indeed. To play devil's advocate though, I would it be a little on the side of too fast than lose another 40ish hours of my life in tree groups in Lyonesse just to get 49 to 50.
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What bothers me is that no one addressed the fact that the title of this thread is tantamount to blasphemy. 
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What bothers me is that no one addressed the fact that the title of this thread is tantamount to blasphemy.
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regulator_cracka posted:
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I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
Sad thing is, they really think it is here.
Admittedly, that doesn't come across as casual... I have 17.5 days leave remaining this year, excluding the Xmas period which I already have 10 days booked off, plus I cannot take time off in Jan because I manage a critical business process. HENCE, I have 12.5 days to take next week and the whole of Feb... I said I wouldn't, but I actually did take Wednesday off for some WOW love!! I haven't played since and I would say that my 'general' playtime is 2-4 hours a week.
BUT... the point was, that in 9 hours of relaxed playing, defined as:
- questing (and reading the quest log as I go)
- random PVP (on a PVP server)
- leveling herbology as I go (I won't level Alchemy until I hit 85, I may even sell the herbs to start with)
- a few points in Archeology to see what it was like
- a bit of flying around Hyjal/Azshara/Orig
- scanning the AH a couple of times
- Jumping into 3/4 dungeon runs (purely based on DF queue)
and ofc making lunch, coffee's, a couple of call's, an online meeting, driving to store... so perhaps 6/7 hours of actual gaming.
To hit 2.5 levels out of 5 in that time seems... fast! The first level was extremely fast, maybe 2/2.5 hours - I did half an hour of quests, then jumped in the DF queue which including the quests just about finished off the level.
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azger posted:
I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
Sad thing is, they really think it is here.
My dealer says I am not addicted... blah blah blah....
You are not alone here, many do think 8-10 hours of gaming a day is casual. I used to as well until I woke up.
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regulator_cracka posted:
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regulator_cracka posted:
[quote=azger]I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
Sad thing is, they really think it is here.
My dealer says I am not addicted... blah blah blah....
You are not alone here, many do think 8-10 hours of gaming a day is casual. I used to as well until I woke up. [/quote]
I didn't say I wasn't addicted, I said I was casual! it is a kinda casual addiction... like smoking a spliff occasionally and then going to Amsterdam for the weekend!
I've played this game since release. VN Boards and WOWHEAD are two of my most visited sites (they are both allowed at work) and I frequently fantisise about "frost nova'ing" my place of work... even though I truely don't log in game that often.
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You guys never tookt eht ime to define what level too fast means! You have ot define that before we can have an arguemnt! Otherwise we'll be discecting different definitions!
Experience gain is through through the roof imo. Big xp fom quests, xp bonus from BoA items, rested xp, xp gained from gathering, xp gained from pvping. Folks who stuck their nose to the screen made it to 85 in six hours and you're worried aobut his 2.5 levels in 8 hours being labeled casual?
Yeah, it was a serious achievement when you hit 70 in TBC. Hitting 80 in Wrath was also pretty tough / long. If hey had raised the cap to 90 instead of 85 people would still be reaching it in a day rather than just a week!!
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regulator_cracka posted:
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I'm pretty sure sitting down and playing 9 hours is not defined as casual play time.
Sad thing is, they really think it is here.
Was up for 44 hours and hit 85. It would have been 1/2 that time if I didn't jump right into the zones @ the start (major competition on a 35K pop server). Also, being a GM, I had ~15 conversations open in WIM with recruits, officers, etc.
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