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Im already seeing lvl 85s and its only been a day? Im not bashing the expansion, I think it has alot of nice new qualities but when people can exp from 80-85 in a 24 hour period seems like this expansion was more fluff and hype.
The good stuff for me is the new reciepes sll seem to have very good stats.
All of us are on equal ground again as far as armor.
Were all noobs again for at least a couple days. ( Peerinto the waters of Farseeing-- its a gold bowl looking thing on a pedistal not that blue portal swirly thing)GAH!
I can lock myself in the basement again and ignore my wife LOL
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It's not too easy for normal people who play a few hours here and there, try out the new races, and don't scurry along to the latest "max level" as though Blizzard is going hail them conquering heroes on the level of Genghis Khan because of their exploits.
As some of my friends and I were plinking along with level 5 goblins yesterday we saw a number of, "XYZ has just received the achievement of realms first level 85 Paladin" - or however the words go.
"Wonder what they are going to do now?" I asked.
"Moan and complain about nothing to do," said one.
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No matter what blizzard does, people are going to go crazy and find a way to be the first in anything and everything. For some people, that is why they play the game. For other, we enjoy exporing and experiencing the new content as a slower pace. Others like to get to 85 as fast as thier play time allows so they can experience end game content.
For the people who want be the first, well congrats to them. Enjoy your fame for the 10 seconds the achievement lasts in my chat window.
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Only ways to deal with this would be to implement a daily exp cap (which would make lots of people very upset) or just make the leveling time ridiculously high (which would make lots of people very upset).
The current situation is the best (only makes a few people upset).
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I think its still fairly hard. mobs do hit for quite a bit more and have a lot of health. Playing to 82 so far, I am amazed how people zoomed so fast to 85. I think a lot of people already had their road map for leveling planned out
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What does people leveling to 85 quickly have to do with how good an expansion is?
Cata is not to easy. Spelling is to easy.
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yeah even if they made it significantly harder to get 85, people would still be doing it within a couple days. there is a line where they have to draw in order to not alienate their biggest market - casuals.
i am happy with the pace since even though i am definitely not casual, i take my time and level slowly while doing crafting, pvp, etc. in between. not to mention all the new 1-60 content.
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It's funny all we heard about before the release was how the game was harder and it would scare away casual players, now we're seeing posts about how easy it is.
You can never please everyone.
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i never heard that? i thought the idea was that it was too short even during beta
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Well leveling was never hard IMO. However I've ran the first two new dungeons. I wouldn't call them easy.
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Cata was not made for a good ride to 85, it was made for a new 1-60 experience and new end game instances.....
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Cata was not made for a good ride to 85, it was made for a new 1-60 experience and new end game instances.....
and $40 a box 
I think you're correct though.
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Cata was not made for a good ride to 85, it was made for a new 1-60 experience and new end game instances.....
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Well leveling was never hard IMO. However I've ran the first two new dungeons. I wouldn't call them easy.
On that, I thought we were supposed to use CC in these instances. I have done the first 4 instances and have yet needed to use CC. As a pally tank I still just grab them up and instead of just aoeing them all down, theres just a few mobs we have to focus down first. Most instances are still done in <20 minutes once you figure them out.
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You are doing the tank/spank dungeons, not the heroic versions that will require heavy CC.
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Cata was not made for a good ride to 85, it was made for a new 1-60 experience and new end game instances.....
The 1-60 has never been part of and never will be part of the Cataclysm expansion. The only way that logic works is if the Cataclysm box sales paid for the development of content that's available to everyone. If that's the case, there's a larger problem here.
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TinMan52 posted:
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Cata was not made for a good ride to 85, it was made for a new 1-60 experience and new end game instances.....
The 1-60 has never been part of and never will be part of the Cataclysm expansion. The only way that logic works is if the Cataclysm box sales paid for the development of content that's available to everyone. If that's the case, there's a larger problem here.
I disagree entirely. The entire notion behind the expansion, a worldwide Cataclysm, is premised on the idea of the existing lands being fundamentally altered. While it is true that everyone can experience the 1-60 content without purchasing Cataclysm, it is also true that the development that changed the world as we know it was inspired by the Cataclysm. Many people will probably argue as well that the overall content of the 80-85 levelling experience is simply lacking compared by WotLK, and it is fairly safe to assume that some of the sales of Cataclysm went to pay for the 1-60 'free' content.
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Im sure that the first few months of cata crowd control will be used in the 85 dungeons. A few months later with an update patch or two, we're back with wotlk AE feast. I know it will happen, the question is when.
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Well leveling was never hard IMO. However I've ran the first two new dungeons. I wouldn't call them easy.
On that, I thought we were supposed to use CC in these instances. I have done the first 4 instances and have yet needed to use CC. As a pally tank I still just grab them up and instead of just aoeing them all down, theres just a few mobs we have to focus down first. Most instances are still done in <20 minutes once you figure them out.
Sprawl has a point. Also keep in mind that most people doing these dungeons with ease are coming in with raiding gear. This won't be the case for noobs leveling up. If you go from questing Northrends greens and try to do these opening dungeons with out CC you will not complete it.
I had the expirience of doing these dungeons in Cata greens as a healer. I'm a fresh 80, never raided with him, my guildies took me through the first two dungeons.
I know for a fact that if they were not all geared out and good players I would have had a real tough time healing through that dungeon. As it was we still had a few deaths. Now we also were doing them for the first time so figuring out the fights as we go but still.
I would recommend any fresh 80 group going into these dungeons to use CC.
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too, damnit.
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Flesh_Wound posted:
too, damnit.
Trifles.
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I died once. Changed my specs to Arms in the middle of mob spawns only to realize none of my keybinds were in the right place. Ran back to body and specced back to fury. Even with 3 or 4 mobs on me I don't think I get below 80% health ever. 20k victory rush heals help though :P Whenever something dies (usually 3 GCDs) I'm back to full health thanks to victory rush.
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IvanDF posted:
It's funny all we heard about before the release was how the game was harder and it would scare away casual players, now we're seeing posts about how easy it is.
You can never please everyone.
The discussions you're referring to revolved around heroic dungeons. We are still waiting to see how that really goes once there are many max level players pugging them.
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bobbanator posted:
Im already seeing lvl 85s and its only been a day? Im not bashing the expansion, I think it has alot of nice new qualities but when people can exp from 80-85 in a 24 hour period seems like this expansion was more fluff and hype.
The good stuff for me is the new reciepes sll seem to have very good stats.
All of us are on equal ground again as far as armor.
Were all noobs again for at least a couple days. ( Peerinto the waters of Farseeing-- its a gold bowl looking thing on a pedistal not that blue portal swirly thing)GAH!
I can lock myself in the basement again and ignore my wife LOL
if you think its too easy. try healing a heroic.... I am crying myself to sleep every night now thinking of healing another one
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Lol havn't healed any Heroic yet, but I think that trying to heal in level 80 quest greens was almost the same thing. I was freaken sweating. There are already certain mobs I dread, certain pulls I swear at. Some encounters that we did ended JUST as I ran outa mana, right when I'm like "That's it, its all over, I can't keep this up anymore!" the boss dies.
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will take a while until the crowd of scrubs learn how to CC and interupt properly. then it will be easier to heal....
unitl then, bring mana potions 
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The leveling is easy but I enjoyed it. The quest are amazingly simple especially with the interface including all the quest cheese type UI helpers. But the quests are often entertaining and have a nice mix of new elements mixed in so it doesn't get boring.
Some of the 85 instances start to get damage intensive.
The heroics are feeling plenty challenging as everyone gears up and learns the content. Some of the heroics I've done (deadmines, for ex) feel like 5-man raids due to the epic length and complexity of boss fights. DM even has a portal thing in it with several drop points like in ulduar or icc. That um, we kinda had to use quite a bit due to "learning." Fun as heck to be challenged a little.
And yeah. I'm tanking and me and my regular healer are freaking over the dmg and mana bar dumping while our drooling DPS are like "let's do heroic" the moment they hit 329 - while all they do is mindless plow, ignoring interrupts, caster, puddles, status effects, oblivious.
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Blizzard targets a wider audience of lay-people as opposited to the hardcore gamer. It's the reason their product is the biggest MMO seller in history.
As far as too easy?
Again, not for their target market.
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It's easy and it's hard. It's "simple to learn, difficult to master." That's been their slogan since DAY ONE - nothing has changed. Part of the game is easy, but as you progress there are more difficult options. Really, this isn't hard to grasp.
If you want challenge, that's what heroics, raids, hard-modes, and many of the related achievements are for. PvP also offers a variety of challenging avenues. There is a constant river of tears on the forums about how heroics are too hard. Bliz really can't win. edit: actually, that's wrong. They're winning big time. But whining will never cease =)
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LEVELING IS WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY TOO EASY!
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-Kurasis- posted:
bobbanator posted:
Im already seeing lvl 85s and its only been a day? Im not bashing the expansion, I think it has alot of nice new qualities but when people can exp from 80-85 in a 24 hour period seems like this expansion was more fluff and hype.
The good stuff for me is the new reciepes sll seem to have very good stats.
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Were all noobs again for at least a couple days. ( Peerinto the waters of Farseeing-- its a gold bowl looking thing on a pedistal not that blue portal swirly thing)GAH!
I can lock myself in the basement again and ignore my wife LOL
if you think its too easy. try healing a heroic.... I am crying myself to sleep every night now thinking of healing another one
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TinMan52 posted:
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Cata was not made for a good ride to 85, it was made for a new 1-60 experience and new end game instances.....
The 1-60 has never been part of and never will be part of the Cataclysm expansion. The only way that logic works is if the Cataclysm box sales paid for the development of content that's available to everyone. If that's the case, there's a larger problem here.
I think you are way off base here. If the 1-60 wasn't part of the Cataclysm expansion then why were almost all the zones reworked and molded to the Cataclysm story line.. have you done a starter zone yet? How did the box sales of Cataclysm pay for content that's been in development for 2-3 years again? If you made the statement that 1-60 content wasn't part of the BC and WOLTK expansion then I would agree. However you said that the story lines and zone changes for the Cataclysm have nothing to do with Cataclysm, the expansion... is that what you said?
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Cata was not made for a good ride to 85, it was made for a new 1-60 experience and new end game instances.....
This is totally correct. Blizzard has been unhappy with the 1-60 zones being unfinished almost since launch. What better way to redo the content the have a giant freakin' dragon burn it down and smash it to pieces? Now they have lore to support this rather then just.
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