jojo263 posted:

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I agree it's fun and maybe too fast and it's gonna feel like you hit a brick wall when you make it to outlands and have to pick up poop again in Nagrand for the 10th time

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I made a shaman somewhere around Friday, he is now lvl 45. I was in my mid 20's after 6-8hrs /played, still doing Loch Modan quests, which had been grey for 5+ levels. Imagine if I had changed zones to keep my quests yellow/orange, I would be 60+ by now.

Ridiculous...

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I disagree.  To me, it is just right and I actually like the fact that there are 4 progression paths to get to level 40 and then 3 to 55 and a 2 to 60, making it so that I can play a few more characters to 60 and not get sick of repeate content. 

Also keep in mind that for many of us raising alts, we just don't want long progression times.

In the past I did NOT do alts BECAUSE it was a long progression time. 

jojo263 posted:

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I agree it's fun and maybe too fast and it's gonna feel like you hit a brick wall when you make it to outlands and have to pick up poop again in Nagrand for the 10th time

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-Mithan- posted:

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I disagree.  To me, it is just right and I actually like the fact that there are 4 progression paths to get to level 40 and then 3 to 55 and a 2 to 60, making it so that I can play a few more characters to 60 and not get sick of repeate content. 

Also keep in mind that for many of us raising alts, we just don't want long progression times.

In the past I did NOT do alts BECAUSE it was a long progression time. 

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Arcilite_I posted:

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-Mithan- posted:

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I disagree.  To me, it is just right and I actually like the fact that there are 4 progression paths to get to level 40 and then 3 to 55 and a 2 to 60, making it so that I can play a few more characters to 60 and not get sick of repeate content. 

Also keep in mind that for many of us raising alts, we just don't want long progression times.

In the past I did NOT do alts BECAUSE it was a long progression time. 

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I think you're looking at it from a "task to be completed" perspective, I'm looking at it from an "enjoy the journey" perspective. I'm getting the feeling that there is no journey anymore in WoW, it's all about max level. Which completely defies the purpose of a role-playing game.

I shouldn't be more than halfway to level cap in 3 days of casual playing...

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-Mithan- posted:

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Enjoy the journey?
Then play a few diferent alts and do all the journeys available to you.  That is how the game has been redesigned now...

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Spookysheep posted:

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Like I've stated many times, I think literally millions of players are going to end up very disappointed and park their new toons at 60 or 61 when they hit the same old outlands crap all over again.

All this rehashing of the old zones was great at and all, but all the "new" 1 to 60 stuff is about a day or two worth of playing for millions of veteran players, then its back to the same.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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-Mithan- posted:

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Enjoy the journey?
Then play a few diferent alts and do all the journeys available to you.  That is how the game has been redesigned now...

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Content doesn't seem as engaging to me when there's absolutely no challenge. My shaman has been shredding through green and grey mobs for 20 levels, because I've been playing through the questline and following the lore. That's all I'm getting at.

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Rill_of_WE posted:

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=So in other words it will take you the same amount of time to get from 1-85 as it used to take you to get from 1-60. It feels faster because of that.

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Spookysheep posted:

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So I just need to figure out what alt I can stomach through Northrend since Outlands goes so fast again.

Don't know if I can stomach northend a 6th time though, even with 20% xp bonus

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Spookysheep posted:

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So I just need to figure out what alt I can stomach through Northrend since Outlands goes so fast again.

Don't know if I can stomach northend a 6th time though, even with 20% xp bonus

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Spookysheep posted:

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So I just need to figure out what alt I can stomach through Northrend since Outlands goes so fast again.

Don't know if I can stomach northend a 6th time though, even with 20% xp bonus

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--Syrus-- posted:

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I see what you are saying, if you play through all of the quests in every zone you are going to quickly out level the quests, and what fun is it shredding through grey mobs. I don't know a fix for that, can't really make the quests scale to your level.

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Iarwin posted:

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I see what you are saying, if you play through all of the quests in every zone you are going to quickly out level the quests, and what fun is it shredding through grey mobs. I don't know a fix for that, can't really make the quests scale to your level.

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This is where the OP has the wrong idea of what's going on here. It is not, nor should it ever be, required to complete every quest in every zone in order to level. One has nothing to do with the other. If you feel the need to complete every single quest in every single zone, then your reward for doing so is the achievements or the story/RPG aspects of doing so. Many, if not most, others simply use the quests to advance their character level. Both type of play are fine but should not interfere with each other. Questing is both a means to an end for everyone and entertainment for some that may or may not be related to the end.

TLDR: Out leveling zones before you complete all the quest lines is working as intended.

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That may be, but what Arc is getting at is that it is worse now in that respect as it has ever been. I've been around since Vanilla WoW launch, I remember what it used to be like to level through the zones and you didn't grey out quests just by trying to do most of the quests in the zone and follow the story line.

There has been multiple changes since then every one of them speeding up 1 to 60 more and more. Now with the Cata quests introduced it is so fast that quests will be green/grey when you are about half way through the zone.

I will admit, it doesn't bother me a whole lot, but that can be considered too fast. It almost feels like we are all on recruit a friend xp now. That was one of my biggest gripes with recruit a friend. For expirienced players its great to smash through the levels, but if you use the program as intended to recruit a new player, they don't understand why mobs are grey in a zone after you've done 10 quests.

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Iarwin posted:

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That may be, but what Arc is getting at is that it is worse now in that respect as it has ever been. I've been around since Vanilla WoW launch, I remember what it used to be like to level through the zones and you didn't grey out quests just by trying to do most of the quests in the zone and follow the story line.

There has been multiple changes since then every one of them speeding up 1 to 60 more and more. Now with the Cata quests introduced it is so fast that quests will be green/grey when you are about half way through the zone.

I will admit, it doesn't bother me a whole lot, but that can be considered too fast. It almost feels like we are all on recruit a friend xp now. That was one of my biggest gripes with recruit a friend. For expirienced players its great to smash through the levels, but if you use the program as intended to recruit a new player, they don't understand why mobs are grey in a zone after you've done 10 quests.

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I've not completed 1-60 yet in the new content, but I have gone 1-21 so far and Blizzard has done an outstanding job so far of telling you where you should go with multiple options. They lead you step by step, region by region, zone by zone through where you should be leveling. If anything, new players will be upset when they hit Outlands and Northrend. It's likely they'll only need three zones worth of quests in each of those before heading back to Cata. Those areas very likely will seem disjointed as they haven't been realigned at all with the new leveling curve.

This is just one of many reasons why raising the level cap with every expansion is a terrible idea.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I shouldn't be more than halfway to level cap in 3 days of casual playing...

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portablehospital posted:

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I am happy with the current state of leveling.

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Malachi256 posted:

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My question is this:

Is the time it takes to go from 1-85 now (or at least in a week) the same / more / less than the time it took to get from 1-60 in vanilla (and let's say 'late' vanilla, since I'm pretty sure they buffed the level rate during the first year)? I'd be willing to bet it's pretty close.

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Malachi256 posted:

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My question is this:

Is the time it takes to go from 1-85 now (or at least in a week) the same / more / less than the time it took to get from 1-60 in vanilla (and let's say 'late' vanilla, since I'm pretty sure they buffed the level rate during the first year)? I'd be willing to bet it's pretty close.

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It depends on your level of expirience of corse and if you are stopping to level a profession as well. I can't check right now because I am at work, but I beleive that my /played when I hit 80 was between 5 and 6 days played. I find that pretty quick concidering I took time to Fish and Cook. My Jewel Crafting and Mining are both with in 10 points of max level. I spent a lot of time at the Auction House ect.

With out all of that If I straight leveled through, I think I could easily get to 80 in under 4 days play with no help from guildies or otherwise and that is with out BoA. Now BoA can not be taking into concideration for new players but it still plays a factor for both of us.

Its hard to make a case with no hard numbers, but I do have a fresh perspective as I just started a character in late September and hit 80 just under a week ago, and it was my first time through Northrend, it was pretty dang quick. I would say significantly faster then a player could get from 1 to 60 back in Vanilla.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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We are not speaking from a new player perspective though. I agree that the new content is wonderfully done and a blast to level through so far. For today's average MMO NEW player, the beginning conent will be exciting, and engaging.

But it is incredably fast. If WoW struggles at anything it is end game and it currently has a leveling system that fast forwards players there compared to how it was before.

Personally I could do with out all the hand holding, but I'm an old school MMO'er and that is a whole different thread. Just keep in mind where the OP is coming from we are vetran players flying through this new content and for all the work they put into making these quests and the lore and the story, as fun as they are if I have to skip half of them because they're grey, that is a little disapointing.

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Spookysheep posted:

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So I just need to figure out what alt I can stomach through Northrend since Outlands goes so fast again.

Don't know if I can stomach northend a 6th time though, even with 20% xp bonus

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Spookysheep posted:

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So I just need to figure out what alt I can stomach through Northrend since Outlands goes so fast again.

Don't know if I can stomach northend a 6th time though, even with 20% xp bonus

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Iarwin posted:

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If you enjoy the quests and/or story line, then does it matter if they are gray or not?

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Fedup23 posted:

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Spookysheep posted:

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So I just need to figure out what alt I can stomach through Northrend since Outlands goes so fast again.

Don't know if I can stomach northend a 6th time though, even with 20% xp bonus

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Heirlooms plus the 20% less required exp per level.. you are at 40% faster. Believe me.. I have leveled a mage 75-78 the last couple of days and it is FLYING by. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Iarwin posted:

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If you enjoy the quests and/or story line, then does it matter if they are gray or not?

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I may like the quests and the lore, but I would like it more if I was still rewarded for completing them.

I like doing all the dungeons and raids too, but by your logic I shouldn't expect any loot from them as long as I enjoy doing them..

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Iarwin posted:

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Iarwin posted:

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If you enjoy the quests and/or story line, then does it matter if they are gray or not?

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I may like the quests and the lore, but I would like it more if I was still rewarded for completing them.

I like doing all the dungeons and raids too, but by your logic I shouldn't expect any loot from them as long as I enjoy doing them..

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That's not what I said at all. It's not even similar.

Those gray quests give achievements, rep, cash, and loot. You can't claim they don't offer rewards. You're correct in that they do not offer XP. Neither does an dungeon with gray mobs, though it offers the same cash, loot, and often rep and achievements as well.

Would you argue that gray level dungeons should also give XP?

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Fedup23 posted:

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Heirlooms plus the 20% less required exp per level.. you are at 40% faster.

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Broken_Kayfabe posted:

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Fedup23 posted:

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Heirlooms plus the 20% less required exp per level.. you are at 40% faster.

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Actually you are at ~58% faster, assuming two 10% heirlooms.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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You nerds will whine if it is too slow.


Or whine if it is too fast.


Hell you nerds whine about everything and anything constantly.


Get jobs and lives and then see what you have to whine about.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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You nerds will whine if it is too slow.


Or whine if it is too fast.


Hell you nerds whine about everything and anything constantly.


Get jobs and lives and then see what you have to whine about.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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I agree with Mithan, but for a different reason. The leveling appears to be faster, but it's actually the same. The reason it 'feels' faster is because a lot of the timesinks disappeared.

For example, the running required between Goldshire, Westfalls, and the Logging Camp disappeared due to the added fly-points. One zone used to have one fly-point at best. Now, three or more are common.

Also, some quests no longer require you to return to the originator. They link with a 'radio' in your bag.

Finally, old world mobs are not as dangerous with new world talents and skills. It's like they stuck with stick and stones while the new player-characters use machine guns and bombs.

It all adds up to an easier experience and, perhaps due to the elimination of sinks, a faster experience.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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You nerds will whine if it is too slow.


Or whine if it is too fast.


Hell you nerds whine about everything and anything constantly.


Get jobs and lives and then see what you have to whine about.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Too many responses to reply individually, so I will summarize:

I'm right.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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You nerds will whine if it is too slow.


Or whine if it is too fast.


Hell you nerds whine about everything and anything constantly.


Get jobs and lives and then see what you have to whine about.

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Talehon69 posted:

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I usually do 58-64 in Hellfire, 64-66 in Zangar, 66-68 in Nagrand and head to Borean. Only takes about 8-9 hours

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Arcilite_I posted:

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-Mithan- posted:

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I disagree.  To me, it is just right and I actually like the fact that there are 4 progression paths to get to level 40 and then 3 to 55 and a 2 to 60, making it so that I can play a few more characters to 60 and not get sick of repeate content. 

Also keep in mind that for many of us raising alts, we just don't want long progression times.

In the past I did NOT do alts BECAUSE it was a long progression time. 

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I think you're looking at it from a "task to be completed" perspective, I'm looking at it from an "enjoy the journey" perspective. I'm getting the feeling that there is no journey anymore in WoW, it's all about max level. Which completely defies the purpose of a role-playing game.

I shouldn't be more than halfway to level cap in 3 days of casual playing...

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Enjoy the journey?
Then play a few diferent alts and do all the journeys available to you.  That is how the game has been redesigned now...

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The_Korrigan posted:

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<removed quote, as this answer applies to more than just festus>

Why don't you guys just go play another, better game then, since this is bad/poor/b-team/ripoff/etc... that's the real question.

But no... you whine, yet you will purchase the expansion and pay your monthly fee, most of you will do it.
So what's your point? No point made unless you put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise, it's just like complaining that the food of a restaurant tastes like crap, yet going back to that restaurant every day (and of course, keep on whining about the bad food).

There are two possible conclusions... 1) you are stupid or 2) the food isn't that bad and you just like to whine, possibly to troll and seek attention. Your choice.

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The_Korrigan posted:

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<removed quote, as this answer applies to more than just festus>

Why don't you guys just go play another, better game then, since this is bad/poor/b-team/ripoff/etc... that's the real question.

But no... you whine, yet you will purchase the expansion and pay your monthly fee, most of you will do it.
So what's your point? No point made unless you put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise, it's just like complaining that the food of a restaurant tastes like crap, yet going back to that restaurant every day (and of course, keep on whining about the bad food).

There are two possible conclusions... 1) you are stupid or 2) the food isn't that bad and you just like to whine, possibly to troll and seek attention. Your choice.

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Festus_Stundagin posted:

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I quit playing WoW months ago.... I am playing other games. I still have an opinion about a game I played for years however and just because I don't play it doesn't mean I'm not gong to post my thoughts about it any more.

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The_Korrigan posted:

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Festus_Stundagin posted:

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I quit playing WoW months ago.... I am playing other games. I still have an opinion about a game I played for years however and just because I don't play it doesn't mean I'm not gong to post my thoughts about it any more.

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I see - you're giving opinions about content you haven't even seen yourself at all. Way to go.
Option 2), I guess.

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The_Korrigan posted:

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As I said, it's like that restaurant analogy...

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amokscience69 posted:

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If you honestly think it adds to the game to have trade skills which are only useful once you hit the level cap, then you would be just plain wrong. Arc is right. There is no incentive to level up leatherworking or enchanting as you progress, because spending 30 minutes in town catching up your gear, when it takes 20 minutes to just outlevel it again, is a broken system.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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They added restaurants in Cata?


No wonder some of you tubbies are leveling WAYYYYYYYYY too fast.

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The_Korrigan posted:

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It had to happen - one of the usual trolls pretending to know how I feel. Always entertaining when someone seems to get some satisfaction because he THINKS he could have made someone on a video game forum angry or something.

To be honest, I feel quite a bit bored, and impatiently waiting for the real thing (Cataclysm), so I pass time here, giving the trolls some of their medicine back.

And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question - although I don't expect one.
We all know the real answer anyway. As long as you pay for it, no matter how bad you pretend it is, your complains are vain. Companies like Blizzard only understand money - they are totally immune to whining as long as the whiners pay.

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Festus_Stundagin posted:

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I quit playing WoW when I got tired of the same regurgitated crap. I don't need to play or try Cataclysm to make an informed opinion based of the hundreds of reviews that have come out, much less just looking at all the class changes.

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Festus_Stundagin posted:

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I quit playing WoW when I got tired of the same regurgitated crap. I don't need to play or try Cataclysm to make an informed opinion based of the hundreds of reviews that have come out, much less just looking at all the class changes.

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siujoey posted:

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Edit: for the record, Korrigan- I think you are ignoring the most likely scenario, which is that WoW is the best game out now. (By a fairly wide margin IMO and arguably the most polished MMO ever on the market.) It is not, however, perfect. "Whining" in an attempt to voice what is wrong with the game and sharing ideas on ways to improve the game does not mean someone does not like the game. It means there are things they would change.

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Spookysheep posted:

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The funniest part of all is how Korrigan has been butthurt and crying like a school girl for literally 10 years now because he absolutely cannot stand the fact that people post opinions differing from his, then they make him look like a total idiot every time he shows his face.

Now we are at the part where he pretends to be "amused" when in reality, threads like these chap his hurt little butt so badly that he absolutely must come and whine incessantly about what people post. Note he doesn't discuss the topic hardly ever, he just cries about other's opinions about it.

I would truly be sad if Korr stopped posting here, because it has provided comedy gold for a decade now.

Don't ever change bro, for anyone!

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siujoey posted:

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Festus_Stundagin posted:

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I quit playing WoW when I got tired of the same regurgitated crap. I don't need to play or try Cataclysm to make an informed opinion based of the hundreds of reviews that have come out, much less just looking at all the class changes.

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Ummmmmm, yeah...... you do. If you form an opinion based on other reviews of an expansion that isn't even out yet, I can think of many words to describe your opinion, but "informed" is not one of them.

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Festus_Stundagin posted:

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I disagree.  To me, it is just right and I actually like the fact that there are 4 progression paths to get to level 40 and then 3 to 55 and a 2 to 60, making it so that I can play a few more characters to 60 and not get sick of repeate content. 

Also keep in mind that for many of us raising alts, we just don't want long progression times.

In the past I did NOT do alts BECAUSE it was a long progression time. 

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I think you're looking at it from a "task to be completed" perspective, I'm looking at it from an "enjoy the journey" perspective. I'm getting the feeling that there is no journey anymore in WoW, it's all about max level. Which completely defies the purpose of a role-playing game.

I shouldn't be more than halfway to level cap in 3 days of casual playing...

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Enjoy the journey?
Then play a few diferent alts and do all the journeys available to you.  That is how the game has been redesigned now...

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and that redesign is trash in the opinions of many who have played throughout the years. It's the most fantastic ripoff in the mmo genre since trammel uo.

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Rill_of_WE posted:

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I believe that Blizzard is, despite adding levels with their expansions, trying to make sure it will take you the same amount of time or less to get from 1 to max level. They don't want new players to be overwhelmed by the amount of time it takes to catch up with their friends who have been playing for years.

So in other words it will take you the same amount of time to get from 1-85 as it used to take you to get from 1-60. It feels faster because of that.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I've only critiqued the parts of the game I've experienced, which is far from everything. Nor have all my critiques been negative, so by your very definition, you're wrong twice.

You should ask Korrigan for a refund on the trolling guide he sold you.

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heiromancerdrackus posted:

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We are applying a hotfix today to all level 1-60 dungeon quests for Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms dungeons which will significantly reduce the amount of experience they award.

While dungeons should remain integral to our evolving storylines, and great places to collect gear in cooperative environments, we need to make sure each player’s questing progress remains relevant as dungeon quests are completed. In many cases we’re seeing players enter dungeons to complete quests, only to come out ahead of the leveling curve for the zones they’re in.

This change should allow players the opportunity to reap the benefits of running dungeons, while not outpacing the leveling flow from levels 1-60. At this time there are no plans for making any adjustments to dungeon quest experience for Outland, Northrend, and level 80+ Cataclysm dungeons.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/138732/dungeon-quest-experience-reduction

It was too fast. And its true. I haven't 'finished' a single zone aside from Westfall because of how much XP I gained through DF Questing.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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heiromancerdrackus posted:

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We are applying a hotfix today to all level 1-60 dungeon quests for Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms dungeons which will significantly reduce the amount of experience they award.

While dungeons should remain integral to our evolving storylines, and great places to collect gear in cooperative environments, we need to make sure each player’s questing progress remains relevant as dungeon quests are completed. In many cases we’re seeing players enter dungeons to complete quests, only to come out ahead of the leveling curve for the zones they’re in.

This change should allow players the opportunity to reap the benefits of running dungeons, while not outpacing the leveling flow from levels 1-60. At this time there are no plans for making any adjustments to dungeon quest experience for Outland, Northrend, and level 80+ Cataclysm dungeons.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/138732/dungeon-quest-experience-reduction

It was too fast. And its true. I haven't 'finished' a single zone aside from Westfall because of how much XP I gained through DF Questing.

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOM HEADSHOOOOOTTTTTTTTT

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I said quests turned green/grey way too fast. This is a byproduct of dungeon experience. Plenty of others said it, so I didn't think I needed to clarify.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Leveling is WAYYYYYYYYY too fast

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Leveling is WAYYYYYYYYY too fast

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Talehon69 posted:

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Dungeons giving a lot of Xp was only mentioned TWICE in this entire thread, and neither of those times were from you until after it was mentioned it got fixed. Nice try though.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Please quote me saying questing is too fast.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Leveling is WAYYYYYYYYY too fast

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Leveling is WAYYYYYYYYY too fast

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Arcilite_I posted:

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Leveling is WAYYYYYYYYY too fast

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Arcilite_I posted:

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I made a shaman somewhere around Friday, he is now lvl 45. I was in my mid 20's after 6-8hrs /played, still doing Loch Modan quests, which had been grey for 5+ levels. Imagine if I had changed zones to keep my quests yellow/orange, I would be 60+ by now.

Ridiculous...

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Irony.

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Jyiiga posted:

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If the lvling speed is nerfed. I will hunt you all down. o.O

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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So, which side of the rainbow do you want to stand on now?

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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....nor should it be used as a feeding frenzy for the trolls.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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But with posters like you it always will be. I was not apart of this middle school pissing contest, I just call them like I see them.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Arden.. directly responding to a bait is being baited.. no matter how you respond. Responding to a troll by saying, "I'm not playing with you cause I'm more mature!" Is no more constructive then the the UMAD image.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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In fact, I don't even expect my fellow posters to speak out against it.

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The_Korrigan posted:

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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In fact, I don't even expect my fellow posters to speak out against it.

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I would, but it wouldn't help much or change anything. All you would get is a few more smileys, a few more *chuckles* and a few more childish pictures from the local kindergarten hero crowd...
It's way more funny for me to watch them all jump through your hoops for now

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Yes, leveling is fast. But, also, yes, questing is leveling.

Don't play King Soloman on that one.

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kyrv posted:

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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Yes, leveling is fast. But, also, yes, questing is leveling.

Don't play King Soloman on that one.

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You are of course correct (duh). I'm not sure if the others really disagree with you or are trolling you, but questing is leveling, that's pretty self evident. If you quest, you level, and it's the single main method of people leveling in WoW. Has been since day one.

Also people who can't figure out the complexity of making a meaningful thread title and thread should really be the first to cast trolls.

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Back to the original comment on the questing advancing you too fast, I haven't yet done it but sounds like it will be a little bit fast for my liking, though I can do gray quests, seems like not great design, or slopppy, as Spooky might point out. ;p

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Through a blue post on the forums Blizzard has identified that the prime cause of this was xp gained through dungeons. It was scaled up a bit to high in combination with all the quests being available at the start of the dungeon.

In my expirience I could get 2+ levels in one dungeon run through dungeons like BFD.

Blizzard is going to scale back the xp in dungeons to try and fix this. If you are straight questing with no dungeons you'll probably be ok for the most part. You may still run into some green quests but they shouldn't grey out on you.

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Ardenwolfe posted:

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Through a blue post on the forums Blizzard has identified that the prime cause of this was xp gained through dungeons. It was scaled up a bit to high in combination with all the quests being available at the start of the dungeon.

In my expirience I could get 2+ levels in one dungeon run through dungeons like BFD.

Blizzard is going to scale back the xp in dungeons to try and fix this. If you are straight questing with no dungeons you'll probably be ok for the most part. You may still run into some green quests but they shouldn't grey out on you.

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My experience differs.

I've done one dungeon, Deadmines, and I can tell the speed is quite faster just from quests and mobs alone. Again, pretty much, the little things added up.

Added fly points to kill downtime, experience from nodes, new daily quests in the Stormwind, are just a few examples.

If dungeons are the 'prime' cause, I didn't do them from levels 1-30 to notice in the three days it took to get to level 30.

That's Elwynn/Stormwind, Westfalls, and Redridge with a taste of Darkshire toward level 29-30 if I recall.

That's ten levels per day playing as casual as it gets or ten levels per zone.

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Arcilite_I posted:

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My threads blow noobs minds, he/she woulda never made it past the OP

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Rill_of_WE posted:

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Weird weird weird.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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If you crap thunder.. sir, what makes you think my crap would be any less potent. You were stealing my crap! Not you're crap! Stop stealing my crap!

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Arcilite_I posted:

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--Syrus-- posted:

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If you crap thunder.. sir, what makes you think my crap would be any less potent. You were stealing my crap! Not you're crap! Stop stealing my crap!

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I crap thunder, you crap ice cream. I was throwing thunder in this thread. Pwnt.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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See Arden? This is how you do it. Learn from the master.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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I just got Arc to say that all he was doing in this thread was flinging his own crap around. Pwnt.

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regulator_cracka posted:

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True, but I would not call it a pwnt since the only one that did not see it was Arden. So no pwnt.

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