Alpha_Swift posted:

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They both imply the same thing ( avoid being hit ), but I can't find a clear explanation. For a tank, is one more important than the other?

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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From Wowwiki;

Targets of melee attacks can have a chance to parry each incoming frontal attack. A successful parry nullifies the attack (for the attacker it is like a miss) and reduces the swing timer of the defender. It is a passive ability which does not require any action to be used.
Note: When a warrior's special attack is parried, he does not lose the rage cost associated with that spell (even though the spell fails). Miss, dodge, or block events will consume the full rage cost when the spell fails.

Dodge is a form of melee mitigation where the entire melee swing is avoided. Dodge is a passive ability possessed by all players for all classes and races. However this stat is the most important to players fulfilling a tanking role. Only close range melee attacks can be dodged; a ranged attack or a spell cannot be dodged. Players can only dodge attacks if they are facing their opponent, however a mob can dodge attacks that are from behind. Incapacitated targets (stunned for example) cannot dodge.

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Alpha_Swift posted:

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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From Wowwiki;

Targets of melee attacks can have a chance to parry each incoming frontal attack. A successful parry nullifies the attack (for the attacker it is like a miss) and reduces the swing timer of the defender. It is a passive ability which does not require any action to be used.
Note: When a warrior's special attack is parried, he does not lose the rage cost associated with that spell (even though the spell fails). Miss, dodge, or block events will consume the full rage cost when the spell fails.

Dodge is a form of melee mitigation where the entire melee swing is avoided. Dodge is a passive ability possessed by all players for all classes and races. However this stat is the most important to players fulfilling a tanking role. Only close range melee attacks can be dodged; a ranged attack or a spell cannot be dodged. Players can only dodge attacks if they are facing their opponent, however a mob can dodge attacks that are from behind. Incapacitated targets (stunned for example) cannot dodge.

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"A successful parry nullifies the attack (for the attacker it is like a miss)"
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"Dodge is a form of melee mitigation where the entire melee swing is avoided"

Still confusing. Also, parry reduces the swing timer of the defender -- meaning a successful parry reduces my next swing at the attacker ( reducing my dps ). So maybe its better to dodge or even take the hit.

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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

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Parry is a dodge with an attack bonus, for the most part. Think of a swordsman parrying a tank and then counterattacking immediately. Bosses with high parry rates can be wicked, hence why tanks like to stack some Expertise to keep from getting "parry gibbed" as Mithan puts it.

Parry is harder to find on gear, and I believe is a much steeper curve. Tanks tend to stack way more dodge than parry due to these reasons.

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TinMan52 posted:

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"Parry - Parry no longer provides 100% avoidance and no longer speeds up attacks. Instead, when you parry an attack, it and the next attack will each hit for 50% damage (assuming they hit at all). In other words, Dodge is a chance to avoid 100% of the damage from one attack, Parry is a chance to avoid 50% of the damage from two attacks, and Block is a chance to avoid 30% of the damage from one attack."

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/83/cataclysm-stat-system-changes

I was looking on EJ, but it looks like many of the old threads were deleted so that new one can be created for the 4.0.3a overhaul. The above post is the blue post from when they announced the stat changes in March.

My mains are a druid and lock, so I'm familiar with the dodge mechanic, but not the parry.

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Alpha_Swift posted:

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TinMan52 posted:

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"Parry - Parry no longer provides 100% avoidance and no longer speeds up attacks. Instead, when you parry an attack, it and the next attack will each hit for 50% damage (assuming they hit at all). In other words, Dodge is a chance to avoid 100% of the damage from one attack, Parry is a chance to avoid 50% of the damage from two attacks, and Block is a chance to avoid 30% of the damage from one attack."

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/83/cataclysm-stat-system-changes

I was looking on EJ, but it looks like many of the old threads were deleted so that new one can be created for the 4.0.3a overhaul. The above post is the blue post from when they announced the stat changes in March.

My mains are a druid and lock, so I'm familiar with the dodge mechanic, but not the parry.

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Thanks for this, best answer so far. I'm not sure why Blizzard would code Dodge and Parry since they seem to do much of the same thing.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Alpha_Swift posted:

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TinMan52 posted:

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"Parry - Parry no longer provides 100% avoidance and no longer speeds up attacks. Instead, when you parry an attack, it and the next attack will each hit for 50% damage (assuming they hit at all). In other words, Dodge is a chance to avoid 100% of the damage from one attack, Parry is a chance to avoid 50% of the damage from two attacks, and Block is a chance to avoid 30% of the damage from one attack."

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/83/cataclysm-stat-system-changes

I was looking on EJ, but it looks like many of the old threads were deleted so that new one can be created for the 4.0.3a overhaul. The above post is the blue post from when they announced the stat changes in March.

My mains are a druid and lock, so I'm familiar with the dodge mechanic, but not the parry.

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Thanks for this, best answer so far. I'm not sure why Blizzard would code Dodge and Parry since they seem to do much of the same thing.

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Is it not true that some classes can dodge but not parry? Some can do both?

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