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Warlock
Bane of Agony damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Bane of Doom damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Corruption damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Death Coil damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Drain Life damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Drain Soul damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Immolate damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Incinerate damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Rain of Fire damage has been increased to be more comparable to other area-of-effect abilities.
Searing Pain damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Seed of Corruption damage has been reduced to be more comparable to other area-of-effect abilities.
Shadowbolt damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Soul Fire damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Demonology
?Hand of Gul'dan damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Destruction
?Chaos Bolt damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
?Conflagrate damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
?Shadowburn damage has been reduced by approximately 12%.
Guess I got myself a new mule
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yeah, i was wondering why EVERYTHING got reduced dmg. they weren't THAT op, weren't much of an issue for me on my mage in pvp (yeah yeah, another broken class QQ) and they were decent in pve *IF* the player knew what the hell they were doing.
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That's Cataclysm changes I thought.
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If you soulstoned yourself, then you should be fine.
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Dunno, my warlock with destro was the highest of all my dps toons and doesn't have that amazing of gear and lacks trinkets. Apparently demo was rocking too. Affliction didn't seem that great at 80. So I can see some reductions but maybe not to EVERYTHING.
Problem is, the b-team makes changes based on "feelings," not logic, player feedback, or anything remotely sensible.
Cata changes seem pretty horrible in general but when you get the details with every patch making things worse it's reaches the unbelievable stage.
Bliz seems to be banking on the fact that the majority of their players are so clueless they don't even know what's happening to the game.
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All the nerfs are in preparation for level 85, when stats on gear get buffed and people have more spellpower/attack power/int/str, etc...
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My warlock is my favorite class, but even I must admit he was OP for a bit. He destroyed my DK and moonkin both with equal gear. I tried out his affliction spec and actually did a few hundred more DPS than destro. (They were basically the same.)
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
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12% pfft
warriors got 17% nerfed
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I wouldn't call it the final nail, yet I expect warlock players will adapt as they always do.
As always, time will tell.
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The most overpowered class in the history of the game (DK) barely gets scratched while warriors and warlocks get hammered.
It someone just protesting the word "war" at Blizzard?
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Voqar posted:
Bliz seems to be banking on the fact that the majority of their players are so clueless they don't even know what's happening to the game.
QFT
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-Peo- posted:
Voqar posted:
Bliz seems to be banking on the fact that the majority of their players are so clueless they don't even know what's happening to the game.
QFT
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Ardenwolfe posted:
I wouldn't call it the final nail, yet I expect warlock players will adapt as they always do.
As always, time will tell.
It's the final nail for sure.
In fact, it's the 285th final nail!
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Elmador_MoK posted:
-Peo- posted:
Voqar posted:
Bliz seems to be banking on the fact that the majority of their players are so clueless they don't even know what's happening to the game.
QFT
Double QFT
Or maybe it is that the majority of players are clueless and so look that the changes, have no idea what is happening to the game and so the doomsaying begins. Rather appropriate the name of this expac I say. You all should join the doomsayers in the major cities I hear they are recruiting.
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You all should join the doomsayers in the major cities I hear they are recruiting.
I have been trying, but someone keeps stealing my Doomsayer robe.
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--Syrus-- posted:
Or maybe it is that the majority of players are clueless and so look that the changes, have no idea what is happening to the game and so the doomsaying begins. Rather appropriate the name of this expac I say. You all should join the doomsayers in the major cities I hear they are recruiting.
I hear the see-no-evil Blizzard apologists are recruiting too... oh wait, they are full up, my bad. Maybe an ostrich flock has some spots.
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Elmador_MoK posted:
--Syrus-- posted:
Or maybe it is that the majority of players are clueless and so look that the changes, have no idea what is happening to the game and so the doomsaying begins. Rather appropriate the name of this expac I say. You all should join the doomsayers in the major cities I hear they are recruiting.
I hear the see-no-evil Blizzard apologists are recruiting too... oh wait, they are full up, my bad. Maybe an ostrich flock has some spots.
Come on, this is pretty much the same state that the game's been in just before an xpac every single time, "B team" or not. It's naive to think that the balancing is going to look right on live servers since we're essentially missing the stat that is responsible for a significant portion of the balancing at 85.
This time last xpac ret pallies were one shotting everyone and things looked pretty broken and surprisingly enough the world didn't end. If one were to make conclusions about WotLK endgame based on the last 2 weeks of BC you'd be wrong. Making conclusions about Cata based on the last two weeks of WotLK would be equally foolhardy.
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Bitch Bitch Bitch.
I don't know how many times people have predicted the end of Warlocks.
Just an FYI for the clueless:
The game scales TOTALLY DIFFERENT BY LEVEL 85!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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-Mithan- posted:
Bitch Bitch Bitch.
I don't know how many times people have predicted the end of Warlocks.
Just an FYI for the clueless:
The game scales TOTALLY DIFFERENT BY LEVEL 85!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mithan having a bad day? WTH kinda response was that?
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Yes, we warlocks are an adaptable bunch.
However, for those of you who don't delve much into the maths about Warlocks, this is an all around nerf to the base damage of those spells, which, in the long run, is nearly nothing. Stop worrying, because this is a nerf of about 50 dps at 80, and will be nearly unnoticeable come 85.
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Elmador_MoK posted:
--Syrus-- posted:
Or maybe it is that the majority of players are clueless and so look that the changes, have no idea what is happening to the game and so the doomsaying begins. Rather appropriate the name of this expac I say. You all should join the doomsayers in the major cities I hear they are recruiting.
I hear the see-no-evil Blizzard apologists are recruiting too... oh wait, they are full up, my bad. Maybe an ostrich flock has some spots.
Come on, Syrus is right here.
Not saying warlocks got buffed, or they should be throwing parties, but I'm guessing it's attitudes and comments like the OP that make devs turn a deaf ear to players.
OP has a new mule. Great. Who cares if you don't want to play your warlock? Short list I'm thinking. Play what you want. And have a tissue.
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Typical tears before having any idea what is really happening.
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How about this little hunter sweetie nerf.......
"Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 agil & 3% increased crit damage) has had it’s requirements changed — it now requires more blue gems than red gems"
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I thought they were just trying to make things more difficult in order ot make teh cata content a little more challenging.
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How about this little hunter sweetie nerf.......
"Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 agil & 3% increased crit damage) has had it’s requirements changed — it now requires more blue gems than red gems"
They said they will change that back... but it can't be hotfixed.... so no ETA.
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Rulletwo posted:
How about this little hunter sweetie nerf.......
"Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 agil & 3% increased crit damage) has had it’s requirements changed — it now requires more blue gems than red gems"
Looks like a lot of the metas are jacked now. Sure it's a pretty minor change, but it was unnecessary and screws over a lot of people.
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-Mithan- posted:
Bitch Bitch Bitch.
I don't know how many times people have predicted the end of Warlocks.
Just an FYI for the clueless:
The game scales TOTALLY DIFFERENT BY LEVEL 85!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I expected more from you, As long as it doesn't effect your class ... all is well with the world then?
In the mean time, how many raids would love to drag along a class that is nerfed across the board?
I can see it now "Hurry and level to 85, that way you're scaled properly ... and can be a productive member of our raid"
Typical arrogance, found here.
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Mountain, meet MoleHill, you two will do well together here.
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In the mean time, how many raids would love to drag along a class that is nerfed across the board?
I can see it now "Hurry and level to 85, that way you're scaled properly ... and can be a productive member of our raid"
Typical arrogance, found here.
There's 2 weeks until no one's going to be raiding again until 85. In the meantime, you're going to be raiding a place with +30% dmg buff, so yeah, I'm not entirely sure what's wrong.
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In the mean time, how many raids would love to drag along a class that is nerfed across the board?
I can see it now "Hurry and level to 85, that way you're scaled properly ... and can be a productive member of our raid"
Typical arrogance, found here.
First of all, warlock damage is more than sufficient to clear any and all content currently available in the game, even post nerf.
Second of all, wrath raiding is for all intents and purposes over. Of course you're going to have to level to 85 to raid again. There's nothing arrogant about it those are just the facts.
This is the typical state of the game during the transition from one expansion to the other.
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However, for those of you who don't delve much into the maths about Warlocks, this is an all around nerf to the base damage of those spells, which, in the long run, is nearly nothing. Stop worrying, because this is a nerf of about 50 dps at 80, and will be nearly unnoticeable come 85.
Can you explain this further? If damage was reduced by 12% on x spell, then how is damage not still reduced by 12% on x spell when it's cast by a level 80 or level 85? I will freely admit I know nothing about game coding, but it seems logical to me that a flat % decrease would apply at all levels. What am I missing?
Also, if this is much ado about nothing and not, in fact, a nerf then why was damage to all classes not reduced 12%?
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Ashmaele posted:
Dums posted:
However, for those of you who don't delve much into the maths about Warlocks, this is an all around nerf to the base damage of those spells, which, in the long run, is nearly nothing. Stop worrying, because this is a nerf of about 50 dps at 80, and will be nearly unnoticeable come 85.
Can you explain this further? If damage was reduced by 12% on x spell, then how is damage not still reduced by 12% on x spell when it's cast by a level 80 or level 85? I will freely admit I know nothing about game coding, but it seems logical to me that a flat % decrease would apply at all levels. What am I missing?
Also, if this is much ado about nothing and not, in fact, a nerf then why was damage to all classes not reduced 12%?
Because in the overall picture they want a typical fight to last 12 seconds instead of 10 seconds. When you add up 10s of thousands of battles in your quest to 85 then they have significantly prolonged the leveling journey. The "nerf" outcry is unwarranted.
Demonkillrx : "OMG.. Wow is so easy mode.. its a joke. I need to be challenged!! **curse-disease-curse-fear** zzzzzzz"
Blizzard: "Hi Demonkillrx, we have lowered your dmg 12%"
Demonkillrx: "WHAT?! WTF..YOU &^%%ers.. I'M SHELVING THIS CHARACTER, HE IS USELESS!"
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Beezamen posted:
I expected more from you
I didn't, on several posts the temper tantrum effect is in place. WoW is perfect, didn't you know, anyone who says otherwise gets the tantrum treatment.
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They nerfed the BASE DAMAGE. Most of your damage comes from the spellpower coefficient.
For Chaos Bolt, the spellpower coefficient is 85.71% with Shadow and Flame. See below:
Before nerf:
Base damage = 1429 - 1813 for an average of 1621.
4000 spellpower x 85.71% = 3468.4.
Total damage = 3468.4 + 1621 = 5089.4
AFTER nerf:
Base damage = average of 1426.48 (12% nerf)
4000 spellpower x 85.71% = 3468.4.
Total damage = 3468.4 + 1426.48 = 4894.88
Which equals a giant 3.8% damage reduction.
Edit: Obviously, spellpower is the bigger deal here. As your spellpower goes up, base damage gets to be a smaller and smaller percentage of overall damage, making this nerf a smaller and smaller percentage.
Edit 2: Even at pre-nerf levels, base damage in this example counted for 31.8% of the damage. So to clarify- they nerfed 32% of your damage by 12%....
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Bitch Bitch Bitch.
I don't know how many times people have predicted the end of Warlocks.
Just an FYI for the clueless:
The game scales TOTALLY DIFFERENT BY LEVEL 85!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best post ever.
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Love the "everything is fine by level 85" argument. So by that logic we can re-word it to say the following? "The game sucks until you get to level 85."
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Trigeminal posted:
Love the "everything is fine by level 85" argument. So by that logic we can re-word it to say the following? "The game sucks until you get to level 85."
No you can't or people will stomp there feet and call you whiners. WoW is perfect in everway and they never make any mistakes. All changes are magnificent and completely warranted.
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It's funny how the whiners totally ignore the little bit of logic that was presented on this thread and just continue to whine and cry.
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NukeMage posted:
It's funny how the whiners totally ignore the little bit of logic that was presented on this thread and just continue to whine and cry.
Maths are hard!
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The truth is, we do not know the true effect until you place all the talents, gear, and levels into play. We can only do that at level 85.
And, as a reminder, someone screams this very thing each time a new expansion comes out. Once we hit the max level with the increased gear stats and the like, the complaint vanishes.
So, call those with calmer resolve jaded, but even though Deathwing altered the lands . . . the sky is not falling.
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Ardenwolfe posted:
The truth is, we do not know the true effect until you place all the talents, gear, and levels into play. We can only do that at level 85.
And, as a reminder, someone screams this very thing each time a new expansion comes out. Once we hit the max level with the increased gear stats and the like, the complaint vanishes.
So, call those with calmer resolve jaded, but even though Deathwing altered the lands . . . the sky is not falling.
Thank you.
siujoey - thanks for that nice breakdown, not everyone is ignoring it. 
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You can scream about not know the effects til 85 all you want. But the same thing was said about not being lv 80, and when 80 was reached, the crap was still broken. And nerfed, then unnerfed, then neerfed again, then changed, then the changes were nerfed. Then more changes, which were then fixed, then nerfed, then...
After a while, even the most staunch and blind of supporters has to admit, that the Dev team is garbage. I asm not even gonna go into how changes were proposed and then when the time for change arrived EXACTLY the opposite was done. If you don't want to admit it, feel free to get mad every time someone points it out and start cursing.
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-Peo- posted:
You can scream about not know the effects til 85 all you want. But the same thing was said about not being lv 80, and when 80 was reached, the crap was still broken. And nerfed, then unnerfed, then neerfed again, then changed, then the changes were nerfed. Then more changes, which were then fixed, then nerfed, then...
After a while, even the most staunch and blind of supporters has to admit, that the Dev team is garbage. I asm not even gonna go into how changes were proposed and then when the time for change arrived EXACTLY the opposite was done. If you don't want to admit it, feel free to get mad every time someone points it out and start cursing.
We must have been playing different games for the last 6 years. Aside from the fact that adjustments were made over the course of this expansion, just like every other expansion and every other MMO ever made, your posts just don't comport with reality.
Your claim that today's balancing will reflect the balance in two weeks even though a key stat is almost entirely missing from the game and half the classes/specs in the game are missing key talents is naive and uninformed.
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To each his own, I see the development of this game differently that you. I read the posts that the Devs makes and what they "want" to do, and then 2 weeks later read the same Dev saying the complete opposite. I see them claiming they want to give people more choice and eliminate cookie cutter specs and then make it so everyone is exactly the same. But that is my opinion, you are welcome to yours.
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kyrv posted:
Ardenwolfe posted:
The truth is, we do not know the true effect until you place all the talents, gear, and levels into play. We can only do that at level 85.
And, as a reminder, someone screams this very thing each time a new expansion comes out. Once we hit the max level with the increased gear stats and the like, the complaint vanishes.
So, call those with calmer resolve jaded, but even though Deathwing altered the lands . . . the sky is not falling.
Thank you.
siujoey - thanks for that nice breakdown, not everyone is ignoring it.
Is siu for Southern?
Yessir, it is. Carbondale ftw! (My liver was not a fan.)
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-Peo- posted:
To each his own, I see the development of this game differently that you. I read the posts that the Devs makes and what they "want" to do, and then 2 weeks later read the same Dev saying the complete opposite. I see them claiming they want to give people more choice and eliminate cookie cutter specs and then make it so everyone is exactly the same. But that is my opinion, you are welcome to yours.
We don't know how things are at 85, that was Mithan's point.
Knowing this, isn't it incredibly stupid to state a class has the final nail in the coffin? That's ignoring that balancing isn't done, and they will make adjustments at 85. Which I'm sure you know.
Basically my question is, you do understand that there is no final nail in any class, right?
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People need to learn to disagree / try and get their point across without being so childish. Seriously the responses in this thread remind me why I left this board.
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Ferrydust posted:
People need to learn to disagree / try and get their point across without being so childish. Seriously the responses in this thread remind me why I left this board.
You failed at leaving it.
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