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I've been playing my Pally in Heroics in a Prot spec as DPS. I still get complaints asking why a tank specced Pally is DPS. My gear is DPS. I never land on the bottom of the DPS chart and frequently top the DPS chart. Even when I'm out DPSin the whole group I get complaints. If the group is not suffering and the person is holding their own then why care what people play?
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Just because the group is not suffering doesn't mean the group couldn't be doing better. Sure its viable, just like I can heal a group in elemental spec, but it isn't quite as good and if things go south I will have a much harder time pulling the group through it.
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Blame Blizzard for defining exactly what each spec is 'required' to be doing. The majority of players are only gobbling up whatever their overlords dictate.
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Listen friend, this here is World of Warcraft. There's no room in this game for individuality or playing outside the exact spec and set up that is accepted by the mouth breathing masses handed down by the raiding elite. In this world you can easily define how good a player is simply by adding up the iLvL of their gear and calculating a "score" of sorts from it.
Don't try to be creative, and whatever you do don't try to enjoy playing the game. Anything outside the norm is to be frowned upon and derided.
Enjoy your time.
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People play Ret as DPS because Ret is the DPS tree. Unfortunate ventures into other trees as DPS has resulted in a flavor of the month run and thus further results in hotfix nerfage of the wandering spec type. That's why no one bothers to learn to DPS at prot. It will be nerfed eventually.
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Listen friend, this here is World of Warcraft. There's no room in this game for individuality or playing outside the exact spec and set up that is accepted by the mouth breathing masses handed down by the raiding elite. In this world you can easily define how good a player is simply by adding up the iLvL of their gear and calculating a "score" of sorts from it.
Don't try to be creative, and whatever you do don't try to enjoy playing the game. Anything outside the norm is to be frowned upon and derided.
Enjoy your time.
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Lol I'd love to see how you would react in game when a shadow priest steps up to heal your heroic.
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Listen friend, this here is World of Warcraft. There's no room in this game for individuality or playing outside the exact spec and set up that is accepted by the mouth breathing masses handed down by the raiding elite. In this world you can easily define how good a player is simply by adding up the iLvL of their gear and calculating a "score" of sorts from it.
Don't try to be creative, and whatever you do don't try to enjoy playing the game. Anything outside the norm is to be frowned upon and derided.
Enjoy your time.
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Lol I'd love to see how you would react in game when a shadow priest steps up to heal your heroic.
I'd love to see how you react to a post that was pretty clearly sarcasm... oh wait.
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slythetove posted:
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slythetove posted:
Listen friend, this here is World of Warcraft. There's no room in this game for individuality or playing outside the exact spec and set up that is accepted by the mouth breathing masses handed down by the raiding elite. In this world you can easily define how good a player is simply by adding up the iLvL of their gear and calculating a "score" of sorts from it.
Don't try to be creative, and whatever you do don't try to enjoy playing the game. Anything outside the norm is to be frowned upon and derided.
Enjoy your time.
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Lol I'd love to see how you would react in game when a shadow priest steps up to heal your heroic.
I'd love to see how you react to a post that was pretty clearly sarcasm... oh wait.
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No indication of sarcasum in the post, just sounded like another sour WoW player, don't know your post history to well but I am leaning towards saying, "Nice backpeddle" on this one. 
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Sarcastic truth.
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slythetove posted:
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[quote=slythetove]Listen friend, this here is World of Warcraft. There's no room in this game for individuality or playing outside the exact spec and set up that is accepted by the mouth breathing masses handed down by the raiding elite. In this world you can easily define how good a player is simply by adding up the iLvL of their gear and calculating a "score" of sorts from it.
Don't try to be creative, and whatever you do don't try to enjoy playing the game. Anything outside the norm is to be frowned upon and derided.
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Lol I'd love to see how you would react in game when a shadow priest steps up to heal your heroic.
I'd love to see how you react to a post that was pretty clearly sarcasm... oh wait.
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No indication of sarcasum in the post, just sounded like another sour WoW player, don't know your post history to well but I am leaning towards saying, "Nice backpeddle" on this one. [/quote]
You can't be serious. Read the post again. If you still think that it wasn't blatantly sarcastic you're as dumb as a box of chocolates.
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Blame Blizzard for defining exactly what each spec is 'required' to be doing. The majority of players are only gobbling up whatever their overlords dictate.
That's right, damn Blizzard for making DPS trees better at DPSing than healing/tank trees. How dare they assume you will use a healing or tanking tree when healing or tanking! Next, Blizzard is going to tell me that I need less elemental spellcasting and more melee as an enhancement shaman or that I can't enter the LFD queue as the tank role when playing my mage! THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!111
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Oh please. No indication of sarcasm?
"Don't try to be creative, and whatever you do don't try to enjoy playing the game. Anything outside the norm is to be frowned upon and derided."
that reeks of sarcasm even on a sleep deprived monday morning where my sense are still dulled.
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I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
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Sarcastic truth.
This. You may have been sarcastic, but for some players this rings true. I thought you might be one of those players.
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People play Ret as DPS because Ret is the DPS tree. Unfortunate ventures into other trees as DPS has resulted in a flavor of the month run and thus further results in hotfix nerfage of the wandering spec type. That's why no one bothers to learn to DPS at prot. It will be nerfed eventually.
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I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
Because you're in my group, and if things go bad you're the first to be blamed. You may pay for your own account, but you're on 4 other peoples clocks when you join a group.
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I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
Because you're in my group, and if things go bad you're the first to be blamed. You may pay for your own account, but you're on 4 other peoples clocks when you join a group.
Why am I on those 4 people's clocks....is their time more important than mine?
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I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
I just queue as healer (for the near instant wait time) and then smite heal / shield as needed. I'm often top DPS on bosses while healing everyone this way. It's loads of fun. I wish it worked better in raids. Perhaps they'll work the bugs out of the range and someday it will!
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I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
I just queue as healer (for the near instant wait time) and then smite heal / shield as needed. I'm often top DPS on bosses while healing everyone this way. It's loads of fun. I wish it worked better in raids. Perhaps they'll work the bugs out of the range and someday it will!
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Well, I queue as both generally, but when DPS comes up I just stay Disc....my hope is that Disc priests become the hybrid dps/healer of this expansion. As far as the mechanics go, it's beginning to look that way.
EDIT: Healers wait almost as long as DPS on my server 
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EDIT: Healers wait almost as long as DPS on my server
Wow, that's crazy to imagine there are clusters where there are that many healers. The only thing faster than queuing as a healer for mine is queuing as a tank (instant every single time).
Disc is definitely fun for me in 5 mans. I tried Holy just to see how it was and honestly I just found it incredibly boring. I've got my fingers crossed that they iron out the raid play of the smite spec disc priest because for me doing both DPS and healing keeps me more entertained than either alone.
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Talehon69 posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
Because you're in my group, and if things go bad you're the first to be blamed. You may pay for your own account, but you're on 4 other peoples clocks when you join a group.
Why am I on those 4 people's clocks....is their time more important than mine?
Actually, yes. Even assuming that everybody's time is worth exactly the same amount there are 4 of them and 4 > 1.
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EDIT: Healers wait almost as long as DPS on my server
Wow, that's crazy to imagine there are clusters where there are that many healers. The only thing faster than queuing as a healer for mine is queuing as a tank (instant every single time).
Disc is definitely fun for me in 5 mans. I tried Holy just to see how it was and honestly I just found it incredibly boring. I've got my fingers crossed that they iron out the raid play of the smite spec disc priest because for me doing both DPS and healing keeps me more entertained than either alone.
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I've never even pondered Holy, I PvP a ton and cast times in pvp are just bad. One of my cousins that plays was leveling/questing as Holy on her first character so she could heal for quick dungeon queues. Once I talked her into dual spec and Shadow/Disc, she laughs at the thought of playing Holy. It's a shame, the tree has a lot of potential but the talent panel holds true in the sense that it's the middle child who simply isn't getting the same amount of love.
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Actually, yes. Even assuming that everybody's time is worth exactly the same amount there are 4 of them and 4 > 1.
That's so flawed it's beyond debate.
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Actually, yes. Even assuming that everybody's time is worth exactly the same amount there are 4 of them and 4 > 1.
That's so flawed it's beyond debate.
Couldn't come up with anything so you evaded?
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Actually, yes. Even assuming that everybody's time is worth exactly the same amount there are 4 of them and 4 > 1.
That's so flawed it's beyond debate.
Couldn't come up with anything so you evaded?
Uh no, I was even going to attempt to explain to you how saying that he is responsible for 4 other peoples play time doesn't make any sense but it was like trying to explain why a stream flows down hill...
Each person is responsible for their own play time, and I play knowing that any group could wipe at anytime. It is beyond foolish to say that the person who has wiped your party has cost you money.
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The funny thing is, how the hell would a wipe be my fault. I am dps/healing simultaneously. In essence, you could combine my dps/hps to get an overall performance, and odds are it would outdo the dps or hps of everyone else in the group on an individual basis.
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This is why I took Sly's initial post seriously. You read half the drivel posted on this forum, how are you suppose to tell scarcasum from stupidity?
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This is why I took Sly's initial post seriously. You read half the drivel posted on this forum, how are you suppose to tell scarcasum from stupidity?
Sarcasm w/o emoticons can be tricky...especially for us intelligent, analytical, perceptive and really really really good looking types.
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This is why I took Sly's initial post seriously. You read half the drivel posted on this forum, how are you suppose to tell scarcasum from stupidity?
Sarcasm w/o emoticons can be tricky...especially for us intelligent, analytical, perceptive and really really really good looking types.
Its a tough life.
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Sarcasm w/o emoticons can be tricky...especially for us intelligent, analytical, perceptive and really really really good looking types.
ow, ow ow. My stomach hurts from laughing out loud IRL.
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Sarcasm w/o emoticons can be tricky...especially for us intelligent, analytical, perceptive and really really really good looking types.
ow, ow ow. My stomach hurts from laughing out loud IRL.
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At the OP..
Holler when you hit 12k dps as prot...
Until then I'll keep expecting DPS pallies to be Ret.
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Arcilite_I posted:
--Syrus-- posted:
This is why I took Sly's initial post seriously. You read half the drivel posted on this forum, how are you suppose to tell scarcasum from stupidity?
Sarcasm w/o emoticons can be tricky...especially for us intelligent, analytical, perceptive and really really really good looking types.
Was that sarcasm? 
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W-wait.. was, was it open bar?
As Arc said, now you'll never know.
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Arcilite_I posted:
The funny thing is, how the hell would a wipe be my fault. I am dps/healing simultaneously. In essence, you could combine my dps/hps to get an overall performance, and odds are it would outdo the dps or hps of everyone else in the group on an individual basis.
False logic, since recount doesn't have a combined dps/heal tab it must not be real. There is no spoon.
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I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
Why in the world does a heroic need 2 healers? You must be in some pretty bad groups if you need 2 healers.
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IvanDF posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
Why in the world does a heroic need 2 healers? You must be in some pretty bad groups if you need 2 healers.
They don't need two healers.
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IvanDF posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
Why in the world does a heroic need 2 healers? You must be in some pretty bad groups if you need 2 healers.
Please show me where I said heroics need 2 healers...
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I've leveled to 77 so far as prot and every now and then I queue as dps in between quests. No one complains and if the tank dies or leaves or w/e, up goes righteous fury and everyone goes ... wow! pallys are OP
I doubt I will dps as prot once I tempacap if there's such a word.
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I've been playing my Pally in Heroics in a Prot spec as DPS. I still get complaints asking why a tank specced Pally is DPS. My gear is DPS. I never land on the bottom of the DPS chart and frequently top the DPS chart. Even when I'm out DPSin the whole group I get complaints. If the group is not suffering and the person is holding their own then why care what people play?
In a 5 man, it doesn't matter. As long as your group does 6000 dps, your tank is Def Capped and your Healer doesn't have a hole in his/her brain, you will win the boss fights. Tanks can easily DPS in 5 mans without an issue.
On a Raid I would kick your ass out and find somebody better, but only after I kicked out the other idiots who let you pass them by in DPS.
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bragz22 posted:
I've been playing my Pally in Heroics in a Prot spec as DPS. I still get complaints asking why a tank specced Pally is DPS. My gear is DPS. I never land on the bottom of the DPS chart and frequently top the DPS chart. Even when I'm out DPSin the whole group I get complaints. If the group is not suffering and the person is holding their own then why care what people play?
You are playing in some VERY bad 5 mans. Terribly bad.
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Arcilite_I posted:
I queue for DPS as Disc all the time, it's fun and the extra heals make heroics go super duper fast fast. People ask why I'm DPS'ing as Disc, I ask them why they're worried about an account they don't pay for. Rarely are there any questions after that
My priests DPS is bad enough as it is so I wouldn't dream of doing this... but I frequently heal heroics in Shadow spec, If I have a well geared tank I rarely have to step out of shadow form and only then it is to heal between mobs.
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
bragz22 posted:
I've been playing my Pally in Heroics in a Prot spec as DPS. I still get complaints asking why a tank specced Pally is DPS. My gear is DPS. I never land on the bottom of the DPS chart and frequently top the DPS chart. Even when I'm out DPSin the whole group I get complaints. If the group is not suffering and the person is holding their own then why care what people play?
You are playing in some VERY bad 5 mans. Terribly bad.
I've seen some with RDF that the high dps beyond me was 900. As a healer, I still had the highest dps... People just either do not care or don't know how to play the class. So easy to level a char now that they can get to 80 and not have a clue.
As far as the OP goes...If you have the highest dps in the group while dpsing prot...find a better group.
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This would be the place where I would ordinarily talk about the grouping mentality and how each individual of a group, even if it's a PuG has the tacit responsibility to actually do the best they can as part of the group in the role they've chosen.
Unfortunately very few people a) on this board and b) in this game care about such things.
Ret DPS > Prot DPS
Shadow DPS > Disc DPS
Disc Healing > Smite or Shadow Healing
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This would be the place where I would ordinarily talk about the grouping mentality and how each individual of a group, even if it's a PuG has the tacit responsibility to actually do the best they can as part of the group in the role they've chosen.
Unfortunately very few people a) on this board and b) in this game care about such things.
Ret DPS > Prot DPS
Shadow DPS > Disc DPS
Disc Healing > Smite or Shadow Healing
This.
It's amusing how that individualism and lack of team spirit is reflected in the posting habits here... "I R PLAY LIEK I WANT!" "NOBODY TELLS ME HOW 2 PLAY!!" "STFU NUB I R DOING DPS WITH DISC SPEC!" "I PWN UR DPS WITH MY PROT SPEC!"... some threads here sound like the WoW Trade chat channel.
And if such a "rebel" ever managed to infiltrate my guild, like Mithan said, he'll get the boot during the first raid... but I doubt it will happen, we recruit people with a brain, not VN board kindergarten heroes.
Oh, and Cawlin... you can be sure that if wipes happen, those same persons will be the first to point fingers at the others telling them how they suck and they fail.
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I tend to agree... your time is less important than mine (as a general rule, everyones time is less important as mine), not to mention the combined time of everyone else in the group.
Be creative on your own time....don't waste my time and everyone elses just because you want to try and be different.
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It's nice of the last three posters to prove my original sarcastic point. Two of them I'd expect nothing less from in fact.
Look, at this point many of us are running heroics in 251+ gear. These things were designed for 187 blues.
In smite spec I can do over 4k dps (bursts on bosses over 5k) all while healing everyone around the boss.
Often times I've been top DPS doing this as well. It's not an issue. Yes I can do 7k in my shadow spec. Who cares? If you think about it I'm actually speeding up the run most of the time because instead of 3 dps and a healer doing zero we have 4 DPS.
Nobody ever said "lolz I raid ICC and DPS in my offspec because I r l33t". We're talking about dated heroics here people. Engage your brain.
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It's nice of the last three posters to prove my original sarcastic point. Two of them I'd expect nothing less from in fact.
Look, at this point many of us are running heroics in 251+ gear. These things were designed for 187 blues.
In smite spec I can do over 4k dps (bursts on bosses over 5k) all while healing everyone around the boss.
Often times I've been top DPS doing this as well. It's not an issue. Yes I can do 7k in my shadow spec. Who cares? If you think about it I'm actually speeding up the run most of the time because instead of 3 dps and a healer doing zero we have 4 DPS.
Nobody ever said "lolz I raid ICC and DPS in my offspec because I r l33t". We're talking about dated heroics here people. Engage your brain.
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The problem isn't the dated heroics. It's the upcoming new heroics. I know you well enough as an intelligent poster that you'd be doing what you could for the group. Not putting it in danger just so you can DPS instead of heal. But others don't know the difference or don't care.
I think that's why you get such strong responses on topics such as this. People who 'try to be different' are fine.... as long as they don't hinder or endanger the group. Half the people posting on this thread want to make sure that last half of the sentence is there.
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The simple reason that any tank spec (prot, bear, etc) shouldn't be filling a dps role is because they are all designed to be enhanced by getting hit. If you're a tank spec and you're not getting hit, you're not reaching your full potential.
Sure, you can do okay, but you can't shine. If you want to be mediocre in order to be unique, that's fine, but don't expect strangers to put up with it. That's what guilds of close friends are for - trying out unconventional, and often less effective (but possibly more fun, or at least novel), stuff.
edit: and on the whole offspec thing, towards the end of WotLK my wife was actually re-engaged with the incredibly faceroll 5-mans by healing them in shadow. Especially when our guild tank was tanking, she could get through 90+% of the instance without switching out (shield + vampire heals were enough) all while doing excellent dps. It made the runs go much faster, and she had fun juggling the two roles. Of course on harder content she would go to her holy main spec.
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Everyone playing WoW has the right to be stupid. You see evidence of it daily, especially if you join trade chat. You might wonder how some people manage to get online at all.
DPSing in a tank build is hard to appreciate. It's, well, it's dumb. It's not blizzard forcing you to do anything. Different trees have different purposes and you can use them correctly (requires almost no intelligence and even trade chat morons can figure it out) or you can intentionally be inefficient and ineffective.
If you can't do more dps in ret than you can in prot, then either your gear is utter garbage or you don't know how to play.
The fact that you can out dps other people means nothing, because WoW is full of clueless underachievers and IMO, most people still doing heroics at this point are probably fresh alts or new 80's with rare appearances by bored seasoned players getting a few points to save (which IMO is a waste of time since cata instances will give way more points).
DPS players are usually the most prone to cluelessness since out of all the ez-modes in the game, DPSing is the easiest. People who can't handle tanking or healing are going to dps only...and may not even get dpsing down. And if you can't figure out how to dps worth a crap....oy...stick to spamming idiocy in trade chat or go back to coloring books.
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Let's put this in perspective, though. At this point, we are talking about HEROIC 5 MANs. So DPSing in prot/heal spec as opposed to a dps spec means doing 4k dps instead of 7k or something similar. If that is the case- who cares? If it now takes me 23 minutes to run the heroic instead of 20.... I think I will be ok. And if you are the guy dpsing in a prot spec and get booted for it under these circumstances... thank them- you are better off not having to deal with those people.
Now, if you are doing 1k dps in a prot spec, that's another story.
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Rill_of_WE posted:
slythetove posted:
It's nice of the last three posters to prove my original sarcastic point. Two of them I'd expect nothing less from in fact.
Look, at this point many of us are running heroics in 251+ gear. These things were designed for 187 blues.
In smite spec I can do over 4k dps (bursts on bosses over 5k) all while healing everyone around the boss.
Often times I've been top DPS doing this as well. It's not an issue. Yes I can do 7k in my shadow spec. Who cares? If you think about it I'm actually speeding up the run most of the time because instead of 3 dps and a healer doing zero we have 4 DPS.
Nobody ever said "lolz I raid ICC and DPS in my offspec because I r l33t". We're talking about dated heroics here people. Engage your brain.
--Sly
The problem isn't the dated heroics. It's the upcoming new heroics. I know you well enough as an intelligent poster that you'd be doing what you could for the group. Not putting it in danger just so you can DPS instead of heal. But others don't know the difference or don't care.
I think that's why you get such strong responses on topics such as this. People who 'try to be different' are fine.... as long as they don't hinder or endanger the group. Half the people posting on this thread want to make sure that last half of the sentence is there.
Right now, well, as of yesterday, you could run through those heroics speccd as a paper towel and still do decent DPS (yay for hyperbole!)
Being serious about new instances, raids, etcetera and not doing the necessary contribution to the group? Not likely to happen. Not in a PuG when most of the poplulation is still gearing up and struggling. Not in a raid group working on progression.
I think most of the posters out here are intelligent enough to have already played the game "correctly" in a way that contributes to the group without hindering it or endangering it. They've been around. They know the ropes. They understand group success = individual success. And are currently having a vacation from the restrictions in the past and those that they know will be coming.
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