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Zarhym posted:
As you're all aware by now, the shattering of Azeroth will drastically and permanently alter the continents of Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. In the wake of Deathwing's devastation, adventurers will be summoned to embark on new quests from levels 1 to 60 in these transformed territories -- and with so much new content to be found on these original two continents, many original quests will no longer be available after the shattering occurs. These quests will automatically be removed from your quest log, while any quests you?ve accepted that still exist in Azeroth will remain in your log.
You may be wondering how the shattering will affect the Loremaster achievements. If you've already completed Loremaster of Eastern Kingdoms or Loremaster of Kalimdor, you will not lose your achievements. However, if you've made progress toward these achievements without yet completing them, be aware that any quests that are removed from the game will no longer count toward your progress, so you may see your achievement quest counter drop. If you?re close to earning either of these achievements, we strongly suggest you finish them with great haste, as Deathwing's return is imminent.
In addition, the Loremaster achievements are being redesigned slightly to make them easier to track. Rather than having players complete a huge number of quests throughout a single continent, the criteria will change so that you will instead need to complete a set number of quests in each zone. Once you've earned the achievements for each listed zone on a continent, you will then be awarded the Loremaster achievement for that continent. For those who do have Loremaster of Kalimdor or Eastern Kingdoms completed already, you can still go back and get the new achievements for questing in individual zones on those continents.
We look forward to giving you an opportunity to take on brand new adventures in these classic zones. The times they are a-changin'.
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So glad I am not playing any longer(or in Cataclysm). Some of the stupidest game decisions I've ever seen because they are too lazy to find a way to make new code work with old code, on top of the countless other changes I completely disagreed with.
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This expansion is going to end up not being as successful as blizzard hoped.
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People will still buy it but I do agree there will be a lot of people closing their accounts shortly after. Also be ready to see new Subscription plans like eq2 that's what this whole xpac is about.
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Also stay indoors because the sky is falling..
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Spookysheep posted:
This expansion is going to end up not being as successful as blizzard hoped.
Oh, I predict record breaking sales numbers.
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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
Spookysheep posted:
This expansion is going to end up not being as successful as blizzard hoped.
Oh, I predict record breaking sales numbers.
Probably will be the most successful expansion for the game.
New content 1-60 + New Content for higher levels and its a no brainer.
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SlyLoK posted:
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
Spookysheep posted:
This expansion is going to end up not being as successful as blizzard hoped.
Oh, I predict record breaking sales numbers.
Probably will be the most successful expansion for the game.
New content 1-60 + New Content for higher levels and its a no brainer.
i agree...also because there is no alternative atm to turn too...which sucks!
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We hear the doom-and-gloom everytime a new expansion comes out. Like Sprawl, I expect it to break records in sales. But, regardless, I'm eager to play it.
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Hard to tell if you guys are being sarcastic or not. This expansion will be HUGE. Probably the most sold game this winter for sure, possibly the most sold expansion in the history of WoW.
Over 12 million subscribers.
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Spookysheep posted:
This expansion is going to end up not being as successful as blizzard hoped.
No idea what they are hoping for, so this could be true, but I think it's going to be a huge success.
Big numbers. Huge.
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Spookysheep posted:
This expansion is going to end up not being as successful as blizzard hoped.
Serious question for you Spooky: are you measuring "success" at launch (number of boxes sold) or subscriptions 3-6 months later?
Because I think those will tell 2 different stories.
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Auenwing posted:
Serious question for you Spooky: are you measuring "success" at launch (number of boxes sold) or subscriptions 3-6 months later?
Because I think those will tell 2 different stories.
Yeah that's what I think too.
Throwing more of the same only works for so long, and ennui and apathy had infected WotLK much faster than it did BC as it was.
Big sales numbers, but they're going to have to show more talent than the B-team has so far to get the retention to go with it.
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Basically, this is a complete revision of the game. One of the more difficult challenges in MMO's is how do you keep the gap between old-timers and potential new players from getting so far apart that you simply lose the new players. Well, this is a direct answer to that problem. By bringing your high levels back to the starter areas, you will have a massively populated game area where even new players will feel like they are part of a bustling game world. Pretty ingenious imo.
Eventually the game will start to fade in popularity, we all know that. However, I think this expac is going to set a new record for initial sales. Will people stay around 6 months or more? Hard to say right now, but I would not bet against it. Every time the naysayers proclaim the death knell for WoW, they make a new milestone sub announcement it seems. All I know is that it is always amusing reading the comments of gamers. They always shout for change and when they get it, they rarely like it. If I find that Cat has completely killed WoW within a few months of it's release, I have still gotten my moneys worth in entertainment value and that is all that matters to me. I'll leave the post-mortem to those experts here.
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Broken_Kayfabe posted:
Throwing more of the same only works for so long, and ennui and apathy had infected WotLK much faster than it did BC as it was.
I love when random people on a not even very popular anymore forum pretend talking for everyone else... 
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
Basically, this is a complete revision of the game. One of the more difficult challenges in MMO's is how do you keep the gap between old-timers and potential new players from getting so far apart that you simply lose the new players. Well, this is a direct answer to that problem. By bringing your high levels back to the starter areas, you will have a massively populated game area where even new players will feel like they are part of a bustling game world. Pretty ingenious imo.
Eventually the game will start to fade in popularity, we all know that. However, I think this expac is going to set a new record for initial sales. Will people stay around 6 months or more? Hard to say right now, but I would not bet against it. Every time the naysayers proclaim the death knell for WoW, they make a new milestone sub announcement it seems. All I know is that it is always amusing reading the comments of gamers. They always shout for change and when they get it, they rarely like it. If I find that Cat has completely killed WoW within a few months of it's release, I have still gotten my moneys worth in entertainment value and that is all that matters to me. I'll leave the post-mortem to those experts here.
If Blizzard was worried about the gap between old players and new, they'd stop adding levels with every expansion. This expansion is no different. In fact, this seems to be the first time they're unabashedly recycling content with no subtext or any semblance of pretending otherwise. While I find that somewhat cheesy, I give them kudos for being open about it this time.
That's not really my concern for this expansion though. My concern is that I really like the fact that they claim you won't be able to faceroll through it. LK was not a great expansion. It was all about easy. Get more people. Get more subs. Appeal to the masses. Great way to run a business. Bad way to make a game entertaining. It sounds like the new expansion will be trending back towards BC in that instances will be harder. Encounters will go beyond tank and spank. People will have to know how to play their classes again. The cries of the masses will reach the heavens and in about 4 months, Blizzard will nerf everything and turn on easy mode again. That's what my concern is.
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
Basically, this is a complete revision of the game. One of the more difficult challenges in MMO's is how do you keep the gap between old-timers and potential new players from getting so far apart that you simply lose the new players. Well, this is a direct answer to that problem. By bringing your high levels back to the starter areas, you will have a massively populated game area where even new players will feel like they are part of a bustling game world. Pretty ingenious imo.
Agreed. I just wish they were revamping all the zones. From what I understand, there are several (Silithus comes to mind) which will be receiving no changes at all. I love that zone and I hate that it has become a ghost town given all the awesome content. In fact, my biggest disappointment with both expansions was the fact that they rendered the > level 55 old world obsolete.
As to the OP, I wonder how this is going to affect the Explorer achievement chain. I've explored all of Kalimdor and EK with the exception of the Isle of Quel'Danas. AFAIK I can't finish exploring EK because I can't reach Quel'Danas until level 65 (I'm 63 now). If people haven't completely explored a continent, and the continent changes, are their maps going to be reset?
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I think Cata will do quite well, in initial sales and in retention. And whlie I personnaly prefer the harder content, I won't lose any sleep if they simplify it, a'la ICC buff, after release so more people can enjoy it. I work hard at work, I rather enjoy my hobby and not feel like I have a second job again. As to the downfall of WoW? Well there is nothing else out, and nothing in the immediate future (that I'm aware of or consider even remotely close) to competing with WoW. Frankly, I think WoW will only have a serious contender when Blizzard releases their new mmo.
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WoW drove me back to EQ.
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Well I have a little bit more of a fresh perspective I quit just before Wrath came out and now I am back for Cata. I started fresh with a shaman from level 1.
I STILL enjoyed leveling through the same old 1 to 60 content, I have ever been impressed with Vanilla WoW as far as the leveling and questing, had a blast.
I barely touched BC it felt, I think I went through it in two days hit Hell Fire, Zanga and Nagrand and was out of there. I still enjoyed it, but I just felt that I blasted through it real quick. That might be though because it was only 10 levels compared to the 60 I just did.
This was my frist time through Wrath so it wasn't as smooth and streamlined as the rest of my leveling because I needed to learn these zones, read quests more carefully, ect. These 10 levels were slower by far then the rest of my leveling. I have enjoyed the questing so far, some of these quests lines are very interesting, immersive, and fun.
Looking to the expansion I actually like all the changes made so far, as I said aboved I loved the existing 1-60 game but it is time for a change for sure and I am looking forward to it. I won't be starting up one of the new races, but I will be starting up a pally.
IMO though it is still end game that matters. You can do all you want to try and keep people happy while they are leveing, but from my expirience most people already are. How they will manage the end game is what I am anxious to see, and I am hoping they stay true to their philosophy of a more chalenging game. I don't have my hopes too high but it would be nice.
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Spookysheep posted:
This expansion is going to end up not being as successful as blizzard hoped.
...because of changes to loremaster, something the utterly lifeless pursue and that most people don't care about. Ok, maybe not because of that.
I dislike pretty much every game change they're making but I doubt this expansion is unsuccessful.
For one, there isn't another MMORPG even remotely close to WoW for overall good, even if they totally screw it up with cata changes. If you don't like the changes but wanna play MMORPGs, you're choices are mutilated WoW with the current failure of a dev/design team, or play another MMORPG that's 50% or less as good as WoW.
For two, WoW players won't put their money where their mouths are and stop playing, at least not in any numbers significant enough to get Blizzard's attention. People quit playing all the time. And come back. Or don't. The game's population/subs/popularity is/was still growing even at the tail end of WOTLK.
Three - a lot of WoW players are so stupid they won't even notice most changes - they probably still don't understand half of the existing game. I'm not exaggerating or anything - I encounter people in WoW that are so stupid I don't know how they manage to log on or pee unattended. This country's education system and parenting is utterly failing.
One thing that's for sure is that things will be different. I like that the old zones are getting reworked. I like leveling up toons and questing and having some freshness there is welcome.
If they had just released another expansion that was exaclty the same as all their other expansions - level a little, do dungeons a little, do heroics, do raids, same old same old then people would complain about it being more of the same.
A lot will be the same but they're shaking things up enough that it isn't going to be more of the same since the game is getting mutilated.
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Festus_Stundagin posted:
WoW drove me back to EQ.
True story.
And yet, you still come here to talk about it. Thank you- for awhile there, I think we were all quite nervous that the whining would stop.
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siujoey posted:
Festus_Stundagin posted:
WoW drove me back to EQ.
True story.
And yet, you still come here to talk about it. Thank you- for awhile there, I think we were all quite nervous that the whining would stop.
yes, the fact i quit playing daoc 6 years ago keeps me from posting on my home server forum there as well.
Go on with your bad self though mr tough poster guy.
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Festus_Stundagin posted:
WoW drove me back to EQ.
True story.
If only it had driven you back to the EQ forums. 
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Ashmaele posted:
Festus_Stundagin posted:
WoW drove me back to EQ.
True story.
If only it had driven you back to the EQ forums.
Sorry, VN doesn't host EQ forums, but sony does and I'm there much more than here lucky for you! I'll continue to shower you with posts as I see it impacts your life so adversely that it requires you wish I was gone!
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Festus_Stundagin posted:
So glad I am not playing any longer(or in Cataclysm). Some of the stupidest game decisions I've ever seen because they are too lazy to find a way to make new code work with old code, on top of the countless other changes I completely disagreed with.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass, doofus.
Why even bother posting? Did you want someone to "please don't leave"? LOL
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I'm going to start a new character and probably just play it to 60.
Maybe I'll do the Hellfire Peninsula quests, I've always liked them.
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My hunter alt is level 55 as of today.
Where does one level for the next few, now that the world has changed and the zones have different level brackets?
If someone has the information and could be so kind.
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My hunter alt is level 55 as of today.
Where does one level for the next few, now that the world has changed and the zones have different level brackets?
If someone has the information and could be so kind.
I don't know the answer, but you can try checking the dungeon finder for instances your level, and it's a good bet the zones they are in are still level appropriate.
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I tend to get sentimental so beware.
I like WoW. Pretty much always have. After playing AC for 5+ years the transition was pretty mind blowing. Yes, the graphics were different and more "cartoonish" but they were beautiful. After playing WoW since release, I still notice subtle detail in graphics I never noticed before in areas I've been in countless times. I still remember my first flight between Org and Crossroads.
Anyways, I've spent the last few days roaming the Barrens, visiting old nemesis, remembering the first time roots sprang out of the ground and held me fast, thinking about old PvP fights and such. It's kind of sad a lot of that is not gone forever but at the same time, I look forward to flying over old haunts once only accessible by ground and exploring new areas.
For me WoW is not a profession nor do I take much of anyone or anything in game that seriously. The worst that can happen is I get to attempt something again … and again … and again … until I succeed or decided to move on to something else.
WoW is a great diversion. I am a Paramedic and a Nurse. I see real life misery and pain every day. I see how unfair life can be to some people. WoW is a great release to leave some of that behind me when I have the need.
Sure, I get frustrated with game changes some times when I am comfortable with the way things are. But just like in real life, change is inevitable and we have to adapt and move on.
I am ready to move on to Cataclysm and new adventures. Just like AC, one day WoW will be old and I will be exploring a new universe but for now, bring on Deathwing.
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