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Tried the "new and improved" Wintergrasp. Frankly, it's now a complete waste of time.
I don't like the use the term Epic Fail but in this case it certainly applies. And no, I don't need to wait and see how this change "works out" to see it is a very poor solution.
Even being steam rolled was better then 7 people per side.
It would be far better to simply appear on as an opposing faction than this choice.
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Wait, you expected the B-team to do something that wasn't retarded?
At this stage, with all the colossal bugs, mistakes, and beyond retarded changes they have made, THIS is the one you didn't see coming?
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wowplayer321 posted:
Tried the "new and improved" Wintergrasp. Frankly, it's now a complete waste of time.
I don't like the use the term Epic Fail but in this case it certainly applies. And no, I don't need to wait and see how this change "works out" to see it is a very poor solution.
Even being steam rolled was better then 7 people per side.
It would be far better to simply appear on as an opposing faction than this choice.
No, it wasn't. Having to listen to the horde on our server forums talking about how much better than are, because Tenacity clearly balanced it for us. Give me a break. What was a waste of time was doing WG on the underpopulated side before now.
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Things just flipped from the under populated side being stomped to the overpopulated side having to wait in a line.
Before these changes I was almost always running around with 6-8 tenacity. Even with all the tenacity it was impossible to overcome the zerg for one reason. It offers no protection against CC. A cluster of people with raid buffs are going to rip you to pieces if you are chained stunned, feared, etc.
Now the matches have gone back to being fairly even. I like it, I hate it that people are having to wait in a line. However, I have also seen dozens of people transfer to the winning side. I understand that not everyone did that but, this kinda feels like karma to me.
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I've not done WG inmonths I'm going to have to go see what the fuss is about.
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I haven't been able to get into a single game since these retards implemented this. Alliance are not queing up, so the most I ever saw there on our side was 34.
Go B-Team, go.
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Bah the B team.... who was the idiot who first coined that term?
The fault here lays with the designers and not those implementing the vision.
Having been exposed to and in the development world for a very long time I can safely say... most businesses would be very happy to have access to a B team of developers.
That is saying a lot for a market full of outsourced go republican Indian developers who don't speak English.
Oh wait this was about how badly WG sucks now eh?
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Deionnara posted:
I haven't been able to get into a single game since these retards implemented this. Alliance are not queing up, so the most I ever saw there on our side was 34.
Go B-Team, go.
Blizzard can't make us, its not their fault. ITS YOURS. Maybe if yall let them win at least once since 4.0.1 they might still be interested in doing WG.
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Jyiiga posted:
Before these changes I was almost always running around with 6-8 tenacity. Even with all the tenacity it was impossible to overcome the zerg for one reason. It offers no protection against CC. A cluster of people with raid buffs are going to rip you to pieces if you are chained stunned, feared, etc.
The protection against CC for people with tenacity was having a couple of healers. DR kicks in very fast when you don't die to the initial salvo.
When the horde on my server (the ones who always had tenacity) actually fielded their decent players, they would slaughter us. Dps in front making a semi-circle screen, healers and vehicles behind (with a ranged dps or two to handle flankers)... serious carnage and virtually unstoppable. Only when the drivers were retards and would move their vehicles right up to the walls (or even worse, the doorway walls) would the vehicles get picked off and the advance would be seriously slowed down. The smart ones just leave the vehicles in back, protect them, and shell the walls down one at a time.
It would always crack me up when the noob horde were playing... 10 of them would pile into a bunch of siege tanks and demos, ride up to a wall, all the vehicles get blown up, and then those 10 horde would slaughter alliance in the area for the next 5-10 minutes. If they just kept one vehicle back pounding away at the wall, they would've made so much more progress.
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What you expect with crappy rewards? That someone is going to bother? Not really.
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huldu posted:
What you expect with crappy rewards? That someone is going to bother? Not really.
Truth. Running WG right now is completely pointless for any reason outside of wanting to kill people. 16 honor per weekly? Really?
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I was doing it for the win credits to get the achievement, it's not looking like that is going to happen now.
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heiromancerdrackus posted:
huldu posted:
What you expect with crappy rewards? That someone is going to bother? Not really.
Truth. Running WG right now is completely pointless for any reason outside of wanting to kill people. 16 honor per weekly? Really?
Yeah, I wtf'd when I saw the quests rewarding 16 honor....the old system was like 4k per quest, yeah?
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I like the change, on my server multiple horde guilds cooperate to keep WG, even when we have 30 to 40 people we were always outnumbered my a large amount. At least now we can earn the buff and right to enter VOA.
However, nothing excuses the rewards of BGs and such... the honor rewards are far to low to make it worthwhile.
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As I said in another post, I ope this encourages horde to faction change back to alliance. A lot of people hopped on the horde bandwagon and in most servers the population is grossly lopsided on horde's favor.
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Anything other than getting your character to 80 is a waste of time at this point. Heck even that is a waste of time.
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Here is my solution:
Add a 50% player population variance with tenacity.
What do I mean?
Allow up to a 50% difference in numbers and balance that with a small buff on the short side.
The goal here is to allow more people to get in and play, while still keeping things relatively even.
So if you have 20 people on X side, Y side could have 50% more for a total of 30 people and the X side people would get a small buff to help even that out.
The main problem I have now is that barely anybody gets in to play, and that really sucks, more than being rolled ever did.
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An escalating system would've worked well. Every time the loser side loses, they'll get more tenacity and a better player ratio the next time through. And there should be some sort of carrot reward for winning WG after not having won it for a while, to entice people to play - kinda like an honor jackpot or something that just keeps building up until a group wins and claims it.
But this current system is horrible. I really hope they toss it soon and say, "well that was lame, let's try something else."
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The problem now is this:
We have an area designed for 100 vs 100 combat, reduced to 5 vs 5, because only 5 people from one side queue...
So, what this has done is exclude about 90% of the players, in order to provide "balance" for 5% of the players....
It's the tail wagging the dog, it is ignorant, and it is very unpopular.
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Spookysheep posted:
Wait, you expected the B-team to do something that wasn't retarded?
At this stage, with all the colossal bugs, mistakes, and beyond retarded changes they have made, THIS is the one you didn't see coming?
Your mentioning retarded eminds me of a quote I saw "The T key is altogether too close to the G key on the keyboard as I was recently made aware of. Consequently I will never again send business email ending with Regards."
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lol 7 on 7 might be fun I'm not sure like everyone else said it's pointless to even que for WG right now so I guess we will have to wait and see how it works.
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I don't know the answer, but turning Wintergrasp into a huge outdoor instance is kinda the suck.
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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
I don't know the answer, but turning Wintergrasp into a huge outdoor instance is kinda the suck.
I wonder if drawing from multiple servers would work? At least it would get the epic back into the battle, this over sized WSG 10 vs 10 type of match is just sad.
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LlarioLostdoggie posted:
Spookysheep posted:
Wait, you expected the B-team to do something that wasn't retarded?
At this stage, with all the colossal bugs, mistakes, and beyond retarded changes they have made, THIS is the one you didn't see coming?
Your mentioning retarded eminds me of a quote I saw "The T key is altogether too close to the G key on the keyboard as I was recently made aware of. Consequently I will never again send business email ending with Regards."
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I love the change. If you can't get in, tough for you. I play both factions on the server where my toons are. I knew what it was like to see horde roll in, demolish everything in sight, and spend the final 8-10 minutes of a match blasting the alliance starting area.
Where is the fun or balance in that?
Now, most of the matches are very tight. (That's what she said!)
Would you like it every time you went to WSG it was 10-vs-2? Or 15-vs-4 in AB?
Forget the "open world" PvP zone nonsense. Blizzard never will get that right. Wintergrasp is a battleground just like all the others. Tenacity was a totally unworkable solution (unless, perhaps, they decided to give tanks the same level of tenacity as the players). As it was, you could be under dog playing with 15 tenacity, but because you HAVE to have tanks to win, you have no chance at all.
I have been in matches on both sides since the patch and they are a LOT more fun. So you can't get in? Sucks for you. Roll a toon on another faction.
It's no different than other BG queues. On the horde side folks have to wait 10-15 minutes for random BGs, on alliance it's instant (on the realm I play on).
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Except WG only pops every two hours....which shows you know nothing about the WG queue.
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Grimlik posted:
Bah the B team.... who was the idiot who first coined that term?
The fault here lays with the designers and not those implementing the vision.
Having been exposed to and in the development world for a very long time I can safely say... most businesses would be very happy to have access to a B team of developers.
That is saying a lot for a market full of outsourced go republican Indian developers who don't speak English.
Oh wait this was about how badly WG sucks now eh?
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