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I've been playing my Priest recently and as a result I have somewhat neglected my Pally... I originally got him to a decent level in terms of tanking and played around a little with a healing offspec, which I was pretty poor at.

Anyway, after reading a thread on here and a couple of the forums, I thought I would try healing in PVP again... bear in mind I am in a mix of lvl232 gear, two piece furious and offset relentless/wrathful, a PVE weapon and the Gladiator shield - unkillable 1 vs 1, almost unkillable 2 vs 1... last a damn long time 3 vs 1 - I couldn't kill anything...

I actually made a difference in all the BG's I played (despite poor gear) - several times a rogue jumped me or I got targeted by ranged, in previous situations I would have been destroyed, but I just ignored them for the most part and continued healing others, with all the self heals I didn't even have to worry about the incoming damage on myself.

I really liked the way this worked... I couldn't do much else, but I felt like a healing god! Was it OP'd... perhaps, but then I couldn't kill anything and that was the sacrifice. Two well played char's were able to kill me once or twice (I say well played because they chain CC'd me) and I obviously went down when I went OOM.

I can't help but think Pally arena teams will be unstoppable unless things change - my Disc priest is nowhere near as powerful in PVP.

 

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Will change in Cat when healing spells don't crit for 80% of your health every cast.

 

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Talehon69 posted:
Will change in Cat when healing spells don't crit for 80% of your health every cast.



Im sure everything will change in Cat and I would be surprised if Pallys don't get tooled by the nerf bat... But, taking your comment in isolation of any other changes... I would find it hard to imagine that they will scale DPS without scaling healing.

So whilst we will have substantially bigger health pools and take a bit more damage, we will also heal for considerably more. If they do scale Healing in line with DPS then it will make Pallys even more unkillable since you will waste less Healing on overheal and will have more margin for error - at the moment, CC and burst seems the only way to effectively take down a holy Pally 1 vs 1 and with an increased healh pool the burst element goes away.

I'm not arguing, because neither of us know exactly what will happen in the future. But I would find it surprising if healing doesn't scale with DPS.

 

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Try fighting and ele shammy right now..

yuk.

 

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GutterSludge posted:
Try fighting and ele shammy right now..

yuk.




Ive had a few problems with them on my priest- but then my priest is very badly geared for PVP and I have problems with everything. I haven't experienced one on my pally yet, but I will be interested to find out how I fare... I had a frost mage and hunter unable to kill me for about 2mins in EOTS while I stopped them from picking up the flag. They managed to kill me on an seperate occasions, but only with good use of brain freeze (I think thats the spell) and Iceblock arrow which stopped me from healing.


 

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Hornet_MT posted:
Talehon69 posted:
Will change in Cat when healing spells don't crit for 80% of your health every cast.



Im sure everything will change in Cat and I would be surprised if Pallys don't get tooled by the nerf bat... But, taking your comment in isolation of any other changes... I would find it hard to imagine that they will scale DPS without scaling healing.

So whilst we will have substantially bigger health pools and take a bit more damage, we will also heal for considerably more. If they do scale Healing in line with DPS then it will make Pallys even more unkillable since you will waste less Healing on overheal and will have more margin for error - at the moment, CC and burst seems the only way to effectively take down a holy Pally 1 vs 1 and with an increased healh pool the burst element goes away.

I'm not arguing, because neither of us know exactly what will happen in the future. But I would find it surprising if healing doesn't scale with DPS.




Watch any of the videos from the Beta as of the past couple weeks/months. The low-cost heals right now crit for upwards of 10-12k, which is close to 30% of a DPS's total health pool and around 10-15% of a Tanks, in Cataclysm its closer to 10-15% of a DPS and 5-10% of a Tanks. Big heals will heal for something like 25% of a tanks total health pool and cost a rather large amount of mana. Cataclysm isn't going to be the spamfest of healing that Wrath was, and mana WILL be an issue. You won't be able to top off tanks with 2 spells.

 

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Watch any of the videos from the Beta as of the past couple weeks/months. The low-cost heals right now crit for upwards of 10-12k, which is close to 30% of a DPS's total health pool and around 10-15% of a Tanks, in Cataclysm its closer to 10-15% of a DPS and 5-10% of a Tanks. Big heals will heal for something like 25% of a tanks total health pool and cost a rather large amount of mana. Cataclysm isn't going to be the spamfest of healing that Wrath was, and mana WILL be an issue. You won't be able to top off tanks with 2 spells.


I agree, 1-2 heals won't top a person off... but assuming the size of the heals scale in line with the DPS - then my original point still stands!

MY HP could be 10k or 100k, if DPS does 1k per hit and I do 5k heals or in the later situation the DPS does 3k per hit and I do 15k per heal... as long as the correlation between DPS and HPS remains constant, healers in PVP will be better off assumming HPS is greater than DPS (at least until they run out of mana).

Of course, this will probably mean that the only way to kill a healer is watch his mana run out... which for a pally with Word of Glory and Divine Plea, is going to be a LONG time with a much bigger health/mana pool!






 

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Hornet_MT posted:
Talehon69 posted:

Watch any of the videos from the Beta as of the past couple weeks/months. The low-cost heals right now crit for upwards of 10-12k, which is close to 30% of a DPS's total health pool and around 10-15% of a Tanks, in Cataclysm its closer to 10-15% of a DPS and 5-10% of a Tanks. Big heals will heal for something like 25% of a tanks total health pool and cost a rather large amount of mana. Cataclysm isn't going to be the spamfest of healing that Wrath was, and mana WILL be an issue. You won't be able to top off tanks with 2 spells.


I agree, 1-2 heals won't top a person off... but assuming the size of the heals scale in line with the DPS - then my original point still stands!

MY HP could be 10k or 100k, if DPS does 1k per hit and I do 5k heals or in the later situation the DPS does 3k per hit and I do 15k per heal... as long as the correlation between DPS and HPS remains constant, healers in PVP will be better off assumming HPS is greater than DPS (at least until they run out of mana).

Of course, this will probably mean that the only way to kill a healer is watch his mana run out... which for a pally with Word of Glory and Divine Plea, is going to be a LONG time with a much bigger health/mana pool!









Enjoy it now whille you can. Your hypothesis is no where near what actually occurs at 85, at least as far as beta has shown. Your big heals will run you oom in 30 - 45 seconds at most. You will not be spamming anything.

 

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Aya, that was what I was saying, but he's just not listening tongue


They're going with an entirely new approach to healing and damage output in Cataclysm.

 

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