heiromancerdrackus posted:

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All DPS classes lost their passive threat reduction and your AE threat generation took a slight dive. People have to wait a few seconds before DPSing again, its that simple.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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I thought you should always wait a couple seconds before DPS'ing.. this changed at some point?

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Isn't Warrior the only Worgan/Tank class? I think they'll get some love if they need it.

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Spookysheep posted:

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No waiting.

There will, quite literally, be millions of worgen death knights on launch day.

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heiromancerdrackus posted:

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--Syrus-- posted:

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I thought you should always wait a couple seconds before DPS'ing.. this changed at some point?

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With Wrath and its AE-a-thon.

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Voqar posted:

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/hands Cawlin a hankie

I have 3 tanks and I've had to adjust with all of them and couldn't stand the changes at all at first. I still really don't like tanking on my DK much - their threat got mugged the worst and being forced to tank in a whacko blood spec after being frost forever sucks.

Of all the tank trees the warrior prot tree crushes. It's ridiculously packed with goodness so whining about warriors at this point is pretty silly. Every warrior player I know who sees the new prot tree wets themselves with glee and is going back to tanking - or at least talking crap about doing so. The number of people willing to tank these days seems lower than ever. Warriors can put out as much AE threat as any other tank these days - which all around is much less.

I've been telling dps in raids and even 5-mans to pay attention to omen and wake the hell up since they can't just unload everything 0.1 seconds after the tank pulls but most aren't getting it yet. Watching a few fights from corpse form ought to help with that.

I really have zero desire to suffer thru 2 hour instances that require meticulous pulling and CCing. Requiring CC here and there is great and putting some thought and strategy into instances is great but most instances have large volumes of repetitive trash and wading thru it forever is not my idea of fun.

Plus, you have millions playing WoW, most of whom can't form a coherent sentence and make morons look intelligent, all of whom have been trained to faceroll in a game that gets dumbed down and easier with every patch. And NOW they're going to make instances harder?

Fine with me, I have a clue - but the 90% of players who can barely figure out how to queue for randoms are going to be utterly screwed.

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Voqar posted:

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/hands Cawlin a hankie

I have 3 tanks and I've had to adjust with all of them and couldn't stand the changes at all at first. I still really don't like tanking on my DK much - their threat got mugged the worst and being forced to tank in a whacko blood spec after being frost forever sucks.

Of all the tank trees the warrior prot tree crushes. It's ridiculously packed with goodness so whining about warriors at this point is pretty silly. Every warrior player I know who sees the new prot tree wets themselves with glee and is going back to tanking - or at least talking crap about doing so. The number of people willing to tank these days seems lower than ever. Warriors can put out as much AE threat as any other tank these days - which all around is much less.

I've been telling dps in raids and even 5-mans to pay attention to omen and wake the hell up since they can't just unload everything 0.1 seconds after the tank pulls but most aren't getting it yet. Watching a few fights from corpse form ought to help with that.

I really have zero desire to suffer thru 2 hour instances that require meticulous pulling and CCing. Requiring CC here and there is great and putting some thought and strategy into instances is great but most instances have large volumes of repetitive trash and wading thru it forever is not my idea of fun.

Plus, you have millions playing WoW, most of whom can't form a coherent sentence and make morons look intelligent, all of whom have been trained to faceroll in a game that gets dumbed down and easier with every patch. And NOW they're going to make instances harder?

Fine with me, I have a clue - but the 90% of players who can barely figure out how to queue for randoms are going to be utterly screwed.

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Voqar posted:

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I really have zero desire to suffer thru 2 hour instances that require meticulous pulling and CCing. Requiring CC here and there is great and putting some thought and strategy into instances is great but most instances have large volumes of repetitive trash and wading thru it forever is not my idea of fun.

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Voqar posted:

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Plus, you have millions playing WoW, most of whom can't form a coherent sentence and make morons look intelligent, all of whom have been trained to faceroll in a game that gets dumbed down and easier with every patch. And NOW they're going to make instances harder?

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Voqar posted:

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Fine with me, I have a clue - but the 90% of players who can barely figure out how to queue for randoms are going to be utterly screwed.

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Auenwing posted:

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@ OP:


just occurred to me, you might want to wander over to Tankspot and see what they've got to say.

I know on my pally, and several other prot pallies I've talked with, that we are having to make trade-offs in our talent trees (single target tps, ae tps, raid support and self-healing). And that we are also having to adjust and that DPS needs to go back to pre-WotLK group aggro management in AoE situations. I look for serious discussions / material on Maintankadin.


If you want a serious discussion about talent trees / glyphs, etcetera for warriors, perhaps Tankspot would be the place to go.

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Ashmaele posted:

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Did my warrior get smacked with the nerfbat?

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_Kewk_ posted:

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Ashmaele posted:

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Did my warrior get smacked with the nerfbat?

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Yes, Warriors and Pally tanks now have to work a bit more to do the same job they used to do.

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Cawlin posted:

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_Kewk_ posted:

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Ashmaele posted:

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Did my warrior get smacked with the nerfbat?

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Yes, Warriors and Pally tanks now have to work a bit more to do the same job they used to do.

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But dude, the warrior prot tree CRUSHES! All warriors are switching to tanks now (even though tanks are actually getting more scarce).

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chaddlock posted:

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If people have access to equally geared, not that it matter too much w/ the new gear inc, plate tanks... which would you choose? I have been playing my warrior since BC and I am not sure if I like the playstyle anymore. Hes been my main but I have an 80 pally and I can get my DK up quickly. The pros I see about the 85 warrior are the crit block late in the game, like 4.3.x, but early end game it seems like the DK/pally might be more powerful and fun to play. Thoughts?

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Auenwing posted:

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chaddlock posted:

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If people have access to equally geared, not that it matter too much w/ the new gear inc, plate tanks... which would you choose? I have been playing my warrior since BC and I am not sure if I like the playstyle anymore. Hes been my main but I have an 80 pally and I can get my DK up quickly. The pros I see about the 85 warrior are the crit block late in the game, like 4.3.x, but early end game it seems like the DK/pally might be more powerful and fun to play. Thoughts?

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Are you planning to go "hardcore" raiding? I ask that because many people give up playing what is "fun" and pick up the "gets the job done" class du jour for the job that raiding can become. Although with the current homogenized direction, it seems Blizz finally figured out this might have been part of costing the game tanks. I digress.


The advice I have handed out for over 10 years now is: play what you love. And play the class that best fits you and your playstyle. You will make it work much better than anything else.

It's a game. Go have fun!

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Auenwing posted:

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chaddlock posted:

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If people have access to equally geared, not that it matter too much w/ the new gear inc, plate tanks... which would you choose? I have been playing my warrior since BC and I am not sure if I like the playstyle anymore. Hes been my main but I have an 80 pally and I can get my DK up quickly. The pros I see about the 85 warrior are the crit block late in the game, like 4.3.x, but early end game it seems like the DK/pally might be more powerful and fun to play. Thoughts?

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Are you planning to go "hardcore" raiding? I ask that because many people give up playing what is "fun" and pick up the "gets the job done" class du jour for the job that raiding can become. Although with the current homogenized direction, it seems Blizz finally figured out this might have been part of costing the game tanks. I digress.


The advice I have handed out for over 10 years now is: play what you love. And play the class that best fits you and your playstyle. You will make it work much better than anything else.

It's a game. Go have fun!

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Meh, I appreciate the sentiment, but this only goes so far. This is the reason why there are so few healers and even fewer tanks. It is always going to be more fun to just smash and blast away as a DPS class then to take on some responsibility and sit back and heal or be up there an tank.

That is why there are a million rogue/hunter/warlock, ect..

Sure there is the aspect that the tank/healer classes require more skill so many players opt for the easier choice, but as we all see on a day to day basis, there are many players who still choose a tank class despite their lack of skill...

I want to be a good tank class because I want the responsibility, I do find that fun, but I am sure I'd have more fun over all if I was a Warlock and just sat there and blasted away, but then.. there are a million of those already.

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--Syrus-- posted:

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Auenwing,

I hope you didn't read any sarcasm or negativity in my response to you, none was intended, its hard to tell someones tone through their posts sometimes so I just wanted to be clear there. I do totally agree with you in the sense that if you are trying to 'force' a certain class because the forums told you it was the best, it is just never going to feel right and you'll eventually just quit it possibly with out even realizing why.

Either way I think I may have taken your post out of context since it was intended to refer to the 3 tank classes and not Dps/Heal/Tank in general.

Since you brought up PvP I'll ask this question, which of the 3 tank spec's do you think doubles as a great PvP class?

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Ashmaele posted:

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I think the answer to the question posed in the threat title is a resounding, "YES."

I'm seriously considering deleting. It's a shame...I really liked the class and I've played nothing but warrior since I switched to horde, but this is ridiculous.

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