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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
Especially considering it happens AFTER the resolution of the book. Obviously he isn't going to kill off Dresden a dozen books before the end of the series. Why does this upset everyone? It's just a cheeky mini cliffhanger for the next book.

I doubt Butcher will completely cop out and have him not die so we will probably get a book with Dresden in the afterlife; either as a ghost or in some afterlife dimension and in the end he will come back by whatever means and maybe even slip Mab's clutches.

I was expecting some sort of Earth shattering cliffhanger and all I got was a cute lead-in for the next novel.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
yeah i think the butcher hate is a bit much over this. i did swear like a sailor when it ended but its not like i held a grudge lol. lots of people have said they'll never read another one because of this ending and i just don't understand it.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
If he had died in the fight with the Red Court and it ended mid conflict I would be pissed but this is so obviously just a lead-in for the next book.

I doubt anyone who said they will never read another book will hold to their guns. if it effected them that profoundly the only emotion they will feel a year from now will be curiosity.

I just hope the Murphy story he is releasing has lots of post Harry death drama from all interested parties.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
if you want some real fun go read the 1 star reviews on amazon for it. the hate is hilarious tongue

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
Meh, the first ten one star reviews I came across were people crying about the kindle pricing.

I can't fathom rating a book low because I am butt-hurt over the pricing of one of its formats not being on sale like the other.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
thats just sad. the kindle price is still 2 dollars lower than what the publishers are pushing for as a minimum. people aren't going to be happy until authors and musicians make no money for their work at all apparently.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
I think its funny that Amazons aggressive pricing on popular hardbacks is starting to bite them in the ass as people begin to expect it and get get pissed when it isn't there.

I was happy to pay $13 for my Nook version because the hardback in $18 in the civilized world.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
18 is pretty low for the hardcover too. the problem is walmart, amazon and target all started selling for penny profits on new hardcovers a while ago and have since progressed to selling alot of new releases for a loss which is ignorant but i guess they all want to be the winner of the price war. the casualty in this is the bookstores who generally got the books for 40-50% off retail and then sold the book for 10-20% off retail making their take on a book 20-30% of the cover price. their entire industry was based on those figures and when the megastores and amazon got in on it and forced them to try and compete it killed a large chunk of their income which is why bookstores keep going under. they're at the point now where the big three are selling books for up to a 10 dollars less than they can buy them direct from the distributors for. the entire industry has been essentially turned upside down and destroyed by the price wars. the fed should already be involved because it violates antitrust laws but so far nothing has happened and the disturbing reasoning behind that is payoffs from the megacorps to look the other way. the whole thing is a disgusting mess and at the rate things are going people will be damned lucky if there are any real bookstores left in another 10 to 20 years.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
The ending came out of nowhere for me, I was just stoked that he was finally getting with Murphy rofl

I liked it though, makes me super pumped up for the next one, I think it's hilarious how riled up people are getting about it though, doesn't make any sense to me

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
I too was pissed, but only cause he was finally going to go on a true date with Murphy. I have a feeling that this is going to make her actually take up the sword though.

We I read it, my response was...."Jim, you bastard!" and that was only cause I have to wait for the next one to come out.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
i can't post my response here its so colorful tongue

and yeah its a bummer their "date" never happened because it does seem long overdue for them. i also thought that this is going to cause murphy to take up the sword too.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
Screw Butcher.

The books always stood alone. That was one of the best things about them.

To cop out and make a stupid cliff hanger crapfest now pisses me off. He doesn't need to do it, it didn't add to the enjoyment of the book, it didn't add to the story...it was just a cheap gimmick and I hate gimmicks.

You can excuse him if you want.

I'll stick with expressing my extreme displeasure at him for such a shitey ploy. Don't do it again bitch. Write a god damn book, make it interesting, we all know you can, don't sink to stupidity to get people to read your next one. You don't need too. Millions of us are doing so to every book you write.

Idiot.

Books tell a story. They don't tell part of it. That's why "urban fantasy" caught on so fast and has pushed just about every other kind of fantasy off the shelves lately. You don't have to wait 5 years and buy 3 books to get one god damn story.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
He didn't leave a cliffhanger.

Changes did exactly what you want. It had a complete, fully contained story. All of the conflict in the book is resolved before the end of the book. Dresden has solved all of the problems before the last chapter.

Butcher didn't write a cliffhanger to try and con people who have read his last 12 books in to reading 13. He didn't cut the story off before the climax to torture you for a year. You freaking know that Dresden isn't going to be dead and gone so why does it bother you? All he did was write an intrigue that hints at the next book.

The end of Changes has created zero anxiety in me and it certainly isn't tricking me in to buying the next book. All it does is make me think about the implications; I have considered who could have done it, what the next book will be about and how the resolution of the next book with effect Dresden's ties to various people. If you think that is a bad thing then I don't understand why you enjoy books to begin with.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
Why even argue with him at this point Yos?  He's obviously not comfortable reading anything except stories like goosebumps or other young adult books.

 

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Subject: So, I finally read 'Changes' and I think you people are really overreacting. (SPOILERS)
Ptilk posted:

Books tell a story. They don't tell part of it.


I'm pretty sure that in every one of his books, he's left plots and themes that he's picked up on in the following books. Were you upset with him for not finding the Black Council in the first book he coined the term? Or not fulfilling Mab's three requests in the book she forced them on him? How about being annoyed that he didn't take out the entire Red Court when Bianca died? I'd say that the narrator "dying" in a first-person story is on par with Dresden starting a war in one book, or Thomas turning back to the White Court at the end of the previous book. These aren't cliffhangers, they're part of an overall plot.

 

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