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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
he's got a what for a what?!

I knew T was important cause he was just too nice to Dresden in the other books and way in his corner all the time. but lol

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
Was I supposed to be able to decipher that?

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
yes!

Dresden 6 was about vampires, which vampire in that series has a name that starts with T and was always in Dresden's corner in the other books?

hrmm hint: It's a white Court.

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
After a dozen books what happens when is a complete blur. He has lots of whats who are what.

Also, you suck at disguising spoilers. Just put 'spoilers' then say what you mean, kthx.

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
lol I'm too lazy to edit my title :P

fine! MAN PICKY PICKY!

Thomas the white court vamp is Dresden's half brother. Did not see that, though I mean I saw him being a good guy and important cause he kept showing up and always being in Dresden's corner no matter what was happening.

 

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I'm not a real big fan of Thomas. I suppose the character gives Dresden an effective side kick that enhances some of the books but the actual character bugs me.

There is paradigm shifts in a later book that I won't talk about which makes me even more annoyed with him. Really, I prefer Lara to Thomas, of course, that is probably only natural.

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
I just watched an interview with Butcher he gave sometime in April I think. In it he mentions that he originally intended the series to go to 20 books with a "big apocalyptic trilogy at the end." He then says he's running long and the events of book 12 were slated to actually be book 10 so he's now predicting 21 or 22 in the series with the trilogy at the end.

I'm loving the series so far, but I don't know if I have the stamina for 9 more books and a trilogy. lol

First video in the interview series (long interview)

The video where he mentions the series intended length.

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
I finished book 7 the next day.

T-rex Zombie named Sue ftw.

lol.

Problem I had with Book 7, It talks about ghosts as if they WERE the souls of people. Which contradicts the earlier books where ghosts were actually merely impressions in the nevernever.

 

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I loved the series, but will never read another book in it due to the craptacular "ending" of the latest one.

Screw you Butcher. Seriously. I fricken hate you almost as much as that dead guy who spent 7 books talking about hair styles in order to sell more books, then died before he finished the god damn story...which almost no one gives a damn about anymore after slopping thru endless books about god damn hair styles.

DIACF.

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
lol...he throws one cliffhanger ending at you and you can't deal with it?

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
I have decided that you people are all over-reacting so I am going to read the book.

I have always felt like Butcher and I thought along similar lines because his books always take the turns I expect them to. I am sure upon reading it I will be able to clear things up for everyone.

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
What was so bad about the ending of "Turn Coat"? It seemed to follow the line of most of his endings, really. Dresden manages to win, but with personal cost.

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
Lyndrek posted:
I finished book 7 the next day.

T-rex Zombie named Sue ftw.

lol.

Problem I had with Book 7, It talks about ghosts as if they WERE the souls of people. Which contradicts the earlier books where ghosts were actually merely impressions in the nevernever.


First, T-Rex Sue was cool...T-Rex Bob was much cooler tongue .

Anyway, I believe that around book 5 or 6 Dresden starts delving into what the "soul" is more and more and with the added details, which differ greatly than your standard Christian definition of soul, Dresden starts to see ghosts more along his new understanding of what the Dresdenverse version of the soul is.

 

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Finally finished Changes. As cliffhangers go, it wasn't much of one really. If he had done that to one of the other characters, say Murphy for instance, it would have had much more effect. My reasoning is that it's called the "Dresden Files" and since the series is supposed to go to 20+ books I'm fairly sure he finds a way back (unless they plan on having a 7 year old girl pick up the series....in which case I'd be done with the series, but I digress). And as for the woman's voice, there are only 2 women in the entire series that would actually say those words to him. 1. Lea 2. his Mother. It would be out of character for any of the other main women in the series to say something like that imo.

 

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I was shocked at how tiny it was as far as cliffhangers go. I would argue that it really isn't a cliffhanger at all. It happens after the resolution of the conflict and it happens to the main protagonist. It is nothing but a cheeky lead in to the next book in the series.

 

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It's a bullshite "you have to read the next book" tactic that pisses me off.

Either tell the whole story you have in one book, or be another "milk this crap till I die and everyone hates me" Robert Jordan type of writer.

Your choice.

You can be one or the other.

Cheap, financially motivated, pathetic crap is still crap....even if all the other assholes you like to read do it too.

 

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Subject: I read Dresden 5 and 6 on saturday. (spoilers cause Yoss said I should.)
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It's a bullshite "you have to read the next book" tactic that pisses me off.

Either tell the whole story you have in one book, or be another "milk this crap till I die and everyone hates me" Robert Jordan type of writer.

Your choice.

You can be one or the other.

Cheap, financially motivated, pathetic crap is still crap....even if all the other assholes you like to read do it too.




What crap. really, do you honestly believe this crap you write? Where has he shown anywhere that he is all about the money grab? His Codex Alera series, he said 5 books. it went 5 books. Dresden, he has said it will go 20+ books. He's at 12. If you have seriously followed the series from book one, why would you care about a cliffhanger, you are almost guaranteed you are gonna keep reading regardless.

 

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Ptilk needs to stick with young adult books I"m thinking.  Cliffhangers have been part and parcel to adventure detective series since adventure detective series have existed. MrBean is absolutely correct, this is very NOT a money grab as anyone who read this far in the series was already going to buy the next book anyway. It was far more likely that this was a tribute to the old detective cliffhanger pulp series. Butcher is all about references, homage, and tributes. All his books are filled to the brim with them.

 

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Like they've already said, if you are already reading book 12 he doesn't have to con you in to book 13. It was a cute cliffhanger to give the readers something to mull over until the next book comes out.

Though, I do think Butcher is a money grubbing bastard. If only the Dresden books had moved to that over-sized more expensive paperback I would blame the publisher (not to mention other authors from said publisher), but both of his series use those stupid things and the series are from different publishers. I blame him.

I don't even care about the price, I care about the different size books on my shelf. I will pay $10 for a normal size paperback if it's really that bloody important to him.

 

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Like they've already said, if you are already reading book 12 he doesn't have to con you in to book 13. It was a cute cliffhanger to give the readers something to mull over until the next book comes out.

Though, I do think Butcher is a money grubbing bastard. If only the Dresden books had moved to that over-sized more expensive paperback I would blame the publisher (not to mention other authors from said publisher), but both of his series use those stupid things and the series are from different publishers. I blame him.

I don't even care about the price, I care about the different size books on my shelf. I will pay $10 for a normal size paperback if it's really that bloody important to him.


I don't really care about that since I don't own a single book of his. I've been doing the audio books of this series read by Marsters. These are the first books I've actually listened to and I only did that because my wife got addicted to listening to them and made me listen to them with her tongue .

But even if I was reading this series I don't think the book format change is a money grab, sure profit was a consideration, but I don't think it was purely based on that. I'd look at it as a combination of money preservation due to the influx of readers (nook, kindle, and now iPad) and the loss of money from people just downloading them. Look at the time frame for the series, all the readers came out pretty near the mid point of release and that's about the time the format of the books changed as well.

 

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